HAL pushes for AESA Equipped LCA Tejas Mark I-A (LCA-1P) as interim improved version of Mark I

[punit]

You are being realistic but some people (read fools) won't get it. It is hilarious to see their loyalty towards PSUs and DRDO when these worthless organisations did nothing but hold back Indian defence industry.

from 1947 to 1990 india was held back by same money swindling PSUs and Inspector Raj ! thankfully things changed after 1990. But Defense sector is still stuck in pre -Liberalization mode !

 

[Indian Patriot]

from 1947 to 1990 india was held back by same money swindling PSUs and Inspector Raj ! thankfully things changed after 1990. But Defense sector is still stuck in pre -Liberalization mode !

And we have some troll bots who are willing to troll and die in defense of these PSUs. Not a SINGLE worthwile contribution has ever been made by these PSUs.

 

[punit]

And we have some troll bots who are willing to troll and die in defense of these PSUs. Not a SINGLE worthwile contribution has ever been made by these PSUs.

just imagine depending on a single govt PSU BSNL for all ur Mobile/internet use and compare it with the plight of our armed forces !

 

[Argon Prime]

If it is DRDO then it will be at least 15-20 years before it is functional.

This ain't necessarily true,especially when we are talking about radars.DRDO,or LRDE to be precise,has developed a range of ground based and airborne high and medium powered AESA radars,that have gone into production.The biggest problem is,that there is not even a single semi conductor fab in India,which means the chips for TRMMs can not be produced in India.But that's hardly DRDO's fault.

It was Bofors who won the Kargil war. Even if it is agreed that the range is 38 km for dhanush then there are also other factors like accuracy, rate of fire, mobility, reliability etc.

There is no ifs or buts,the Dhanush is better than the Orginal FH 77B in all parameters including range,automation,target acquisition and engagement - you just name it.

And even if, and I say IF, dhanush is better than an 80s era gun like bofors then how does it stack up against Denel, Pegasus etc.?

Well,apart from range,the Dhanush fairs favourably with contemporary towed artillery systems.But Dhanush was never intended to become a substitute for modern L/52 guns in any way.Rather,it was always meant to be a stop gap,an upgrade for existing FH 77Bs and M 46 field guns,which would them supplement the imported guns and ARDE ATAGS.

And what is its mobility like in comparison to T-90?

The Arjun MkI has greater mobility compared to the T90S,owing to the former's higher power to mass ratio and lower ground pressure per square inch.

What is its power-to-weight ration?

Dude,why are you even asking this question to another,when you could find it out all by yourself??Just divide the engine hp by overall mass of the vehicle.

The gun has a 500 mm penetration at what range? How does it compare with the guns of T-90, Leo 2?

The range is same 2 km as is the norm worldwide,which by the way would be considered average at best and substandard at worst.But then,this round was developed way back in the late 80s and it was very good for that time.But the problem is,the round was never changed with time,due to the uncertainty of the project.It's only recently,the ARDE has started to develop a new long rod multi segmented round,which should be closer to more modern rounds..............lets see how it turns out.

Full auto is not the problem, problem is the weapon jamming when fired in full auto. Google for what double feeding means. Trichy assault rifle has full auto and it jams before the magazine could be emptied. This is the quality of PSU.

Fair enough,but how is that DRDO's fault??They are not the ones,manufacturing the rifles after all.

Funny that the DRDO fan boys defend lack of INSAS auto capability by saying automatic fire is obsolete but at the same time they also say excalibur is superior because it has auto fire option.

I do not know who said that,but that statement isn't right.Full auto mode is not obsolete by any stretch of imagination but it's needed only in some very specific scenarios like CQB. At medium range,the full auto mode is not and should not be used for a multitude of reasons.For example,no one can control the rifles at full auto,and besides,it eats up ammo real fast and all which you already know.
Then there were instances when soldiers had expended all their ammo under stress during Vietnam war,so that's why the triple fire burst mode was invented and specified by the armies,including Indian Army.
And by the way,developing the burst fire mode involves more complex engineering than developing the full auto.

Nothing would be better than naxals being wiped out but the paramilitary is not equipped to face the ak-47 armed naxals.

And who's fault is that??INSAS was strictly developed as per the GSQR issued by the Army,who wanted a rifle design for conventional warfare,to take precise shots at standard battle ranges over open terrain.It was practically never built for COIN ops,just as its predecessor - SLR.

 

[Indian Patriot]

just imagine depending on a single govt PSU BSNL for all ur Mobile/internet use and compare it with the plight of our armed forces !

These troll bots would want the best of foreign maal for themselves but have a problem when the military does the same. Why would anybody even buy the INSAS?

 

[Argon Prime]

These troll bots would want the best of foreign maal for themselves but have a problem when the military does the same. Why would anybody even buy the INSAS?

Simply because under Rs 30K a piece,that's the best assault rifle you can get your hands on.On the other hand,if you have a deep enough pocket to pay 200k per piece,then you can get something in the line of TAR 21,sadly that's not the case.

 

[mad_max]

Simply because under Rs 30K a piece,that's the best assault rifle you can get your hands on.On the other hand,if you have a deep enough pocket to pay 200k per piece,then you can get something in the line of TAR 21,sadly that's not the case.

So you are willing to risk your soldiers life to save money is it ?

 

[Argon Prime]

So you are willing to risk your soldiers life to save money is it ?

Dude!!Do you really think that I had anything to do with the GSQR of the INSAS rifles - of course it's the Army that did it!!It's the Army and MoD that had specified the intended figure per piece.Because,back in those days,we are far too poorer to be able to afford something costlier and that's all we could spare.Is it that hard to comprehend??

 

[HariPrasad]

But many ballast allover the body will be removed with appropriate realignment so over all load shed will happen ...But we need to look for tweaking F404 if we are going for 80 more MK1 ... This engine is very underpowered .

Engine is not under powered. Slashing the 800 KG weight shall push the T/W ration by 14%. If you further improve the engine integration and resolve air intake problem and push the AOA beyond 30* than certainly this plane can emerge as one of the very potent fighter. I think gripen c uses the same engine and deliver much better performance inspite being 300 KG heavier. We should consider increasing the length also. This plane does mach 1.6. It may do 1.8 Mach with the improvements I proposed. HAP should be ordered to make MK1+ within 2 years as they promises.

Man this is way to hilarious. If India would have stopped wasting money on this and ordered new Chinese lighter Fighter Jet it would have cost far less than what they have spent on this project

india can not buy those substandard Chinese planes. They will not meet our GSQR. You can buy them and enjoy. We need a high tech plane in our arsenal to build an ultramodern and a very air force who can scare our enemy and not just dud.

 

[surya kiran]

DRDO , ISRO and HAL should be allowed to recruit people directly from International colleges and students. Its a globalised world. I would like to see NASA and Boeing version in ISRO and HAL. They have the best minds. Its time we have the same.

Nobody from the new crop will join till they remove quota system and quota based promotions from premier research organisations. Why do you think no IITian wants to join?

 

[Indian Patriot]

So you are willing to risk your soldiers life to save money is it ?

They are willing to abuse their own soldiers to win an internet argument and make DRDO look good in a discussion forum.

Slashing the 800 KG weight shall push the T/W ration by 14%

How do you slash 800 kg from an aircraft?

 

[HariPrasad]

They are willing to abuse their own soldiers to win an internet argument and make DRDO look good in a discussion forum.



How do you slash 800 kg from an aircraft?

Removal of balancing weight-300 KG
Correct design of Landing gear-200 KG.
Low revating in body, More compositep parts, New high strength composite, Redesigned wings etc.300 KG.

There shall be aerodynamic improvement and some redesigning of Air Intake as well. S all in all it will become a very potent platform.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Removal of balancing weight-300 KG

Define balancing weight. Whatever weight is there in the aircraft will be there for a specific reason or else it is a proof of poor aircraft design.

Correct design of Landing gear-200 KG.

How did you calculate that correct design of the landing gear would reduce 200 kg? Can you tell what is wrong with the landing gear and why it weighs 200 kg extra? Are you even an engineer?

Low revating in body, More compositep parts, New high strength composite, Redesigned wings etc.300 KG.

Yes, it also sounds cool to have plasma stealth and laser canons, problem is nobody knows how to build them. An aircraft is not designed on a whim like you are mentioning. Where are you going to get "high strength composites" from, the internet market like flipkart?

You cannot even explain how these things will reduce the claimed amount of weight. So stop pulling out figures from your hat because you know nothing.

 

[HariPrasad]

Define balancing weight. Whatever weight is there in the aircraft will be there for a specific reason or else it is a proof of poor aircraft design.

this sort of weight balancung was very common in designs few years ago. Tejas too have that. It has 210 KG in nose cone to balance the excess weight of rare part.

How did you calculate that correct design of the landing gear would reduce 200 kg? Can you tell what is wrong with the landing gear and why it weighs 200 kg extra? Are you even an engineer?

This is not calculated but an estimate. Indian navy guys had told that they shall be able to reduce the landing gear weight to to level of Airforce tejas which is 600 to 650 KG. Naval landing gears are almost 30% heavier than Airforce plane. So 30% of 600 to 650 KG is 200 Kg.

Yes, it also sounds cool to have plasma stealth and laser canons, problem is nobody knows how to build them. An aircraft is not designed on a whim like you are mentioning. Where are you going to get "high strength composites" from, the internet market like flipkart?

What I have claimed is nothing alien. It is the contineous development of any design and part. New composite is already realized. We can certainly reduce the weight of surface by replacing them with new composite as well as we can convert some non composite part into composite. This sort of upgradation and development is very common and done in any defense stuff all over the world. Do you know that weight of Agni 3 was reduced to 22 Tons from 48 tons?

You cannot even explain how these things will reduce the claimed amount of weight. So stop pulling out figures from your hat because you know nothing.

If you are so naive that you can not understand how these things will reduce the weight than you are not worth discussing.

 

[mad_max]

Removal of balancing weight-300 KG
Correct design of Landing gear-200 KG.
Low revating in body, More compositep parts, New high strength composite, Redesigned wings etc.300 KG.

There shall be aerodynamic improvement and some redesigning of Air Intake as well. S all in all it will become a very potent platform.

And this moron thinks your incompetent PSu's will be able to achieve these in a fortnight.