Gwadar another Dubai emerging on world map: Chinese media

[Joe Shearer]

No one is arguing how much do you contribute which is never the case unless you have reading comprehension problem or you are naive. The main point is why do you contribute in defence.PK [Pakistan]?

I don't contribute in Indian forums because i am not obsessed with Indians. But you contribute in Pakistani forums because you are obsessed about Pakistan. Why you are denying is either boils down to your insecurity for Pakistan or you name it?

I'm afraid that's a silly conclusion. About 25% of my total to date has been on Pakistani fora. That includes two well-known sites where I was a member but am no longer active now. The bulk of my contribution is on Indian and international fora. Those account for, say, around 70,000 + posts (to date).

Your analysis has little merit, a lot of spite and is plainly a laboured attempt at raising your message count. It is so entirely useless a line of thought that no other conclusion is possible.

 

[Finer]

I'm afraid that's a silly conclusion. About 25% of my total to date has been on Pakistani fora. That includes two well-known sites where I was a member but am no longer active now. The bulk of my contribution is on Indian and international fora. Those account for, say, around 70,000 + posts (to date).

Your analysis has little merit, a lot of spite and is plainly a laboured attempt at raising your message count. It is so entirely useless a line of thought that no other conclusion is possible.

You are expected to be active on Indian sites. That is not even debate. But 25%? That is impression amount which defines healthy obsession for Pakistan. I don't know why you don't admit it. My contribution for Indian forums is zero percent because i am not interested about Indian forums. And you are still active, maybe not as before, but still reasonably active. I mean way more active than me. My contribution feels smallish comparable to your admiration for Pakistan. It is compliment. If i was interested in post counts, i would have been posting everyday since 2013. I am all about quality. But your obsession for Pakistan piqued my interests hence the posts here.

 

[Max Pain]

Again we will defend the name of our nation even if it discuss in the bottom of the hell
Noone from India attacked or defended Pakistan.Then what are you doing in India based topic?
Just ignore it .
Sub Saharans are way smarter than you

Then F**k Off to some Sub Saharan Forum,

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You are expected to be active on Indian sites. That is not even debate. But 25%? That is impression amount which defines healthy obsession for Pakistan. I don't know why you don't admit it. My contribution for Indian forums is zero percent because i am not interested about Indian forums. And you are still active, maybe not as before, but still reasonably active. I mean way more active than me. My contribution feels smallish comparable to your admiration for Pakistan. It is compliment. If i was interested in post counts, i would have been posting everyday since 2013. I am all about quality. But your obsession for Pakistan piqued my interests hence the posts here.

Ditto. Same here exactly. Have 0 interest in their forums or anything indian for that matter. Apart from the indian military/security threats to Pakistan, I'm completely oblivious and indifferent to all things indian.

 

[dadeechi]

I think we should bring he Russians in too.

Iran, Russia, India, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyz, Tajikistan, Turkey, Ukraine, Belarus, Oman, Syria, Bulgaria are all part of International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC).

Notable omissions are China and Pakistan as they are working on rival CPEC.

INSTC would be used by countries in South & South East Asia to trade with Central Asia, EU & Russia.

What countries apart from China are Planning to use CPEC?

 

[SrNair]

Then F**k Off to some Sub Saharan Forum,

Who told you to quote my post ?
If you want to do something then ask mods and recommend to them to do whatever I mentioned in my earlier post.
Ban Indians and name India.

As far as my knowledge is concerned there is without doubt that India has technologically advanced by massive proportions...Things like the IT industry and the Space Program have made India an envy of the world...One Rocket launch in India is about 50% cheaper than the United States...India sent an unmanned rocket to orbit Mars and it cost US$73 million...it costed America US$671 million...an increase of 820%...

India's advancement of Defence Items is also extraordinary...Almost every nation in the world that produces weapons requests India to purchase them...

What I would like to see is the reduction of poverty...about one-third of India still lives below the Poverty Line...Yes India has helped Afghanistan and African Countries but I would like to see resources diverted to help the more than 300 million poor people of India...With this problem solved I personally believe India can come one step closer towards becoming a Super Power...

http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/country/home/tags/india

There is some difference in both missions .
NASA's craft was far more advanced compared to us and had different mission objectives .
We have a long way to go .
It is not 300 million but around 200 million .
We dont need to become a Superpower but we would compromise our national interest and security

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What countries apart from China are Planning to use CPEC?

Non. However one China is same as the coloured regions below. And you know with China it's not just numbers of mouths but they have explosive economy that is about to overtake USA in size.

• The population of China is equivalent to the population of North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, and all of Western Europe -- combined.
• The population of China is equivalent to the combined population of the former Soviet Union, plus Pakistan, Afghanistan, Finland, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Hungary. Oh, and all of Southeast Asia, Japan, and both Koreas.
• The population of China is equivalent to the population of Africa, the Balkans, and the Middle East put together.
• The population of China is equivalent to that of the world's second most populous country, India, plus that of Nepal, Bhutan, and Bangladesh.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You are expected to be active on Indian sites. That is not even debate. But 25%? That is impression amount which defines healthy obsession for Pakistan. I don't know why you don't admit it. My contribution for Indian forums is zero percent because i am not interested about Indian forums. And you are still active, maybe not as before, but still reasonably active. I mean way more active than me. My contribution feels smallish comparable to your admiration for Pakistan. It is compliment. If i was interested in post counts, i would have been posting everyday since 2013. I am all about quality. But your obsession for Pakistan piqued my interests hence the posts here.

It might have been apparent that I find nothing worthwhile or tangible in your posts. But a phrase in your last intrigued me.

You say,"I am all about quality." Indeed. And the rest of us are all about what, in your valued opinion? Post counts?

 

[Great Sachin]

China wants Pakistan to dream like that and keep paying 18% interest

 

[Finer]

It might have been apparent that I find nothing worthwhile or tangible in your posts. But a phrase in your last intrigued me.

You say,"I am all about quality." Indeed. And the rest of us are all about what, in your valued opinion? Post counts?

As for the bold, time will tell. My posts extract certain attention that doesn't sit well with so called, neighborly nation, well-wishers of Pakistan.

Quality trumps quantity. Again, that is my opinion. Feel free to disagree with my opinion.

 

[dadeechi]

Non. However one China is same as the coloured regions below. And you know with China it's not just numbers of mouths but they have explosive economy that is about to overtake USA in size.

• The population of China is equivalent to the population of North America, South America, Australia, New Zealand, and all of Western Europe -- combined.
• The population of China is equivalent to the combined population of the former Soviet Union, plus Pakistan, Afghanistan, Finland, Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and Hungary. Oh, and all of Southeast Asia, Japan, and both Koreas.
• The population of China is equivalent to the population of Africa, the Balkans, and the Middle East put together.
• The population of China is equivalent to that of the world's second most populous country, India, plus that of Nepal, Bhutan, and Bangladesh.

Fully agreed. China alone is enough to make CPEC a success.

But I would like to highlight couple of points

1) INSTC and CPEC have different objectives.

2) INSTC would enable India to reach Central Asia, EU & Russia while enabling Russia to reach Indian Ocean

3) CPEC allows China to reach India Ocean and Africa

4) With China heavily involved with Gwadar, it discourages India and South East Asian countries in using Gwadar and these countries would prefer Chabahar port which would be part of INSTC

5) China has contingency & alternate routes to reach Indian Ocean through Myanmar, Thailand apart from CPEC to bypass Strait of Malacca. Myanmar route is the most optimum for China as it is closer to the population centers in East China.

6) What would be the viability of CPEC from Pakistan's perspective if China chooses to use the alternate route through Myanmar?

Pakistan policy makers made couple of major errors

1) Making CPEC China centric, heavily China Influenced and China Controlled . They should have made it as PEC only instead of CPEC by involving all major powers like Russia, US, India, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia

2) Shunning India - which could have been a great contingency if Chinese transit failed

Pakistan could have been a great intersection for both INSTC & CPEC

 

[LA se Karachi]

Fully agreed. China alone is enough to make CPEC a success.

But I would like to highlight couple of points

1) INSTC and CPEC have different objectives.

2) INSTC would enable India to reach Central Asia, EU & Russia while enabling Russia to reach Indian Ocean

3) CPEC allows China to reach India Ocean and Africa

4) With China heavily involved with Gwadar, it discourages India and South East Asian countries in using Gwadar and these countries would prefer Chabahar port which would be part of INSTC

5) China has contingency & alternate routes to reach Indian Ocean through Myanmar, Thailand apart from CPEC to bypass Strait of Malacca. Myanmar route is the most optimum for China as it is closer to the population centers in East China.

6) What would be the viability of CPEC from Pakistan's perspective if China chooses to use the alternate route through Myanmar?

Pakistan policy makers made couple of major errors

1) Making CPEC China centric, heavily China Influenced and China Controlled . They should have made it as PEC only instead of CPEC by involving all major powers like Russia, US, India, China, Iran and Saudi Arabia

2) Shunning India - which could have been a great contingency if Chinese transit failed

Pakistan could have been a great intersection for both INSTC & CPEC

CPEC is not just about China. It's also about all of Central Asia which needs a sea port and a reliable transit route to and from the sea.

 

[dadeechi]

CPEC is not just about China. It's also about all of Central Asia which needs a sea port and a reliable transit route to and from the sea.

And Central Asian countries are going to use CPEC to trade with whom? Pakistan?

1) Certainly not with China who does not need CPEC to trade with Central Asia as they have direct border with Central Asia

2) Certainly not with India whose request for land access to Afghanistan and Central Asia has been rejected by Pakistan

 

[Md Akmal]

IA I hope so in time- btw I am of the opinion India should also be allowed to access Gwadar what do you guys think ?

@ What a joke ??

 

[LA se Karachi]

And Central Asian countries are going to use CPEC to trade with whom? Pakistan?

1) Certainly not with China who does not need CPEC to trade with Central Asia as they have direct border with Central Asia

2) Certainly not with India whose request for land access to Afghanistan and Central Asia has been rejected by Pakistan

With Pakistan and the rest of the world. Transportation over water is the most cost-effective method.