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[Foinikas]

That's a heck of a ship, and besides the main weapons it holds, it's also unusually packed with a pair of forward and aft Phalanx CIWS systems.

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Most navy cruisers, destroyers and even frigates almost always pack a single one of these systems that can reach 360 degrees for protection of un-identifying & fast incoming little ships packed with explosives to destroy it. But most likely because of the high arrangement of the center housing on these MEKOs, they've decided to mount a pair of these to be sure they're covered all the way! Good stuff.

It's a great ship,but the modernization still hasn't started. We still haven't decided who and when and for how much,will modernize the ships. And we haven't even decided how many yet. All 4 ships or just 2 of them?

The flagship of the Hellenic Navy is currently F452 Hydra

 

[Foinikas]

@Gomig-21 @Hydration @Ghostkiller @joker88 @BON PLAN @Vergennes

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MoD Nikos Panagiotopoulos with his FDI HN scale model

Minister of Foreign Affairs Nikos Dendias with his model,gifted to him by the French Embassy

If certain problems are fixed,the ship will really be a strong frigate.

What do I mean? The French initially intended the FDI to be the replacement to the La Fayette class. The FDI is supposed to escort aircraft carriers or be with other ships,using its powerful SeaFire radar and its sonars,while being protected by other vessels,submarines and Rafale M jet fighters. Thus,they only included 16 Aster-15/30 missiles and no CIWS.

The Greek navy asked for 32 Aster-30 and a RAM.

But then,there was the problem with the ECM,the ship had no ECM. The French had said they would develop a new one just for the FDI,but they gave vague dates like 2028 for the completion or even later. They also didn't even have decoys planned to be installed on their version of the ship. Ptisi noticed the other day,that they don't even have an IRIST (which Ptisi suggested we should pressure them to installe Vampire NG or PRAXIO on our ships,if I remember correctly).


So imagine,after our initial enthusiasm,we started wondering what we're buying after all. A ship with a great AESA radar,some of the best sonars and the best AA missiles in the world,but without an ECM,EW,decoys,IRIST and with the RAM and second Sylver cell for the second batch of 16 Aster-30 to be installed in Greece,after we receive it.

@Akritas has explained in previous posts about the decoys we will place and the ECM we could possibly install,if they haven't finished their new one,but still you see that a lot of Greeks are now thinking that the Dutch offer might have been better. But again...the Dutch didn't support us politically and diplomatically in 2019-2020 during the crisis with Turkey and also...the ship is great if these things are installed.

 

[Akritas]

Here is an overview of the Hellenic Navy’s planned procurement of naval vessels and aircraft, as well as the expected modernization and upgrade of in-service vessels. The period we are focusing on spans from July 8, 2019, when the new government under Prime Minister K. Mitsotakis was formed, to the end of the current decade.
The graph below illustrates the tremendous effort by the government and the current leadership of the Hellenic Navy to modernize the Greek naval forces after years of cutbacks and inactivity.

The Future of the Hellenic Navy Fleet - Naval News

Here is an overview of the Hellenic Navy's planned procurement of naval vessels and aircraft, as well as the expected modernization and upgrade of in-service vessels.

www.navalnews.com

 

[joker88]

Here is an overview of the Hellenic Navy’s planned procurement of naval vessels and aircraft, as well as the expected modernization and upgrade of in-service vessels. The period we are focusing on spans from July 8, 2019, when the new government under Prime Minister K. Mitsotakis was formed, to the end of the current decade.
The graph below illustrates the tremendous effort by the government and the current leadership of the Hellenic Navy to modernize the Greek naval forces after years of cutbacks and inactivity.

The Future of the Hellenic Navy Fleet - Naval News

Here is an overview of the Hellenic Navy's planned procurement of naval vessels and aircraft, as well as the expected modernization and upgrade of in-service vessels.

www.navalnews.com

FCx 40 will complement foreign direct investment
Almost what has been discussed is the rehabilitation of your arsenal to build and equip the plots there
It is possible to increase in the future because Greece is on the verge of other gas discoveries and military control of the islands
Expect from me that the eastern Mediterranean will have a rapid military intervention coalition of Cyprus, Egypt, Greece and Israel
to maintain the economic zones

The exercises do not stop on the island of Cyprus, and on a permanent basis, teams are constantly sent there to practice landing, jungle warfare and diving.

 

[Foinikas]

FCx 40 will complement foreign direct investment
Almost what has been discussed is the rehabilitation of your arsenal to build and equip the plots there

La la,hadhihi heya el FCX-30! They will have a deal with Fincantieri to be built partially in Greece (2 corvettes at least) and for Fincantieri to give more work to the Elefsina Shipyards afterwards,as I understand.

Expect from me that the eastern Mediterranean will have a rapid military intervention coalition of Cyprus, Egypt, Greece and Israel

N3am,we need to protect the EEZs,because now the Western and northern Europeans need gas. It's our chance!

 

[BON PLAN]

@Gomig-21 @Hydration @Ghostkiller @joker88 @BON PLAN @Vergennes

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MoD Nikos Panagiotopoulos with his FDI HN scale model


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Minister of Foreign Affairs Nikos Dendias with his model,gifted to him by the French Embassy

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If certain problems are fixed,the ship will really be a strong frigate.

What do I mean? The French initially intended the FDI to be the replacement to the La Fayette class. The FDI is supposed to escort aircraft carriers or be with other ships,using its powerful SeaFire radar and its sonars,while being protected by other vessels,submarines and Rafale M jet fighters. Thus,they only included 16 Aster-15/30 missiles and no CIWS.

The Greek navy asked for 32 Aster-30 and a RAM.

But then,there was the problem with the ECM,the ship had no ECM. The French had said they would develop a new one just for the FDI,but they gave vague dates like 2028 for the completion or even later. They also didn't even have decoys planned to be installed on their version of the ship. Ptisi noticed the other day,that they don't even have an IRIST (which Ptisi suggested we should pressure them to installe Vampire NG or PRAXIO on our ships,if I remember correctly).


So imagine,after our initial enthusiasm,we started wondering what we're buying after all. A ship with a great AESA radar,some of the best sonars and the best AA missiles in the world,but without an ECM,EW,decoys,IRIST and with the RAM and second Sylver cell for the second batch of 16 Aster-30 to be installed in Greece,after we receive it.

@Akritas has explained in previous posts about the decoys we will place and the ECM we could possibly install,if they haven't finished their new one,but still you see that a lot of Greeks are now thinking that the Dutch offer might have been better. But again...the Dutch didn't support us politically and diplomatically in 2019-2020 during the crisis with Turkey and also...the ship is great if these things are installed.

All is in the purchase agreement, discussed for months....
So if there is no ECM, it was crystal clear for Greek top brass. Same for IRST...

I think the delay was short, so a first standard ship will be deliverd asap, with upgrades including in the contract to follow after that, as for exemple the Indian rafale delivered without the indian spec, but fitted with after.

 

[Foinikas]

All is in the purchase agreement, discussed for months....
So if there is no ECM, it was crystal clear for Greek top brass. Same for IRST...

I think the delay was short, so a first standard ship will be deliverd asap, with upgrades including in the contract to follow after that, as for exemple the Indian rafale delivered without the indian spec, but fitted with after.

Naval Group and Thales say there will be an ECM.

There's a lot of debate online about the ship the last few months. Some Greeks defend the Navy's choices and say everything will be installed and others are against it and defend the other offers (American,Dutch and British mostly). Some defence sites write certain things,others write different.

 

[BON PLAN]

Naval Group and Thales say there will be an ECM.

There's a lot of debate online about the ship the last few months. Some Greeks defend the Navy's choices and say everything will be installed and others are against it and defend the other offers (American,Dutch and British mostly). Some defence sites write certain things,others write different.

The sole real thing is that there is a sole inked deal : the FDI one. And as there was a fierce competition, you can be sure than these frigates will be well armed.

 

[Foinikas]

The sole real thing is that there is a sole inked deal : the FDI one. And as there was a fierce competition, you can be sure than these frigates will be well armed.

I think Akritas had posted this,but there you are

 

[Akritas]

First photo of a Hellenic Air Force Rafale F-3R fitted with an AM-39 Exocet anti ship missile.

 

[BON PLAN]

First photo of a Hellenic Air Force Rafale F-3R fitted with an AM-39 Exocet anti ship missile.

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I hope to see a 2 Exocet config open soon.

 

[Akritas]

Arrival of the 9th Rafale at 114 Fighter Wing/Tanagra Air Base on Dec 2nd.
Waiting for another three by the end of the year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598771776430886912

 

[Foinikas]

Today is the Feast Day of Saint Nicholas,the Patron Saint of the Hellenic Navy

Saint Nicholas - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Here is a video about the Elli frigate,a dutch S frigate serving the Hellenic Navy for decades. The video is in Greek,but you can see the ship

 

[Akritas]

The SPIKE NLOS Long Range Multi-Role Anti-Tank Missile Systems procurement program isthe most "mature" in terms of procedures to be promoted for contract award. It started as a program for the Greek Army, in order to cover the operational requirements of the Infantry and the Air Force, but then it was extended to the Navy, to cover the requirements of the Surveillance Vessels Command and the Greek SEALS(OYK) Command.

Greek Infantry will integrate into Anti-Tank Companies (LAT) 17 systems that will consist of two fire units on a vehicle (4x4) and a similar Orbiter-type organic UAV vehicle. The systems come with a stock of 340 projectiles, i.e. 10 projectiles per fire unit and 20 per system. The cost amounts to approximately €270 million.

Greek Army Aviation will equip 9 AH-64A+ Apache helicopters with the weapon out of 19 it has and are scheduled to undergo a limited upgrade program. The helicopters will be upgraded in terms of their avionics by Elbit Systems. The program of 9 SPIKE NLOS systems for the helicopters, with 100 missiles, costs approximately €45 million, while the cost of upgrading the 19 helicopters approaches €40 million.

Spike NLOS is a multi-purpose, electro-optical/infrared missile system. Its advanced rocket motor provides capability to reach ranges up to 32 kilometers.
Orbiter-type organic UAV is a mini unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) where, depending on the type, it has a range of up to 100 km.

Τα προγράμματα SPIKE NLOS για το Πεζικό και την Αεροπορία Στρατού - Δούρειος Ίππος

Το πρόγραμμα προμήθειας Αντιαρματικών Πυραυλικών Συστημάτων Πολλαπλών Ρόλων Μεγάλου Βεληνεκούς SPIKE NLOS, είναι όπως έχουμε

doureios.com

 

[Foinikas]

The SPIKE NLOS Long Range Multi-Role Anti-Tank Missile Systems procurement program isthe most "mature" in terms of procedures to be promoted for contract award. It started as a program for the Greek Army, in order to cover the operational requirements of the Infantry and the Air Force, but then it was extended to the Navy, to cover the requirements of the Surveillance Vessels Command and the Greek SEALS(OYK) Command.
Greek Infantry will integrate into Anti-Tank Companies (LAT) 17 systems that will consist of two fire units on a vehicle (4x4) and a similar Orbiter-type organic UAV vehicle. The systems come with a stock of 340 projectiles, i.e. 10 projectiles per fire unit and 20 per system. The cost amounts to approximately €270 million.
Greek Army Aviation will equip 9 AH-64A+ Apache helicopters with the weapon out of 19 it has and are scheduled to undergo a limited upgrade program. The helicopters will be upgraded in terms of their avionics by Elbit Systems. The program of 9 SPIKE NLOS systems for the helicopters, with 100 missiles, costs approximately €45 million, while the cost of upgrading the 19 helicopters approaches €40 million.

Τα προγράμματα SPIKE NLOS για το Πεζικό και την Αεροπορία Στρατού - Δούρειος Ίππος

Το πρόγραμμα προμήθειας Αντιαρματικών Πυραυλικών Συστημάτων Πολλαπλών Ρόλων Μεγάλου Βεληνεκούς SPIKE NLOS, είναι όπως έχουμε

doureios.com

Man,I read the rest of the article yesterday and if it's true,the Israelis are worse than the French when it comes to offers.

I was even thinking of posting a thread about it! I was shocked at how they handled our demands! I thought we had good cooperation and friendship on a defense level!