Greece to put sanctions on Turkey over Hagia Sophia conversion

[LimaCharlie]

Hey, hey, nothing's going to happen even if you argue for days or weeks, this is the decision of the turkish govt. Let them be. Let's have just some peace here, PDF is not known for such things...

 

[bsruzm]

It is frustrating to see these idiots hating and bashing those Muslims who have actually done something for Islam unlike these internet warriors

 

[Safriz]

 

[Nasr]

Again, you are being evasive.

No I am NOT!

There are several reports in history books mentioning that Sahaba RA used to pray in Churches

Care to list them for us all to read and verify?

One such report mentions that Hazrat Abu Ayyub Ansari ra was the first Muslim to pray in Hagia Sophia

Please provide references and I shall do the same for the Hadith I referred to.

Quoting history books as 'absolute authority' on matters related to Fiqh/Religion is never a good idea

History is to analyze and discern fact from deception.

That's the entire point

Sure and I willing to engage with you in a constructive manner to achieve an understanding.

There are evidences provided that Sultan Mehmet purchased the Hagia Sophia and endowed it as a Waqf property. Legally, once the property is purchased, the purchaser can do anything he wants with it.

Coming back to the issue at present, you are asking for a property that is currently endowed as Waqf, to be handed over to another religion. Please advise on what Islamic ruling do you propose to justify the use of Waqf property for anything other than its original intention.

You can't purchase something to legitimize your claim, when you've already conquered the place. That just doesn't have any logic or rationale to it. Hagia Sophia is the center of Orthodox Christianity, how would Muslims react, if ever Christians conquer Arabia and convert the Holy Kaabah into a Cathedral?

 

[Leviza]

Basically everyone need to know the history before bring islam or islamic principals into this

the conqueror who got it in the war paid from his on pocket for this place and then converted into mosque
The Christians sold this place to Muslims for mosque



there is original document in available and shared on Twitter few days
When Sultan Mehmet conquered Constantinople at the age of 21 and ended the Byzantine Empire in 1453, he paid for the property of #HagiaSophia from his personal wealth before converting it into a mosque. The details of the renumeration are still saved in Turkish museums.

 

[Nasr]

I never said you are sinful for having friends from other faiths

I simply said you have friends in orthodox Christianity while hating on fellow Muslims and particularly those group of Muslims who were declared jannati by none other than Prophet Mohammed (PBUH)

Read again

Also show us the proof that i have been asking

I do not hate fellow Muslims, Muslims be they Turk, Iranian, Arabian, Egyptian or even Indian, are my brothers and sisters, so long as we confirm to Islam, the teachings of our beloved Prophet Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam and establish the rule of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah in Islamic lands.

We do that by making allies with whom we stand for justice and use our acumen to eliminate fitna.

 

[xeuss]

You can't purchase something to legitimize your claim, when you've already conquered the place. That just doesn't have any logic or rationale to it. Hagia Sophia is the center of Orthodox Christianity, how would Muslims react, if ever Christians conquer Arabia and convert the Holy Kaabah into a Cathedral?

Conquest of Istanbul did not give you ownership of every property in the city. Perhaps you should read a little bit more instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You still evade the other part of the question. How do you propose to justify, using Islamic jurisprudence, to repurpose a Waqf property.

 

[Leviza]

Conquest of Istanbul did not give you ownership of every property in the city. Perhaps you should read a little bit more instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing.

You still evade the other part of the question. How do you propose to justify, using Islamic jurisprudence, to repurpose an Waqf property.

See my last post on this group

yes it doesn’t give all properties but when they sold it to the sultan then what ever he want can do

I have seen so many churches converted into mosque in Uk as well.

No I am NOT!



Care to list them for us all to read and verify?



Please provide references and I shall do the same for the Hadith I referred to.



History is to analyze and discern fact from deception.



Sure and I willing to engage with you in a constructive manner to achieve an understanding.



You can't purchase something to legitimize your claim, when you've already conquered the place. That just doesn't have any logic or rationale to it. Hagia Sophia is the center of Orthodox Christianity, how would Muslims react, if ever Christians conquer Arabia and convert the Holy Kaabah into a Cathedral?

Please do study
Bahis Sophia was one of the main church for them but never close to holy kabah status

It was in Vatican City now and old church in Palestine

 

[dBSPL]

How many mosques remained in Greece?
Please do not count the hidden masjids that do not see the sun in the basements.

An individual who has not written a single word about this subject throughout his life and even has not expressed his objection before this in PDF; If today defends Greece theses about Ayasofya, there is a great hypocrisy and even invertebrate situation.

 

[Areesh]

I do not hate fellow Muslims, Muslims be they Turk, Iranian, Arabian, Egyptian or even Indian, are my brothers and sisters, so long as we confirm to Islam, the teachings of our beloved Prophet Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam and establish the rule of Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah in Islamic lands.

We do that by making allies with whom we stand for justice and use our acumen to eliminate fitna.

You hate turks. Your comments in this thread show that

Worse you hate people who conquered Constantinople

Anyways you failed to provide us with the proof that i asked you for

Let me repeat myself again. Show us from the Quran or hadeeth or act of Sahaba that we cannot convert a church into mosque even if we own it legally

 

[GumNaam]

At least they didn't destroy it and build a new mosque.

Wish they would. Architecture is horrific.

 

[Trango Towers]

Turning a place worship of non-Muslims, to a Masjid, is NOT Islam ... Period!!

It was a musjid for almost 500 years...

 

[PakFactor]

As a Muslim, perhaps you have been ignorant to the fact that Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam would not ever have done so. The proof of this fact is enacted by Hazrat Umar RadiAllah ta'aalah anho, who refused the invitation of the Christians to pray in their Church, upon the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem. He refused to pray in the Church, on grounds that some where in the future, some Muslims would use this incident as a pretext to converting the Church into a Masjid.

So your whole story about Ottoman Sultan purchasing the Hagia Sophia, and then converting it into a Masjid, has zero credibility whatsoever. I am sure that the Ottoman leader meant well and did it with the utmost care. However, his act, no matter how civil, does not conform to what Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam would do.

Also, your arrogance only blinds your ability to intellectually approach the subject. It has no effect on my capacity to respond to you. The "atypical" people of your nature, I come across on a daily basis, it ain't my first rodeo, friend.

@Nasr

I think you need to step back and re-look at this. Even my Masjid in the states we've purchased the 50,000 Sq. Ft building and converted the Church into a Masjid. The Ottomans' did the same thing, they purchased and converted it to a Masjid. What is wrong with that? No where in Hadith it says you can't do this, once you are the rightful owners. Going by your logic a 1/3 of US Masjids should be converted into museums after purchasing.

Now about the Hadith leaving places of worship alone, had he converted after conquering the Church it would have been a violation, hence his decision was to offer a fair value to the Church and do what he pleases.

I'm really wondering what triggered you to lash out -- I feel their's more to it than just converting a building, your acting like a Muslim apologist and frankly majority of the Muslim world are sick and tired of apologizing. Weak hand Muslims like you who immediately put up flags on Facebook of France & Co., are a real problem and hence the Ummah is weak.

Againg you are the dumb person who is claiming that turning a churce is not allowed to a masjied. Come to us with proof, come with Islamic jurisprudence.

How many mosques remained in Greece?
Please do not count the hidden masjids that do not see the sun in the basements.

An individual who has not written a single word about this subject throughout his life and even has not expressed his objection before this in PDF; If today defends Greece theses about Ayasofya, there is a great hypocrisy and even invertebrate situation.

Nasr has lost his mind.

 

[dBSPL]

@PakFactor Bro, he is proven troll which is always triggered when someones talk about Turkey or Turkish people. Last year, I noticed 7 or 8 people and followed them carefully what they spreading about Turks.. And every time, my work proved to be reliable. Never Surprised.

Last month, he was cryin again while saying that Istanbul's actual name is Konstantionopol. Of course, he did not write anything in PDF once, about the names of Lebanon, Iraq, Cezayir, Palestine, Libya or the cities of some Egypt before islamic conquests. While the ancient civilizations were falling, especially with the rise of Rome; Latino and Greek culture were dominant in the Mediterranean coastal cities and the middle east. It was the Islamic expansion that changed this situation.

When an issue arises though related to Turkey, always they starting to show a fake conscience. They then pour out their poisons with many insults and sometimes post-truth strategies. I recommend not taking him too seriously.

 

[PakFactor]

@PakFactor Bro, he is proven troll which is always triggered when someones talk about Turkey or Turkish people. Last year, I noticed 7 or 8 people and followed them carefully what they spreading about Turks.. And every time, my work proved to be reliable. Never Surprised.

Last month, he was cryin again while saying that Istanbul's actual name is Konstantionopol. Of course, he did not write anything in PDF once, about the names of Lebanon, Iraq, Cezayir, Palestine, Libya or the cities of some Egypt before islamic conquests. While the ancient civilizations were falling, especially with the rise of Rome; Latino and Greek culture were dominant in the Mediterranean coastal cities and the middle east. It was the Islamic expansion that changed this situation.

When an issue arises though related to Turkey, always they starting to show a fake conscience. They then pour out their poisons with many insults and sometimes post-truth strategies. I recommend not taking him too seriously.

Sounds good bro. It just Kurdoglu's like him silently do more damage to our cause on the side.