Greece vs Turkiye Military Power : Tactical and Strategic Advantages

[Foinikas]

Greece is a bandit country violates 1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris


According to Article 13 of the Treaty of Lausanne, signed in 1923
“With a view to ensuring the maintenance of peace, the Greek Government undertakes to observe the following restrictions in the islands of Mytilene, Chios, Samos and Nikaria:
No naval base and no fortification will be established in the said islands

The Dodecanese islands were handed over to Italy with the Treaty of Ouchy signed after the 1912 Turco-Italian War and remained under Italian sovereignty until the 1947 Treaty of Paris.

With Italy taking the side of the defeated countries in World War II, the Treaty of Paris was signed with the Allied countries on Feb. 10, 1947, and these islands were ceded to Greece.

Under the treaty, it was decided that the Dodecanese islands and the small nearby islets would not be militarized.

“These islands shall be and shall remain demilitarised

Didn't you read my post? If you didn't,go back and read it.

If you read it and keep saying your trash,then talk to the hand.

Turkey's foreign policy is schizophrenic and bipolar.

First you guys say that Turkey is out of our league,that Greece cannot be compared to Turkey,that no matter how much we arm,we don't have a chance against you.

THEN,you say that the tiny garissons on the islands,which have a purely defensive role...are actually a threat to big Turkey.

All the while,you have entire armies and bases on the other side.


The bandit,lying and scheming country is Turkey,not Greece. You are the ones who want no peace,no friendship and no good neigborhood,by wanting everything and by bullying everyone.

Oh,you just care for your interests? Well then **** off,our interests too.

Under the treaty, it was decided that the Dodecanese islands and the small nearby islets would not be militarized.

The Treaty was between Greece and Italy,not Greece and Turkey. Italy has no problem with it.

Go read my post and stop talking shit.

 

[MMM-E]

Trophy is relative slow, especially compared to Rheinmetall ADS/StrikeShield (built in with AMAP modules).
And radar based, so very high signature.
Is Trophy effective against APFSDS?
ADS is.
It's nice that it qualified against APFSDS-rounds in the 2000s.
I mean still better than crappy "turkish" (ukrainian copied) APS.

Crappy German or İsraeli APS can not stop Turkish UCAVs .... not even close

death comes from above ...lol


btw PULAT Active Protection System for M60TM Tanks
and Aselsan AKKOR Active Protection System for ALTAY Tank

Sometimes I wish Germans would rush their products like the Turks.
Then we would already have the 130mm.

still dreaming about outdated war concept from ww2 .. pathetic Germans


superior Turkish Army can destroy German Leopard2 Tanks from 70-150 km away with TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missiles

warhead of 50 kg .... only Turkish Army has this technology in Europe

 

[MMM-E]

Didn't you read my post? If you didn't,go back and read it.

1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris says everything

no need to read tales from daydreamer Greeks

Turkey's foreign policy is schizophrenic and bipolar.

Greece is a puppet which use by USA,France against Turkiye
as like PKK/YPG Terrorists

THEN,you say that the tiny garissons on the islands,which have a purely defensive role...are actually a threat to big Turkey.

All the while,you have entire armies and bases on the other side.

Turkiye doesnt violates international agreements
Turkiye doesnt attack on Greece or Greek Islands

but daydreamer Greece violates int'l agreements by arming 16 islands
daydreamer Greece has big dreams and occuiped our Islands
daydreamer Greece has big dreams to increase territorial waters to 12nm

puppet Greece , PKK/YPG are waiting for green light from USA-France against Turkiye

as like 100 years ago Greeks came with dreams of capturing Anatolia from the Turks but ended up going back to Athens swimming

 

[Foinikas]

1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris says everything

no need to read tales from daydreamer Greeks





Greece is a puppet which use by USA,France against Turkiye
as like PKK/YPG Terrorists





Turkiye doesnt violates international agreements
Turkiye doesnt attack on Greece or Greek Islands

but daydreamer Greece violates int'l agreements by arming 16 islands
daydreamer Greece has big dreams and occuiped our Islands
daydreamer Greece has big dreams to increase territorial waters to 12nm

puppet Greece , PKK/YPG are waiting for green light from USA-France against Turkiye

as like 100 years ago Greeks came with dreams of capturing Anatolia from the Turks but ended up going back to Athens swimming

Why am I arguing with a crazy,deluded person who refuses to debate when he's shown evidence and goes back to saying the same things again and again,in an endless loop???

 

[Attila the Hun]

Why am I arguing with a crazy,deluded person who refuses to debate when he's shown evidence and goes back to saying the same things again and again,in an endless loop???

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You argue with him every single day ... is this your life? lol

 

[MMM-E]

Why am I arguing with a crazy,deluded person who refuses to debate when he's shown evidence and goes back to saying the same things again and again,in an endless loop???

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1923 Treaty of Lausanne, 1947 Treaty of Paris says everything , you daydreamer deluded Greeks

ERDOGAN , AKAR , CAVUSOGLU always warned daydreamer MICO , DENDIAS , but small nations like Greeks prefer being a puppet

USA-EU provoked Ukraine against Russia
and Ukraine lost Crimea , Don-Bas and Ukranian cities were destroyed

puppet liar Greeks , hidding behind USA-EU and barking
dont worry we will kick your tranny butt again just like 1922,1974,1996

 

[Foinikas]

You argue with him every single day ... is this your life? lol

Well,I was bored. Everyone's out of town

 

[Germanpeter]

So funny
Still dreaming about European Armies .... what about tiny weak European Armies ?

NO Ucavs
NO Tactical Ballistic Missiles
NO long range guided MLRS
NO laser guided supersonic Missile
NO land based Cruise Missile
NO mobile Radar Electronic Warfare System
NO real conflict experienced Army

Turkish Army has everything ... superior technology ..quality and quantity

-- Turkish Army has more UCAVs then all Europe combined
-- Turkish Army has more Howitzers than German+French+British+İtalian Armies combined
-- Turkish Army has more MLRS than German+French+British+İtalian Armies combined
-- Turkish Army has the best anti-Tank missile power in Europe
-- Turkish Army has the best Ballistic missile power in Europe
-- Turkish Army has the best Attack Hellicopter fleet in Europe


Turkish Army is 2nd strongest Army in NATO after the US Army

You speak honestly like a toddler whose pacifier has been taken away. Any medium-sized country willing to invest some resources can develop its own drone industry like Turkiye. For no other country are drones geographically and geopolitically better suited than Turkiye. So this has something to do with necessity.

I don't see any tactics or a discussion here, just the cheapest trolls and the kindergarten. Only that much.


Greece has absolutely nothing that would even remotely matter in a real conflict, sad as that may sound. A quick look at the map is enough. The conflict would be centered on the island just off the Turkish border and would not last many hours. It's absolutely impossible to defend this whole island. I even bet that Greece will go into shock and not react at all and frankly can't and actually insist on the empty promises of the US. Unfortunately, Greece does not have good politicians.

 

[Foinikas]

I even bet that Greece will go into shock and not react at all and frankly can't and actually insist on the empty promises of the US. Unfortunately, Greece does not have good politicians.

The islands that actually have military presence,only have small garissons,mostly by Homeguard. The ones that have Air Defence,as is known,only have old OSA AKMs,some Skyguard VELOS and Stinger manpads.

When it comes to armor,the most they have is some M48A5 MOLF tanks,BMP-1s with ZSU-23-2 on them and M113s.

And that's for the biggest islands in the Eastern Aegean.

Yet,Turkey considers that as a threat. The truth is that realistically,these islands can't be defended against a Turkish invasion. They can at best hold some of the Turkish forces off and cause casualties,until the Navy arrives and the rest of the army is mobilized.

 

[MMM-E]

Any medium-sized country willing to invest some resources can develop its own drone industry like Turkiye.

another little boy who knows nothing about worldwide military

-- big country India failed to develop RUSTAM UCAV and buying UAV-UCAV from Israel
-- Germany-France still dreaming about EUROMALE UAV for 2028
-- Italy is till dreaming about SELEX UCAV
-- big Russia has no its own high capacity UCAV

only USA-İsrael-Turkiye-China in the world


Pathetic boys stop dreaming and wake up
Turkiye is not developing only UCAV , but also 750+ military projects

 

[retaxis]

With Turkey economy in free fall it is very likely Turkey will end up in Civil war that last a decade. Greece will take this opportunity to take back Constantinople and Western Anatolia.

 

[MMM-E]

Greece has absolutely nothing that would even remotely matter in a real conflict, sad as that may sound. A quick look at the map is enough. The conflict would be centered on the island just off the Turkish border and would not last many hours. It's absolutely impossible to defend this whole island. I even bet that Greece will go into shock and not react at all and frankly can't and actually insist on the empty promises of the US. Unfortunately, Greece does not have good politicians.

USA-France-Germany use Greece as a pawn against Turkiye , because of daydreamer Greek politicians

Greek politicians thinks USA-EU will fight Turkiye for Greece .. but Nobody will fight for Greece



İn a war Greece will lose Islands .... Greece never can defend Islands


1... All Air bases , jet hangars , air defense systems , military targets are in range of Turkish Armed Forces missile fire power ( TRG-122 , TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , ATACMS , J600T , BORA , HARM , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , JSOW , KGK , CAKIR , SOM , ATMACA , HARPOON block2 ) in Greece and Greek Islands

2 .. Turkiye has its own 250+ UCAV fleet to destroy all military targets in Islands
even military super power Russia lost big loses against 24 UCAVs in Ukraine

3 .. Islands are more closer to Turkiye than Greece
PATRIOT Air Defense Systems in Athens and Thessaloniki can not create no fly zone over Islands

but Turkiye can create no fly zone over Islands
thanks to S400 and SIPER high altitude Air Defense Systems , Fighter Jets , Boeing E-7T AEWCs , KC-135 Tankers , KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems

4 .. Greece is a small country , therefore all military targets in range of the Turkish Armed Forces

on the other hand , Turkiye is much bigger country with over width size of 1.500 km
Greek Armed Forces can not hit all military targets in Turkiye

5.. Greece has 10 million population , while Turkiye has 85 million population
Turkiye can organize 10 million soldiers if needed ,,, bigger than population of Greece

6 .. Turkish Army has great real conflict experience for 4th generation hybrid war , urban farfare and guerilla tactics


Turkiye's advantages
-- Geopolitics , bigger population , superior technology and superior fire power , larger weapon inventory , national defense industry and more experienced armed forces

 

[retaxis]

5.. Greece has 10 million population , while Turkiye has 85 million population
Turkiye can organize 10 million soldiers if needed ,,, bigger than population of Greece

Greece vs Turkey is like Israel vs Arabs. Greece will always win even outnumbered

 

[Foinikas]

1... All Air bases , jet hangars , air defense systems , military targets are in range of Turkish Armed Forces missile fire power ( TRG-122 , TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , ATACMS , J600T , BORA , HARM , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , JSOW , KGK , CAKIR , SOM , ATMACA , HARPOON block2 ) in Greece and Greek Islands

2 .. Turkiye has its own 250+ UCAV fleet to destroy all military targets in Islands
even military super power Russia lost big loses against 24 UCAVs in Ukraine

Repeat mode on again

An endless loop.

 

[Akritas]

Turkey persistently demanding de-militarization of Greece islands.
Turkey should follow its own words and de-militarize its Aegean coast.
It should withdraw its 4th army and the Army Aviation Regiments from Izmir.
It should also resign from Montreux convention & de-militarize the Dardanelles Straits.
It should close its naval bases in Phocea and Aksaz .
Withdraw their invasion army from Cyprus .