Gwadar another Dubai emerging on world map: Chinese media

[艹艹艹]

瓜达尔港将来会打造成为中国西部乃至中亚的出海口，发展潜力非常巨大，
中巴友谊万岁
Gwadar will become China western and Central Asia to the sea port，the development potential is huge,
pak-china
Long live our friendship

 

[911]

Your 10,000 posts in defence.pk [Pakistan] is the scream of your obsession with Pakistan. You just made point why you are more obsessed with Pakistan and why i am less comparatively.

Remove topics concerning India and no Indian will ever visit this forum trust me.

 

[Finer]

Remove topics concerning India and no Indian will ever visit this forum trust me.

Indians are welcome. I never made such statement why they shouldn't come. I am just stating factual figures. No Pakistanis is obsessed with India, but Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. That doesn't mean they are not allowed to post in Pakistan forums. They are welcome as long as they like. Constitution of defence Pakistan forum provides that right for Indians.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

People

I like this forum because mostly its balanced discussion, trolls and the like are quickly dismissed.

I write this because as a Pakistani, I have huge concerns about CPEC, but would like your views and reassurance.

CPEC is $46 billion. 3/4s is power related the rest is transport, e.g motorways, rail or metro, with freebies thrown in like Gwader airport.

On power , coal projects are charging twice what India pays for electricity and solar is four times plus what UAE pays.
Is this a non issue if its cheaper than what we currently pay despite being higher than our neighbours? I thought the whole idea was to make us more completive?

I see CPEC as a north south corridor, that will benefit internal trade and maybe trade with South Afghanistan trade. Why do I say this? well China already has a train service from its industrial heartland to Iran and has already run trains on this route. The route of the train runs though all the major Central Asian states, bypassing Afghanistan, but still able to serve the north Afghanistan.

sovereign guarantees and other commitments are hidden, Gwadar port gives Chinese companies tax free status for 40 years, transit tolls are yet to be announced.

Thoughts please, preferably ones that will help me sleep easier please.

To help you sleep easier, you should think positively that this CPEC and Gwadar project will work and bring prosperity to Pakistan, look at Asians countries such Singapore, Korea, Japan, you need to open up to the world regardless of obstacle and challenge and toke one generation of hard work to bring them prosperity.

One of Chinese analyst has said that Pakistan need a good infrastructure in order to attract more foreign investment to boost Pakistan economy: if there is a lot of power shortage or bad transportation, companies that operative within Pakistan will not be competitive compare to other countries and that will deter them from coming. Pakistan need a solid infrastructure foundation if it really wants to stand on this unforgiven competitive world, every nations want FDI and infrastructure improvement, despite that Philippine and Vietnam hate China over SCS issue but they're welcome our investments because they know investment will improve their economy and infrastructure project will improve their competitive edge and their society

 

[hassamun]

To be honest and just, I believe since Independence both Pakistanis and Indians have had an obsession with each other. Both try to argue with regards of who is the better one. Both have fought Wars and Proxy Wars against each other...There seems to be no end...

We should go back to the Original Topic of this thread instead of doing personal attacks and making this Thread another Pakistan vs India war of words...

Instead of arguing who is better we should have proper dialogues to solve mutual problems like Kashmir...I am sure that both Countries can benefit from one another...

On a lighter note please view the video below....

 

[艹艹艹]

To be honest and just, I believe since Independence both Pakistanis and Indians have had an obsession with each other. Both try to argue with regards of who is the better one. Both have fought Wars and Proxy Wars against each other...There seems to be no end...

We should go back to the Original Topic of this thread instead of doing personal attacks and making this Thread another Pakistan vs India war of words...

Instead of arguing who is better we should have proper dialogues to solve mutual problems like Kashmir...I am sure that both Countries can benefit from one another...

On a lighter note please view the video below....

You're right, but India will not do that, because India's goal is to South Asia hegemony。

 

[LA se Karachi]

Remove topics concerning India and no Indian will ever visit this forum trust me.

Why not stick to issues that involve India on this site then, if this is your logic?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

I have a total of over 100,000 posts in different fora, over the years, starting from 1988, when I became a member of CiX, one of India's first bulletin boards. Its successor, Silk List, still continues. Three are Pakistani; seven are Indian; a number I have not counted, but more than these are international in character. I have relatively few posts here. That is because most of my posts, except those wasted in replying to the likes of you, are on facts. Or on the correction of mistakenly cited facts.

Sir Could you please E mail to me ; the names of other forums where you are a member

My e mail ID is stephen_cohen73@yahoo.in

 

[Joe Shearer]

Your 10,000 posts in defence.pk [Pakistan] is the scream of your obsession with Pakistan. You just made point why you are more obsessed with Pakistan and why i am less comparatively.

The word is contribution.

I am happy to have contributed more than some armchair critics who surface once in a blue moon to deprecate everyone else, and then disappear without adding anything to the discussions going on.

Sir Could you please E mail to me ; the names of other forums where you are a member

My e mail ID is stephen_cohen73@yahoo.in

Absolutely not! I guard it closely. I have talked about the Pakistani sites on PDF, but I would rather not have someone following me around and baiting me on different fora.

Sorry.

 

[911]

Why not stick to issues that involve India on this site then, if this is your logic?

Its hard to avoid non-Indian topics all the time, although i very rarely comment on Pakistan's internal politics threads but when i do its for the same reason as right now. As for Pakistan doing better or worse, shouldn't be my business although from an Indian's perspective a stable and progressive Pakistan is better for the region for various reasons in my vision, with no compromises on Kashmir ofcourse. I support status quo on that matter because its too late for any other solution now and its better for both countries(a little off-topic).

 

[v9s]

A carrier task force in the Gulf to discourage the naval elements of Iran, Iraq and Somalia?

Really?

Yes really. Any disruption in oil supply lines in a sensitive region like the gulf will affect the global economy. The US parks itself there as a force of stability.

 

[LA se Karachi]

Its hard to avoid non-Indian topics all the time, although i very rarely comment on Pakistan's internal politics threads but when i do its for the same reason as right now. As for Pakistan doing better or worse, shouldn't be my business although from an Indian's perspective a stable and progressive Pakistan is better for the region for various reasons in my vision, with no compromises on Kashmir ofcourse. I support status quo on that matter because its too late for any other solution now and its better for both countries(a little off-topic).

Fair enough.

 

[SrNair]

The number of people working government jobs can not cover the Indian population. The number of poor people has not dipped in anyway to suggest any trickle down effect. The cost of living has increased at a pace where the poor find it harder to survive. Indians still go abroad to find jobs in the Middle east. Skilled people who have returned complaim about the thuggish attitude especially towards doctors.
As far as Aid goes even we have given aid to countries including Afghanistan. But India is still recieves more aid then it gives. The poverty in Indian cities is not decreasing and the inflation especially in property has led to a fractured economy...
The level of crime is still high as well as the corruption. Do not talk to me about the figures released when ur own parliamentarian questions them.
The red tape, the

Yes and the Indian achievementd are great on paper also but the economy is still not returning anything downstream. The diplomacy that u claim is great has fractured most neighbours into either being with u are totally against you in the neighbourhood. The Americans see an interest and have temporarily aligned themselves with you but still no real progress is seen.
Real tangible results are not seen in any regard in diplomacy. Your bid for veto power has failed, Nsg is off the table, and the issues inside India still grow.
Being called an ally is great, but when there are tangible results only then will the diplomacy be successful. And with the latest moves by India you have further polarised the area, and it is going to be evident how a hard handed approach has long term effects.
As for whst you see here, we are honest... we do not hide that 300 million or 25 percent of ur population do not have connection to grid, ur state discos have no money to pay the power suppliers and there us loadshedding still or that ur per capita usage of power is extremely low.

Yes i know the gold which the GoI shows as reserves held in temples. The funny fact being that gold can never be sold but still is a reserve.
Your research is flawed and incomplete. When you reduce abject poverty, improve the class of Indians to the level of a developing nation, and have a functioning healthcare system, road network, and a society that does not function on corruption then come and tell me.
Till then hide away the fact that reporters are threatened by the Cbi, doctors are beaten up at work, and the great Indian democracy is cracked with multiple issues from caste systems protests to lynchings. We have the courage to face our problems while you are just going around beating our chests saying everything is okay. Do read whst dominates the press these days regarding India and move past the pretty headlines and to the articles on the issues in India. Most which are ignored by all of u

Nice essay .
But most of the points are either flawed or incomplete .
Do you know who start this inflation ?
GoI themselves .Look at the fund they disbursed for Rural Employment scheme .
Money that earned by GoI through their reforms is began to trickled to the bottom layer of the society .People began to purchase a lots of food items .And it will remain like that until we modernise our FCI and its facilities.
Each year we are producing food and grains at record rate but that is not simple enough .
Then we have other scheme like Antyodaya Anna Yojana scheme that gives 35 kg of wheat and rice in a moth for mere 2 RS per kilo .There are several other schemes exclusively for poor and BPL .
Another interesting flaw in your assessment is that estimation of BPL people .Those who earned one lakh in a month in either India or ME can get a BPL card because of the loop holes in our outdated rules

Compare your Aid to Afghanistan and we gives to SAARC and Africa .Then tell me the difference .
We already spend more than 2 billion$ in Afghanistan .
Compare to that the aid that we got from West is just peanut ( according to our former FM ,now Prez Pranab Mukherjee) and UK already ended their so called aid .
Corruption is there and we have powerful platforms to punish the culprits .What you call in US as lobbying effort ,is corruption in India .

We are evolved unlike our western neighbour who still didnt reformed the basic land laws .
Of Course ours economy is just only in paper that is why we run world largest welfare schemes, implementing big projects like Golden Quadrilateral and several schemes .
About our power situation .A thread of your own countrymen
https://defence.pk/threads/modi-reforms-flicker-in-rural-india-other-big-challenges-remain.430398/


Rest of your points are totally baseless and more like a whining or trolling attempt
I have been following the politics ,economy ,development when I was just 13 years old .And I can see the huge difference between during last 12 years .

You're not as bad as other Indian posters. You do make SOME sense. But generally we'll agree to disagree.

I am rational and will also disagree when the points are incomplete.

 

[hassamun]

As far as my knowledge is concerned there is without doubt that India has technologically advanced by massive proportions...Things like the IT industry and the Space Program have made India an envy of the world...One Rocket launch in India is about 50% cheaper than the United States...India sent an unmanned rocket to orbit Mars and it cost US$73 million...it costed America US$671 million...an increase of 820%...

India's advancement of Defence Items is also extraordinary...Almost every nation in the world that produces weapons requests India to purchase them...

What I would like to see is the reduction of poverty...about one-third of India still lives below the Poverty Line...Yes India has helped Afghanistan and African Countries but I would like to see resources diverted to help the more than 300 million poor people of India...With this problem solved I personally believe India can come one step closer towards becoming a Super Power...

http://www.ruralpovertyportal.org/country/home/tags/india

 

[Finer]

The word is contribution.

I am happy to have contributed more than some armchair critics who surface once in a blue moon to deprecate everyone else, and then disappear without adding anything to the discussions going on.

Absolutely not! I guard it closely. I have talked about the Pakistani sites on PDF, but I would rather not have someone following me around and baiting me on different fora.

Sorry.

No one is arguing how much do you contribute which is never the case unless you have reading comprehension problem or you are naive. The main point is why do you contribute in defence.PK [Pakistan]?

I don't contribute in Indian forums because i am not obsessed with Indians. But you contribute in Pakistani forums because you are obsessed about Pakistan. Why you are denying is either boils down to your insecurity for Pakistan or you name it?