Greece worries about Turkish defence program

[Oublious]

They are worried. Time for Egypt to get a base on Cyprus.

Yeah if you have the money for you can open.

 

[MMM-E]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/turkey-military-coup/img/abandoned-weapons.jpg

Will see.

They were not 600.000 of Turkish Armed Forces ,, They were a few thousands of FETO terrorists in the Turkish Armed Forces and brave Turkish soldiers , police and people kicked the US backed FETO terrorists on july 15


real Turkish Armed Forces and everybody will see as like in N.Iraq , N.Syria and now Eastern Mediterranean

 

[Hell NO]

I am gonna be honest here Turks are either high on nationalism or really don't know the basics (can't blame them the forum isnt offering as much as it used to anymore).
You are surrounded by either hostile powers from Kurd and arabs in Syria and Iraq to Greeks in Cyprus and Greece all of them claiming land that is under your control so any enemy wouldn't just fight you on one front(tell me how would your cruise missile fight a heavily support Kurdish uprising giving the mountainous terrain).
You don't have a single capable ally in fact you have managed to create enemies from regional to international powers and even super powers countries that have no interest in being your enemy e.g. Egypt/US/Germany/Saudi/UAE.

If you think Egypt doesn't have the Money (not gonna talk about the 100+ aircrafts we acquired in the last couple of years or the aircrafts carriers all of them surface or submarines) do you think Egypt is gonna struggle to get support against turkey the list of countries that would be willing to help.

Do you also understand that Egypt already have aircrafts stationed in Greece (your doorstep) meanwhile you have no presence anywhere near Egypt meaning you can't even touch us (tell me again how much damage can a couple of unproven missiles from max range can do against one of the best air defense in the world)

Not gonna talk about ground or air defense because no one in his right mind would even thing about a Turkish superiority in these fields. military industry Turkish forces have a clear advantage but they are gonna be in the middle of the war meanwhile Egyptian ones are gonna be safe far away.
Airforce can't even see how your airforce would even stand to the Egyptians and Greek airforce(Egypt in the last couple of years entered 54 mig29m into service).
Navy you have a clear edge their but giving how Greek island almost surround all of your cost making it extremely dangerous to leave port without being spotted or targeted by land based anti ship +superior airforce.
Your submarines are gonna be the only source of threat.not gonna be an easy war certainly a clash of regional Titian's.

In conclusion can't see how you would win an unlikely (impossible) war against egypt.

The fact that you think s400 is the magic solution that would stop the Greeks from flying is laughable (tell me again how are you gonna deal with s300)

 

[HttpError]

there are 40.000 Turkish soldiers in N.Cyprus ..... Turkish Airforce is 5 minutes away from N.Cyprus
and superior Turkish Navy is in action in the Eastern Mediterranean
also land based 220+km ATMACA anti ship Missiles , 250+ km SOM cruise Missiles and 280km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles can destroy all trash Egyptian or Greek Navies and Bases in the Eastern Mediterranean and in Southern Cyprus

and by 2019 S400 air Defense Systems will block half of Eastern Mediterranean including all Cyprus

so weak poor Egypt and Greece are nothing ...... know your place or Turkish Armed Forces will show your place

We would like to join you guys to kick their asses.

 

[Hell NO]

We would like to join you guys to kick their asses.

Yeah sure, there is always a place for more in the harem.

 

[Oublious]

I am gonna be honest here Turks are either high on nationalism or really don't know the basics (can't blame them the forum isnt offering as much as it used to anymore).
You are surrounded by either hostile powers from Kurd and arabs in Syria and Iraq to Greeks in Cyprus and Greece all of them claiming land that is under your control so any enemy wouldn't just fight you on one front(tell me how would your cruise missile fight a heavily support Kurdish uprising giving the mountainous terrain).
You don't have a single capable ally in fact you have managed to create enemies from regional to international powers and even super powers countries that have no interest in being your enemy e.g. Egypt/US/Germany/Saudi/UAE.

If you think Egypt doesn't have the Money (not gonna talk about the 100+ aircrafts we acquired in the last couple of years or the aircrafts carriers all of them surface or submarines) do you think Egypt is gonna struggle to get support against turkey the list of countries that would be willing to help.

Do you also understand that Egypt already have aircrafts stationed in Greece (your doorstep) meanwhile you have no presence anywhere near Egypt meaning you can't even touch us (tell me again how much damage can a couple of unproven missiles from max range can do against one of the best air defense in the world)

Not gonna talk about ground or air defense because no one in his right mind would even thing about a Turkish superiority in these fields. military industry Turkish forces have a clear advantage but they are gonna be in the middle of the war meanwhile Egyptian ones are gonna be safe far away.
Airforce can't even see how your airforce would even stand to the Egyptians and Greek airforce(Egypt in the last couple of years entered 54 mig29m into service).
Navy you have a clear edge their but giving how Greek island almost surround all of your cost making it extremely dangerous to leave port without being spotted or targeted by land based anti ship +superior airforce.
Your submarines are gonna be the only source of threat.not gonna be an easy war certainly a clash of regional Titian's.

In conclusion can't see how you would win an unlikely (impossible) war against egypt.

The fact that you think s400 is the magic solution that would stop the Greeks from flying is laughable (tell me again how are you gonna deal with s300)

Well we have enough submarine to terrorize your coast, and ther is nothing egypt can do about that. Navy is nothing and you don't have nothing against to counter that. Your fighters in Greec will be in the range of our cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. We will get F35 and it is game over for Egypt. Regional Titans more like thugs to steal.


about the money you should thank Gulfies, and aid from america like the latest apaches.

 

[damm1t]

You don't have a single capable ally in fact you have managed to create enemies from regional to international powers and even super powers countries that have no interest in being your enemy e.g. Egypt/US/Germany/Saudi/UAE.

If you think Egypt doesn't have the Money (not gonna talk about the 100+ aircrafts we acquired in the last couple of years or the aircrafts carriers all of them surface or submarines) do you think Egypt is gonna struggle to get support against turkey the list of countries that would be willing to help.

Do you also understand that Egypt already have aircrafts stationed in Greece (your doorstep) meanwhile you have no presence anywhere near Egypt meaning you can't even touch us (tell me again how much damage can a couple of unproven missiles from max range can do against one of the best air defense in the world)

Not gonna talk about ground or air defense because no one in his right mind would even thing about a Turkish superiority in these fields. military industry Turkish forces have a clear advantage but they are gonna be in the middle of the war meanwhile Egyptian ones are gonna be safe far away.
Airforce can't even see how your airforce would even stand to the Egyptians and Greek airforce(Egypt in the last couple of years entered 54 mig29m into service).
Navy you have a clear edge their but giving how Greek island almost surround all of your cost making it extremely dangerous to leave port without being spotted or targeted by land based anti ship +superior airforce.
Your submarines are gonna be the only source of threat.not gonna be an easy war certainly a clash of regional Titian's.

In conclusion can't see how you would win an unlikely (impossible) war against egypt.

The fact that you think s400 is the magic solution that would stop the Greeks from flying is laughable (tell me again how are you gonna deal with s300)

1 - You have no aircraft carrier. Your Mistrals are a sitting duck and first to go.
2 - If we go on war, we won't rely on allies like Arabs.
3 - Greece is in range of Turkish missiles.
4 - Turkey has better navy, airforce and land forces.
5 - Turkey's weapons are local.

about the money you should thank Gulfies, and aid from america like the latest apaches.

No problem about money, Sisi sells another island to Saudis or whoever pays

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Greece is the grand daddy of western civilization. Anyone who touches Greece dies. Serious.

 

[Senang Diri]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/world/turkey-military-coup/img/abandoned-weapons.jpg

Will see.

We saw their "might" during the Mavi Marmara incident. They bark loudest under NATO auspices. Yet to take any action against a country with a strong military, like say, Israel.

If they can defeat Israel, I would be glad to change my opinion.

 

[cabatli_53]

I am gonna be honest here Turks are either high on nationalism or really don't know the basics (can't blame them the forum isnt offering as much as it used to anymore).
You are surrounded by either hostile powers from Kurd and arabs in Syria and Iraq to Greeks in Cyprus and Greece all of them claiming land that is under your control so any enemy wouldn't just fight you on one front(tell me how would your cruise missile fight a heavily support Kurdish uprising giving the mountainous terrain).
You don't have a single capable ally in fact you have managed to create enemies from regional to international powers and even super powers countries that have no interest in being your enemy e.g. Egypt/US/Germany/Saudi/UAE.

If you think Egypt doesn't have the Money (not gonna talk about the 100+ aircrafts we acquired in the last couple of years or the aircrafts carriers all of them surface or submarines) do you think Egypt is gonna struggle to get support against turkey the list of countries that would be willing to help.

Do you also understand that Egypt already have aircrafts stationed in Greece (your doorstep) meanwhile you have no presence anywhere near Egypt meaning you can't even touch us (tell me again how much damage can a couple of unproven missiles from max range can do against one of the best air defense in the world)

Not gonna talk about ground or air defense because no one in his right mind would even thing about a Turkish superiority in these fields. military industry Turkish forces have a clear advantage but they are gonna be in the middle of the war meanwhile Egyptian ones are gonna be safe far away.
Airforce can't even see how your airforce would even stand to the Egyptians and Greek airforce(Egypt in the last couple of years entered 54 mig29m into service).
Navy you have a clear edge their but giving how Greek island almost surround all of your cost making it extremely dangerous to leave port without being spotted or targeted by land based anti ship +superior airforce.
Your submarines are gonna be the only source of threat.not gonna be an easy war certainly a clash of regional Titian's.

In conclusion can't see how you would win an unlikely (impossible) war against egypt.

The fact that you think s400 is the magic solution that would stop the Greeks from flying is laughable (tell me again how are you gonna deal with s300)

Turks are serious people to protect National benefits (EEZ and FIR) in all around our borders but what is the purpose of your presence with playing stupid fanboy games in here while claiming that Egyptians will sacrifice their lives for the sake of Greeks ? Delusion will drive the nations into sh@thole since you are not talking about ISIS that you can not defeat on Sinai since years but Turkish Republic with way advanced than anything you can imagine. As said above, Turks are ambitious nation to protect even an inch of national benefits/zones while you are gifting your island to Saudis for the sake of monetary support. All weapons you have brought are way downgraded variant systems which lack serious electronic counter measure, torpedo counter measure and mid to long range striking/defenive capability but you suddenly started to play hostile “bigboy” games against a fast advancing and promising states. Your dictator’s promise may boost your ego, while staying in front of a laptop screen but It would be the Egyptian young sailors and soldiers that will suffer while playing dangerous games for the sake of just political reason.

EU member Greeks who receive billion $ defence funds from EU, went a huge financial disaster while making an arm race against Turkish defence industry and they have to sell almost all properties to their big brothers to survive since years. They have already been struggling with around 450-500 billion $ dept in those days. What makes you think Egypt, with a way less capable and productive economy than Greeks (Even In crises times, Greko economy is almost equal to yours) will pose a threat bigger than Greeks? If you wanna make a pissing race with Turks(I don’t advice), I believe you have to give half of your land parts as a gift to your masters for politic and economic supports so I advice you to realize what you are talking. Siding with Greeks in Aegean and Med do not make any sense in our minds in peace times until the day when you crossed our paths in Turkish EEZ, then your Muslim background wouldn’t help your navy to survive. Feel free to play keyboard warrior games on net but I do not advice you examine the determination of Turks on field.

 

[MMM-E]

You are surrounded by either hostile powers from Kurd and arabs in Syria and Iraq to Greeks in Cyprus and Greece all of them claiming land that is under your control so any enemy wouldn't just fight you on one front(tell me how would your cruise missile fight a heavily support Kurdish uprising giving the mountainous terrain)

You are talking about loser ugly smelly terrorists Pkk/Ypg and little lapdogs S.Arabia and Uae , pathetic slaves weak-poor Greece and Southern Cyprus ?

Turkish Armed Forces kicked loser Pkk/Ypg in Turkey , Iraq and Syria .. AFRIN city has fallen so keep crying

Turkish Armed Forces dont need Cruise Missiles to kick Pkk/Ypg terrorists ,,, Turkish Army killed over 15.000 Pkk/Ypg terrorists in Turkey,Iraq and Syria in the last 3 years

and Turkish Army thousands of soldiers , Tanks , Howitzers , IFVs are in Iraq and Syria

Thanks to Turkish defense Industry and highly diciplined , brave and experienced Turkish mountain Commandos , Gendarme and Police special Forces also Turkish Army special forces MAROON BERETS , Turkish Navy special forces SAS and SAT

Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 and ANKA-S UCAVs
Turkish TAI T129 Attack Helicopters
Turkish T-155 STORM Howitzers
Turkish TRG-122 guided MLRS
Turkish TRG-300 guided MLRS
Turkish laser guided and smart Bombs LGK , KGK , HGK , TEBER
Turkish GOKTURK Military Satellite
Turkish Advanced Electronic Warfare Systems



Turkish Military Bases in N.Cyprus , N.Iraq , Qatar , Somali , Sudan

The fact that you think s400 is the magic solution that would stop the Greeks from flying is laughable (tell me again how are you gonna deal with s300)

very funny

S300 and PATRIOT Air Defense Systems , Air bases and Jet hangars , Navy and Naval ports , military and strategic targets in Greece-Greek Islands will be destroyed by the Turkish Army ( 120km TRG-300 guided MLRS , 150km J600T and 165 km ATACMS and 280km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missiles )

also Turkish Airforce hundreds of smart bombs and cruise missiles

-- 77 km POPEYE Cruise Missiles
-- 110km KGK smart Bombs
-- 130 km AGM-154 JSOWs
-- 150km AGM-88 HARM anti radiation Missiles
-- 280 km AGM-84 SLAM-ER Cruise Missiles
-- 300km SOM Cruise Missiles ( land attack / anti ship missiles )





and Nobody can enter Turkish/Turkish capriot EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

There are 40.000 Turkish soldiers , hundreds of Tanks,Howitzers,MLRS,IFVs in Nothern Cyprus

-- Turkish Navy 16 Frigates armed with over 900 SM-1 and ESSM 50km air defense Missiles
-- Turkish Navy 16 Frigates , 4 ADA class Corvettes , 22 FACs and 8 Submarines armed with over 350 HARPOON anti ship Missiles

-- Turkish Airforce 163 CCIP modernized F-16C/D ( block52 standard ) can be armed with 326 SOM Cruise Missiles ( land attack / anti ship missiles ) and 652 AIM-120 , AIM-9x air to air Missiles

-- Turkish Airforce 30 F-16C/D block50+ Fighter Jets can be armed with 60 AGM-88 HARM anti radiation Missiles ( 150km ) and 120 AIM-120 , AIM-9x air to air Missiles

-- Turkish Airforce 48 modernized F-4 TERMINATOR Jets can be armed with 192 SOM Cruise Missiles ( land attack / anti ship missiles )

-- also by 2019-2020 Turkish Airforce will have S400 Air Defense Systems with 192 of 250km 48N6 air defense missiles to block air space in the Eastern Mediterranean ( no fly zoner over Turkish/Turkish capriot EZZ in the Eastern Mediterranean )


-- also Turkish Navy will have 10 new type FACs to protect Turkish/Turkish capriot EEZ in the Eastern Mediterranean

- 62/63 meters
- 50/55 knots speed
- 250km SMART-S 3D Radar
- 76 mm Oto Melara super rapid gun
- 21 x RAM
- 8 x ATMACA Anti ship Missiles ... ( range of 220+ km )



-- also land based 220+ km ATMACA Anti ship Missiles to protect Turkish EEZ

even I am not talking about new game changer weapons between 2019 and 2026

-- AKINCI UCAV ( 1300kg payload for AESA Radar even SOM Cruise Missile )
-- more T-129 and ATAK-II heavy attack Helicopters with Turkish turboshaft engine
-- 60 F-35A stealth Fighter Jets ... ( total of 100 until 2030)
-- 4 Airborne stand off Jammer Aircrafts
-- 6 ATR-72 AWS Aircrafts
-- 4 of 600+ km EIRS early warning AESA Radars
-- 4 MILGEM I class stealth Frigates ( 64 x ESSM air defense missiles and 16x ATMACA anti ship missiles )
-- TF-2000 class Destroyer
-- 6 U-214TN class AIP Submarines
-- TCG ANADOLU Amphibious Assault Ship
-- HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
-- HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System
-- SIPER high altitude Air Defense System
-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1000+ km BORA Ballistic Missile
-- RAMJET powered supersonic ( mach 2,9 ) speed anti ship Missile
-- 25 km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile
-- 65 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile ( also there will be land based variant )

also 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs and KORAL Radar Electronic Warfare System are in service



and Turkey has bigger economy than Greece+Egypt+Israel combined

Weak Greece and Egypt have no power to match with the Turkish Armed Forces in the Eastern Mediterranean

btw smart the US and Israel wants to use stupid puppets terrorist kurds ,S.Arabia and Uae in Syria
and another stupid puppets Greece and Egypt in the Eastern Mediterranean

in reality the US and Israel never fight against Turkey ,,, You are alone ... Good luck you will need it

 

[UKBengali]

Why is anyone paying attention to what Greece thinks?

Turkey by 2030 will be as strong conventionally as Russia,
with the ability to produce all it's own weapons systems, apart from turbofan engines for it's 5th gen fighter.

 

[azyr]

... apart from turbofan engines for it's 5th gen fighter.

we're working on it though

If everything goes according to plan 2030 will mark the year when the engine goes into mass production. BUT knowing my country that might get delayed back to 2035'ish or so.

 

[UKBengali]

we're working on it though

If everything goes according to plan 2030 will mark the year when the engine goes into mass production. BUT knowing my country that might get delayed back to 2035'ish or so.

I do not think that Turkey can develop a competitive engine for TF-X even in the 2030s. They will still be reliant on UK or US for the engine.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Do what ever you want with it.
Just to show you none of you is really superior to each other.