Greece vs Turkey

[DejanSRB]

I have been to greece 8 times and Turkey twice. There is no ways... I mean no ways you can compare the two; it is like comparing a backwater 3rd world with a modern day country.

Greece third world country? No way.

Greek average salary is nearly two times bigger then Turkish. (917euros vs 552 euros).
University of Athens is one of top 100 university in the world, Turkey dont have any in top 100.
Life expectancy in Greece is 81 vs 75 in Turkey.
Terrorism in Greece doesnt exist, Turks have problems with ISIL, PKK, internal disputes.
Human Devolpment Index of Greece is on another level when we compare it with Turkish HDI.

Simply, even in miserably economic situation, Greece is better place to live. That doesnt mean, that Turkey is hellhole, just need decades of improvement to be considered as industrialized country.

Secondly, you do realize for the Rennasisance to happen, The ancient works were preserved and expanded upon by the scientists of the ISLAMIC civilization. Look up the definition of the word rennaisance and put it in the context of world history.

That's the reason why rennaisance was born in Europe but not in Islamic world.

Western world made bigger contribution to humanity in last 120 years, then rest of the world combined in last 2000. FACT.

 

[Avicenna]

WRONG! What an utterly arrogant thing to say.

 

[Baybars Han]

Greece is a millinea old nation based on history. And Turkey? Well you know yourself.

You are an anonymous nation. You have no Aristoteles, no Platon, no Leonidas, no Epikur, no Plutarch, no Homer.

Sorry kid but we pissed on that millenia nation and took all their land from nothing. Just like our ancestors pissed on the Romans. We are here now from nothing in Anatolia.

That anonymous nation pissed on nearly all your combined crusades with the seljuks and ottomans not to mention previous times. You make me laugh.

 

[Baybars Han]

We could see turkey military capabilities in Syria when their soldiers did run away and let their tanks back.

The current status of turkish military is desolate. Most of its most experienced staff are not in office anymore.

And no...you have no famous philosophers or scientists. Your culture doesnt allows individualism and free thinking.

I never heard of those other than plato. I don't really need to. We have Evliya Çelebi, Piri Reis, Katib Çelebi, Hezarfen who was one of the first people to fly in the world, Seraffedin etc which was way ahead of those at the time.

 

[Baybars Han]

Anyway empire vs peasants. ...one on one the Greeks raped them .

Shh slave, we raped your ancestors and pissed on them. I love how all these previous slaves talking. Your country was not even on the world map kid.

 

[Baybars Han]

Let's talk about how the europeon was pissing their pants and had to call the pope to arrange Holy coalitions against one country lol.

You can see how scared they were ohhh poles you saved the europons in Vienna you. Turks come in their nightmares.

The combined empires of British, French, Russian, Greece and all their slaves couldn't destroy us at their prime and us at their weakest and they are still talking which makes me laugh.

For every Turkish humiliation in any sense I can show 2 European humiliation and these are usually not one country lol. Most Turkish wars was against atleast 2-3 combined European armies.

 

[Baybars Han]

Greece third world country? No way.

Greek average salary is nearly two times bigger then Turkish. (917euros vs 552 euros).
University of Athens is one of top 100 university in the world, Turkey dont have any in top 100.
Life expectancy in Greece is 81 vs 75 in Turkey.
Terrorism in Greece doesnt exist, Turks have problems with ISIL, PKK, internal disputes.
Human Devolpment Index of Greece is on another level when we compare it with Turkish HDI.

Simply, even in miserably economic situation, Greece is better place to live. That doesnt mean, that Turkey is hellhole, just need decades of improvement to be considered as industrialized country.



That's the reason why rennaisance was born in Europe but not in Islamic world.

Western world made bigger contribution to humanity in last 120 years, then rest of the world combined in last 2000. FACT.

Greek average living standards are better that's a fact, BUT that is if they are even working. Unemployment for the youth is around 50% and overall is like 25% which is absolutely terrible. Pension is worse and average wages dropping. I have been to Greece recently and most of them are in a very bad situation, there is protests every single day nearly.

However a working Greek gets better wages on average which is true obviously.

Other than that there is very little things Greek is ahead of.

 

[KingWest]

When will these tears dry? You guys have been crying since 1453, get over it already..

 

[damm1t]

When will these tears dry? You guys have been crying since 1453, get over it already..

Actually it's since 1071

 

[Oublious]

back to the topic.

some cutting edge technology against greece.

We have more SIGINT/ESM systems, cruise missiles, fighters and Tactical Ballistic Missiles. We will easily defeat greece.

SOM missile 250Km+.

Slam missile

Khaan missile

the list goes on, the tactical systems will be determined victory...

 

[ValerioAurelius]

Yea i say it again. Read up on heliocentrism and Galileo. If anything Galileo was a disruptor going against the values of society at that time. i.e. the Catholic Church.

Secondly, you do realize for the Rennasisance to happen, The ancient works were preserved and expanded upon by the scientists of the ISLAMIC civilization. Look up the definition of the word rennaisance and put it in the context of world history.

And where is a disruptor in the turkish society? Someone who rips the old shit apart and pushs for new? Galileomwas hunted by the church and protected by powerful leaders like the Medici clan in Fireze. In Turkey he would be called a Gulen member and put in prison.

Yes i do know how the Renaissance was able to flourish. When the Ottomans invaded Byzanz they started a killing spree and millions of artists and scientist did escape to Italy.

Sorry kid but we pissed on that millenia nation and took all their land from nothing. Just like our ancestors pissed on the Romans. We are here now from nothing in Anatolia.

That anonymous nation pissed on nearly all your combined crusades with the seljuks and ottomans not to mention previous times. You make me laugh.

Your ancestors pissed on Romans? Last time i checked your boss never was able to take italy, cried like a baby because of that and named himself Cesar of Rome even so he never stepped a foot into rome. Your constant tries to conquer Italy failed each time, and each time reduced your nation. In the end we put an end to this abomination and reduced it to what it is now.

Let's talk about how the europeon was pissing their pants and had to call the pope to arrange Holy coalitions against one country lol.

You can see how scared they were ohhh poles you saved the europons in Vienna you. Turks come in their nightmares.

The combined empires of British, French, Russian, Greece and all their slaves couldn't destroy us at their prime and us at their weakest and they are still talking which makes me laugh.

For every Turkish humiliation in any sense I can show 2 European humiliation and these are usually not one country lol. Most Turkish wars was against atleast 2-3 combined European armies.

I visited Turkey in 2013. Istanbul and Izmir. You have my sympathy. The way most of your people live is humilating. I hope it gets better in future.

 

[-SINAN-]

Greece vs Turkey...

You just don't compare wolf with sheep.

 

[DejanSRB]

@Sinan

No one compares Greek military to Turkish military.
But calling Greece third world country is bull$hit. Educated and rational people must reacted to things like this.

@Baybars Han
Did you forget about British protection of Ottoman Empire against Russia.
Crimean war was carried by Brits. When Russians was a few miles from Istanbul in second half of 19century, it was British diplomacy and their overhelming powerful navy that made Russian retreat, not Ottoman army.
No one cries about Ottoman domination. My country was nearly 400 years under Ottoman rule, and what? I have read Halil Inalcik, and I can make a bet in 100 euros that 90% of Turkish nationalists who are proud of mighty Ottoman empire, never heard of him.
No one tries to undermine Ottoman glory, just spare us that nationalist rethoric about "SPECIAL OTTOMAN EMPIRE, BEST EVER, NEVER DEFEATED, BEST BEST BEST".

Simply it was powerful empire but nothing better or worse then British, Russian, French, Persian....

 

[-SINAN-]

@Sinan

No one compares Greek military to Turkish military.
But calling Greece third world country is bull$hit. Educated and rational people must reacted to things like this.

I quickly looked at the posts of Turkish members. Nobody said "Greece is a third world country."

Also, it is not an appropriate time to discuss this as;

Greek coast guards fire on Turkish vessel in Aegean

Not a major incident but people got irritated with this last Greek behavior.

 

[Baybars Han]

And where is a disruptor in the turkish society? Someone who rips the old shit apart and pushs for new? Galileomwas hunted by the church and protected by powerful leaders like the Medici clan in Fireze. In Turkey he would be called a Gulen member and put in prison.

Yes i do know how the Renaissance was able to flourish. When the Ottomans invaded Byzanz they started a killing spree and millions of artists and scientist did escape to Italy.



Your ancestors pissed on Romans? Last time i checked your boss never was able to take italy, cried like a baby because of that and named himself Cesar of Rome even so he never stepped a foot into rome. Your constant tries to conquer Italy failed each time, and each time reduced your nation. In the end we put an end to this abomination and reduced it to what it is now.



I visited Turkey in 2013. Istanbul and Izmir. You have my sympathy. The way most of your people live is humilating. I hope it gets better in future.

I see Atilla as my ancestor too who raped the Romans countless times, then Ottomans came and raped the eastern roman empire(byzantine). Italy is nothing in the fall of the Ottomans don't try to act like you was something. Fact is we pissed in both the western and roman empire, totally destroyed the eastern Rome capital and put it to dust.

Today we occupy it. Muhaha. This was all from a few families that came to Anatolia and created something from nothing. So we gained a large country from virtually nothing while you lost everything.