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[SR-91]

You r welcome to feel proud.

 

[Superboy]

That tail wheel sticks out like a sixth finger in the hand.

Now that you mentioned it. Compared with WZ-10.

 

[SrNair]

The question isn't LCH better than Z-19, is it better in it's role?

Z-19 is a light attack helicopter, I'm assuming LCH, based on the name is also a light attack helicopter. However, how does India plan to use this? As something that leads the line? (Please don't mention Apache, you only got 20 something, it's not enough for such a large army) As something of a complement? As a back up? As a scout?

What?

Z-19 is cheap, effective and proven, it's also easy to build, 70 a year and counting.

Now where would you place he LCH in terms of it's place in the IA.

Indian Army ordered 119 LCH.And according to HAL LCH already passed the requirement of Armed Forces and goes beyond their expectation .
But if we took the track record only plus point that we can see is that Z19 is inducted while LCH not.
But Z19 is still dont have any expereince with war.

Well still you cant understan why we opt for limited Apaches.
Those Apaches are only for Air support of the two newly created Mountain Division of IA.
Those Mountain Divisions are only for the offensive role not for defensive role.So for an offensive role you should have a best heavy class attack helicopter with maximum punch .Apache proved its mettle during Afghan operation.
That is why we selected Apache in limited numbers.
But IA ordered 119 LCH and that means it would be enough for all other purpose except heavy offensive role.

 

[Genesis]

Indian Army ordered 119 LCH.And according to HAL LCH already passed the requirement of Armed Forces and goes beyond their expectation .
But if we took the track record only plus point that we can see is that Z19 is inducted while LCH not.
But Z19 is still dont have any expereince with war.

Well still you cant understan why we opt for limited Apaches.
Those Apaches are only for Air support of the two newly created Mountain Division of IA.
Those Mountain Divisions are only for the offensive role not for defensive role.So for an offensive role you should have a best heavy class attack helicopter with maximum punch .Apache proved its mettle during Afghan operation.
That is why we selected Apache in limited numbers.
But IA ordered 119 LCH and that means it would be enough for all other purpose except heavy offensive role.

why are we talking Apache? I know I mentioned them, but not to talk about them. 25 regardless of how you justify it is not enough. Else America wouldn't have 600+ of them. But let's drop this, as this isn't that important nor is it the topic.

The question is, would the LCH be taking on a bigger role than the Z-19 you think? If yes, would the comparison be valid. Would the Rudra have more or less load, in terms of missions, than the LCH, and if less, would this not be the candidate to be compared to the Z-19.

 

[surya kiran]

why are we talking Apache? I know I mentioned them, but not to talk about them. 25 regardless of how you justify it is not enough. Else America wouldn't have 600+ of them. But let's drop this, as this isn't that important nor is it the topic.

The question is, would the LCH be taking on a bigger role than the Z-19 you think? If yes, would the comparison be valid. Would the Rudra have more or less load, in terms of missions, than the LCH, and if less, would this not be the candidate to be compared to the Z-19.

Rudra is more likely to be used by mechanised infantry (it can carry troops), with armoured columns. LCH is a dedicated attack chopper with more armament carrying capability. It can carry twice the armament of the Rudra.

 

[SrNair]

why are we talking Apache? I know I mentioned them, but not to talk about them. 25 regardless of how you justify it is not enough. Else America wouldn't have 600+ of them. But let's drop this, as this isn't that important nor is it the topic.

The question is, would the LCH be taking on a bigger role than the Z-19 you think? If yes, would the comparison be valid. Would the Rudra have more or less load, in terms of missions, than the LCH, and if less, would this not be the candidate to be compared to the Z-19.

You mentioned and question the requirement of 20 Apache in our IA.
That is why I mentioned about Apache.
LCH has clear advantage over Rudra and equal or perhpas more than thr capabilities of Z19.
You will get clear picture after its induction
They orderd 119 means it would be the important part of our Army Aviation Corps in future.Upgradation may possible so orders may again increase.

 

[kaykay]

The question isn't LCH better than Z-19, is it better in it's role?

Z-19 is a light attack helicopter, I'm assuming LCH, based on the name is also a light attack helicopter. However, how does India plan to use this? As something that leads the line? (Please don't mention Apache, you only got 20 something, it's not enough for such a large army) As something of a complement? As a back up? As a scout?

What?

Z-19 is cheap, effective and proven, it's also easy to build, 70 a year and counting.

Now where would you place he LCH in terms of it's place in the IA.

I am not sure what are you implying. Anyway so far Army has ordered ~120 LCH along with 65 for IAF means total around 180. Now coming to Apache, 22 is for IAF and Army wants another 39, so total apache in service will eventually be 60+. And then there will be many Rudras and other armed helis like Lancers.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Seems to have an extra opening, outside the main air intake.

 

[sancho]

Its me or even you ,the fuselage length is increased with lot of IR suppressor work has been done nearby engine.

Looks more like they have added a covering around the exhaust, most likely for drag reductions, similar to what we have seen before with coverings at the guns and the gears.

 

[sathya]

View attachment 150733

Seems to have an extra opening, outside the main air intake.

should be like aux intake in fighters.. opening up when required

 

[sancho]

The question is, would the LCH be taking on a bigger role than the Z-19 you think?

The difference between Z19 and LCH is similar to the difference between German Luftwaffe Eurocopter Tiger and the French Eurocopter Tiger:

http://www.bredow-web.de/ILA_2008/Hubschrauber/Eurocopter_Tiger_UHT/Eurocopter_Tiger_UHT_-_Flug.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Eurocopter_LE_TIGRE_-_Flickr_-_besopha.jpg


The one is an armed reconnaissance helicopter, the other a proper fire support helicopter. They both can carry rockets and missiles, but without a chin mounted gun, the German Tiger can support ground troops in the same manner, in all missions and the same is the case for the Z19.
India obviously have different requirements, with Rudra and LCH being developed with proper fire support capability in any mission.

 

[kurup]

@Oscar ...... Please merge this thread with the sticky one .

 

[ashish1]

The question isn't LCH better than Z-19, is it better in it's role?

Z-19 is a light attack helicopter, I'm assuming LCH, based on the name is also a light attack helicopter. However, how does India plan to use this? As something that leads the line? (Please don't mention Apache, you only got 20 something, it's not enough for such a large army) As something of a complement? As a back up? As a scout?

What?

Z-19 is cheap, effective and proven, it's also easy to build, 70 a year and counting.

Now where would you place he LCH in terms of it's place in the IA.

About 179 will be ordered.This is total for IA and IAF.

 

[sancho]

Stub wing changes during the development:

 

[GORKHALI]