Greek Rafale F3 Vs Turkish S400

[Beny Karachun]

S400 is the best in the world to create great A2/AD capability against Fighter Jets , Bombers , AWACS

Nonsense lol

S400 is a joke

 

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YPG-PKK is still in Syria.
House of Representatives government still controls more than half of Libya.
France didn't back Armenia militarily in Karabakh.
Turkey isn't drilling in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Don't believe your AKP propaganda.

1-- PKK-YPG failed to create ROJAVA .. Turkish Army took Afrin , Rasulayn and Telabyad
keep dreaming about ROJAVA .. dream is free


2-- Turkiye backed Libyan government control capital , central bank and most populated Area
and not France ,, but Turkiye in Libya

HAFTAR is nothing and a loser


3-- France doesnt have military power to do anything against Turkiye in Karabakh
France backed Armenia and Turkiye backed Azerbaijan

RESULT : Turkish victory


4-- Nobody can drilling in Turkish EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean
Turkiye focused on the Black Sea to find new gas reserves

We will do what we want in the Mediterranean when we want
Nobody can stop us

but nobody can enter Turkish EEZ for drilling



so dont believe your Greek Government-Media propaganda.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Turkiye has same high quality NATO standart impressive capability too
even the best in some fields such as UCAVs , guided MLRS , Tactical Ballistic Missiles , long range guided munitions , Kamikaze Drones and cost effective mini cruise missiles





And Turkiye is creating great A2/AD capability to turn F-16V and RAFALE into scrap of metal
Also to stop SCALP Cruise Missile

-- S400
-- SIPER
-- HISAR-O
-- HISAR-A
-- GOKDEMIR
-- GURZ
-- SUNGUR
-- KORKUT 35 mm SPAAG

-- 600 km BIG BIRD Radar
-- 450+ km ERALP AESA Radar
-- 600 km MESA Radar on Boeing E-7T AEWC

-- REDET-II next gen Radar EW System to jam/paralyze hostile Radars including Fighter Jets from 200 km away
-- HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer Aircraft to jam/paralyze hostile Radars including Fighter Jets from 400 km away



250+ km SIPER Block2 missile with booster .... to engage on Hellenic Air Force even in Greek airspace over the Aegean

Boeing E7-T AEWC
Data Link
250+ km SIPER Block2 missile with booster

1 RAFALE : $100-150 million
1 SIPER Missile : $1 million

No where to hide .... No where to run ...... RAFALE will be a flying coffin
250+ km SIPER Block2 missile with booster
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Also Turkiye is not sleeping

TAI and ASELSAN have signed contracts for $2 billion to modernize F-16 block40/50s after 35 F-16 block30 to block70 VIPER standard

MURAD AESA Radar
FEWS ew suite
and many more modern systems

and Air to Air Missiles from TUBITAK-SAGE including ramjet powered GOKHAN long range networked a2a missile


also KIZILELMA and ANKA-3 will be game change in the next a few years






I am very well know what about Greece

better all of you pay attention to what others have to say even if you have disagreements with me


24 RAFALE can not give a victory to Greece ... not even close

Now Turkish Defense Industery more than a match for Greece
even France will be incomparable with Turkiye in some fields in 2030


upcoming Turkish Air Force with outstanding capability and technology

KAAN , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3 manned and unmanned Fighter Jets
MURAD and BURFIS AESA Radars
GOKHAN ramjet powered long range networked air to air missile

200 modernized F-16s ( block70 standard )
HURJET next gen light attack Fighter Jet for CAS mission

Great UCAV fleet armed with game changer weapons

Great Cruise Missile fire power with SOM , SLAM-ER , HARM , AKBABA , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ and KEMANKES

S400 AD System with 250 and 380 km 48N6 and 40N6 Missiles
250+ km SIPER Block2 air defense missile with booster
HISAR-O and GOKDEMIR medium range AD Systems

-- 600 km BIG BIRD Radar
-- 450+ km ERALP AESA Radar
-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km MESA Radar

-- REDET-II next gen Radar EW System to jam/paralyze hostile Radars including Fighter Jets from 200 km away
-- HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer Aircraft to jam/paralyze hostile Radars including Fighter Jets from 400 km away

AKINCI UAVs for AEWC and airborne stand off jammer missions


Greece only can dream about these technologies
İts reality ... not patriotism or something

You're always saying stuff under the assumption every Turkish unit will do everything right and would simply instantly checkmate any opponent.

Just because you have a queen and your enemy has a rook doesn't mean you're going to win. The important part of war is the strategy. The careful steps.

 

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Nonsense lol

S400 is a joke

You are a joke
even old S125 turned American F-117 into scrap of metal
even ols S200 hit Israeli F-16

NATO Forces can not fly even near Crimea ...
Israel can not attack Syria without Russian permission ... you daydreamer boys

 

[Foinikas]

1-- PKK-YPG failed to create ROJAVA .. Turkish Army took Afrin , Rasulayn and Telabyad
keep dreaming about ROJAVA .. dream is free


2-- Turkiye backed Libyan government control capital , central bank and most populated Area
and not France ,, but Turkiye in Libya

HAFTAR is nothing and a loser


3-- France doesnt have military power to do anything against Turkiye in Karabakh
France backed Armenia and Turkiye backed Azerbaijan

RESULT : Turkish victory


4-- Nobody can drilling in Turkish EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean
Turkiye focused on the Black Sea to find new gas reserves

We will do what we want in the Mediterranean when we want
Nobody can stop us

but nobody can enter Turkish EEZ for drilling



so dont believe your Greek Government-Media propaganda.

Even if I explain to you,it won't make a difference. You'll just say your thing and post your long lists of Turkish products.

NATO Forces can not fly even near Crimea ...
Israel can not attack Syria without Russian permission ... you daydreamer boys

Because they don't want to start WWIII.

 

[Beny Karachun]

You are a joke
even old S125 turned American F-117
even ols S200 hit Israeli F-16

NATO Forces can not fly even near Crimea ...
Israel can not attack Syria without Russian permission ... you daydreamer boys

Lol.

Hitting a target by a fluke does not mean Russian air defenses are any good.

Russian air defenses are a joke.
I'm sure if the Greek had the S-400 and Turkey didn't you would copy paste your cruise missile and kamikaze drone list and say S-400 is a joke and can easily be destroyed.

 

[MMM-E]

You're always saying stuff under the assumption every Turkish unit will do everything right and would simply instantly checkmate any opponent.

Just because you have a queen and your enemy has a rook doesn't mean you're going to win. The important part of war is the strategy. The careful steps.

Brain is clear

We have seen S.Arabian PATRIOTs against Iranian swarm attack by 27 cruise missiles and kamikaze drones
ARAMCO facilities were hit by Iran


Reality is always reality


Cost of a PATRIOT battery : $1,1 billion

Cost of a Kamikaze Drone : $50.000
Cost of a mini cruise missile : $100.000


1 PATRIOT battery has 8 launchers and 32 missiles ... $1,1 billion

100 Kamikaze Drones : $5 million
100 guided munitions : $5 million
100 mini cruise missiles : $10 million

a swarm attack on PATRIOT ... 32 PATRIOT missiles never can stop a swarm attack by 100 Turkish systems
and GAME OVER !

Turkiye has its own technology easly to turn Greek PATRIOTs into scrap of metal

Because they don't want to start WWIII.

Because tiny Israel can not do anything against nuclear super power Russia


and Russia doesnt use SU-35s , S400s against Israel
because NETANYAHU was in Moscow 6 times to ask permission from PUTIN to attack SAA-IRGC forces in Syria

 

[Beny Karachun]

Brain is clear

We have seen S.Arabian PATRIOTs against Iranian swarm attack by 27 cruise missiles and kamikaze drones
ARAMCO facilities were hit by Iran


Reality is always reality


Cost of a PATRIOT battery : $1,1 billion

Cost of a Kamikaze Drone : $50.000
Cost of a mini cruise missile : $100.000


1 PATRIOT battery has 8 launchers and 32 missiles ... $1,1 billion

100 Kamikaze Drones : $5 million
100 guided munitions : $5 million
100 mini cruise missiles : $10 million

a swarm attack on PATRIOT
and GAME OVER !

Turkiye has its own technology easly to turn Greek PATRIOTs into scrap of metal

The Saudis have since then grew a bit of brain and decided to cover more than just one side of their country with radars. Patriot defended against drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles successfully.

S-400 was hyped by the Russians but turns out they can't defend anything, not even themselves with their shitty Pantsirs and TORs.

A swarm attack on Patriot, provided you can detect it, ignore EW, protect your own assets, evade Patriot and shorter range systems.

This money comparison is stupid. Any cruise missile and drone is cheaper than Turkish air defense system as well.

The disparity between Russian and Ukrainian powers was much bigger than the disparity between Turkish and Greek forces.

Russia had way more precision guided cruise missiles and ballistic missiles than Turkey and way more satellites than Turkey yet it couldn't handle Ukrainian air defenses. What makes you think Turkey can easily do that?

Because tiny Israel can not do anything against nuclear super power Russia


and Russia doesnt use SU-35s , S400s against Israel
because NETANYAHU was in Moscow 6 times to ask permission from PUTIN to attack SAA-IRGC forces in Syria

Nonsense lol.

We bomb Syria because we want to.
Russia can't do anything to stop us even if they wanted, we would show the world how to deal with the S-400 otherwise.

Nuclear bombs are worthless if your enemy also has nukes. No one is planning to use them.

 

[Foinikas]

Lol.

Hitting a target by a fluke does not mean Russian air defenses are any good.

Russian air defenses are a joke.
I'm sure if the Greek had the S-400 and Turkey didn't you would copy paste your cruise missile and kamikaze drone list and say S-400 is a joke and can easily be destroyed.

That's the funny thing. He talks about how easily S-125 and S-200 can hit Israeli and American aircraft,but when it comes to S-300PMU1 that Greece has,it's so easy to destroy. Then he talks about how good S-400 is.

Because tiny Israel can not do anything against nuclear super power Russia

Meanwhile...

Russia is a nuclear super power but so pathetic in modern weapon systems

You are contradicting yourself.

Do you think that Turkey can do anything against Russia then,if Russia decides to use nuclear weapons against Turkey?

Reality is always reality


Cost of a PATRIOT battery : $1,1 billion

Cost of a Kamikaze Drone : $50.000
Cost of a mini cruise missile : $100.000


1 PATRIOT battery has 8 launchers and 32 missiles ... $1,1 billion

100 Kamikaze Drones : $5 million
100 guided munitions : $5 million
100 mini cruise missiles : $10 million

Listen,do you understand that you have posted this exact part some 5-6 times on this thread alone? Maybe more? Do you understand,I'll ask you again and please reply to me,do you understand that it discredits your post and makes you look like someone who can't engage in normal dialogue?

 

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Russian air defenses are a joke.
I'm sure if the Greek had the S-400 and Turkey didn't you would copy paste your cruise missile and kamikaze drone list and say S-400 is a joke and can easily be destroyed.

You can fool only each others .... nothing else

Russian S400 is the best against Fighter Jets

S400 can be hit as like PATRIOT
if you fire so many missiles , then S400 can not stop swarm attack from very long distance ( 300 -500 km away )

therefore Turkiye has developed its own AD Systems to protect S400s against cruise missiles and kamikaze drones

-- KORKUT 35 mm SPAAG
-- HISAR-A
-- HISAR-O
-- GURZ
-- GOKDEMIR



btw Turkiye is getting Air Defense Missile which can be able to compete with Russian 48N6 and American SM-6
240 km 48N6 .. Russia
240 km SM-6 .. USA
250+ km SIPER Block2 with booster ... Turkiye


150+ km SIPER block2

250+ km SIPER Block2 with booster

Boeing E7-T AEWC can detect Greek F-16V and RAFALE from 380 km away from Turkish Air Force

and via data link E-7T AEWC can guide 250+ km SIPER missile to hit Greek F-16V and RAFALE even in Greek airspace


and Greece can do nothing to find SIPER AD System
( no need to activate ERALP AESA Radar ... Boeing E7-T AEWC can find and guide )

 

[LeGenD]

You are a joke
even old S125 turned American F-117 into scrap of metal
even ols S200 hit Israeli F-16

NATO Forces can not fly even near Crimea ...
Israel can not attack Syria without Russian permission ... you daydreamer boys

The F-117 sortie-to-loss ratio in global conflicts for reference:

Operation Just Cause = 6 - 0
Operation Desert Storm = 1219 - 0
Operation Allied Force = 743 - 1
Operation Iraqi Freedom = 87 - 0

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Israel - Russia having a hot line in Syria does not equate to Russia giving permission to Israel to do whatever it wants to do in Syria.

Israel and Russia are not at war with each other in Syria but Russia will want to avoid incidents:

Moscow blames Israel after Syria shoots down Russian military plane

Russian ministry accuses Israeli pilots of using aircraft as cover against missiles

www.theguardian.com

This is why hot line is created.

Israel Air Force has conducted hundreds of strikes in Syria:

During more than a decade of war in Syria, neighboring Israel has launched hundreds of air strikes on its territory, primarily targeting Iran-backed forces and Hezbollah fighters as well as Syrian army positions.

Monitor: Israeli Strikes Near Damascus Kill Six

During more than a decade of war in Syria, neighboring Israel has launched hundreds of air strikes on its territory

www.voanews.com

 

[Foinikas]

250+ km SIPER missile

You keep repeating the stats of your new inventions. These stats are only theoretical and only mentioned by the Turkish MoD and the Turkish companies. The true capabilities of these weapons are not known.

And we're talking about the first models of these AA systems. Any serious person,wouldn't constantly brag about them like you do. They would have not overestimated their abilities.

And what exactly is the reason for posting the photo of a Siper missile for the 100th time on this thread? You think that by showing us a photo of the missile again,you will convince us?

 

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The Saudis have since then grew a bit of brain and decided to cover more than just one side of their country with radars. Patriot defended against drones, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles successfully.

Notning to do with Radars
all about swarn attack by many cruise missiles and kamikaze drones at the same time

1 PATRIOT Battery has 8 launchers and 32 missiles

never can stop swarm attack by 100 cheap guided munitions , mini cruise missiles and kamikaze drones

A swarm attack on Patriot, provided you can detect it, ignore EW, protect your own assets, evade Patriot and shorter range systems.

160 km PATRIOT is joke , Greek EW capability is full of joke

200-250-500-700-800 km anti radiation Drone with RF seeker
and SIMSEK , KUZGUN-TJ , AZAB , KARGI- , SUPER SIMSEK , KEMANKES with RF or IR Camera enough to find and destroy Greek PATRIOTs in Skyros and Athens


Turkiye has also many options from land-naval-air platforms to hit PATRIOT
YILDIRIM , BORA , TAYFUN , IHA-230 , CAKIR , KARA-ATMACA , HARM , SLAM-ER , KGK-LR , KUZGUN-TJ , SOM

 

[Foinikas]

160 km PATRIOT is joke , Greek EW capability is full of joke

200-250-500-700-800 km anti radiation Drone with RF seeker
and SIMSEK , KUZGUN-TJ , AZAB , KARGI- , SUPER SIMSEK , KEMANKES with RF or IR Camera enough to find and destroy Greek PATRIOTs in Skyros and Athens

Everything is a joke to you. Greece,Egypt,France,Russia,Israel. You can practically defeat every country, That's what you're telling us.

 

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The F-117 sortie-to-loss ratio in global conflicts for reference:

Operation Just Cause = 6 - 0
Operation Desert Storm = 1219 - 0
Operation Allied Force = 743 - 1
Operation Iraqi Freedom = 87 - 0

Tiny Greece is not allied powers ( super power USA and Global power UK )
and Turkiye is not weak Iraq or Serbia


Greece buys 24 RAFALEs .. nothing else

S400
SIPER
HISAR-O
GOKDEMIR
4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs
234 F-16s
and soon KIZILELMA

will be enough to stop enemy Air Forces to protect Turkish Air space

You keep repeating the stats of your new inventions. These stats are only theoretical and only mentioned by the Turkish MoD and the Turkish companies. The true capabilities of these weapons are not known.

And we're talking about the first models of these AA systems. Any serious person,wouldn't constantly brag about them like you do. They would have not overestimated their abilities.

You keep dreaming and sleeping
Turkish Air Defense Systems will wake up all daydreamers as like Turkish UCAVs


Turkish ASELSAN , ROKETSAN , TUBITAK-SAGE are not playing computer game
They are developing state of the art technology AD Systems and Air to Air Missiles for upcoming conflict

Everything is a joke to you. Greece,Egypt,France,Russia,Israel. You can practically defeat every country, That's what you're telling us.

Dont jump to Russia,Israel,France,etc

I am talking about Greece here
and Greece nevr can match with Turkiye .... not even close