Featured Greece getting 18 Rafales, 8 are free from France

[LeGenD]

I am saying again even 4,5+ generation TFX Fighter Jet will be enough to match with Greek F-16V and Rafale , also Egyptian SU-35 and Rafale

Turkiye has enough technology to develop 4,5+ generation fighter jet and turbofan engine .... but needs more time ( 10 years )

also Turkiye has great Electronic Warfare and UCAV technologies
MIUS jet engine powered UCAV will carry AESA Radar + AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles for BVR combat or 280km SOM stealth Cruise Missile for SEAD role


good luck to enemies .... they will need it


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ABOUT AIR DEFENSE CAPABİLİTİES


1) Greece buys RAFALE Jets and Turkiye has already S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Rafale Jets into crap of metal ...... and Turkiye will buy more 4 S400 batteries

2) also Turkiye has developed HISAR-O Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles to protect military bases and Turkish Airspace

3) and until 2023 SIPER high altitude long range Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets to protect Turkish Airspace

and in 2030s GUMS anti ballistic missile defense system


4) Turkish KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems to jam Fighter Jet radars from 150-200km away

also 4 HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer Aircrafts between 2023 and 2027


5) 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km MESA Radar in service .. and in a few years 4 EIRS early warning AESA Radars will be in service for network centric warfare ( range of 600 km )

6) Turkiye has developed 65km GOKDOGAN air to air missile .. and now Turkiye develops RAMJET powered long range networked air to air missile AKDOGAN ( similar to METEOR ) to carry by F-16 and TFX Fighter Jets also AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs in future for BVR combat

even AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs with AESA Radar and AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles will be on the Sky 24/7 to protect Turkish Airspace


7) Turkiye spent $3,9 billion for CCIP modernization of 163 F-16C/D block 52 standart between 2011 and 2015
( link-16 data link , AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles and SPEWS-II Electronic warfare System )

and Turkiye develops GaN based AESA Radar for F-16 block70 standart ..... in a few years Turkish F-16s will have 4,5+ generation capability as like RAFALE


8) now 16 Turkish Frigates armed with 608 of SM-1MR and ESSM also 64 of SEA SPARROW Air Defense Missiles .... ( Turkish Navy has more SAMs than Greek+French Navies combined )

also Turkiye will produce 4 ISTIF class Frigates armed with 64x ESSM SAMs and 250km SMART-S Radar
also 4 MEKO-200 class Frigates will be modernized to carry 64x ESSM SAMs and 250km SMART-S Radar
and Turkiye will produce 7 TF-2000 class Destroyers armed with 64x HISAR and 32x SIPER SAMs
and 450km CAFRAD AESA Radar


good luck to enemies .... they will need it



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ABOUT BALLİSTİC and CRUİSE MİSSİLES


The US and Iran attacked empty Bases ........

maybe You do not understand warfare unfortunately...... we will hit jet hangars and fighter jet on the ground


Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles can destroy jet hangars and Greek Rafale Jets on the ground in one night

same senario also will be about Israeli jet hangars and F35 Jets on the ground


also Greek Air Defense Systems easly can be destroyed by the Turkish Armed Forces's upcoming fire power

-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 1.000 km BORA Ballistic Missile
-- 250 km ATMACA land based Cruise Missile with RF+IIR+Datalink
-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1500-2000km KARGI anti radiation Drone
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- 150 km RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile
-- 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 120+ km MRASHM Cruise Missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 70 km TRLG-230 supersonic laser guided missile to carry by UCAVs to hit even moving targets
-- 400/500 km SOM air launched stealth Cruise Missile with indigenous TRJ-3200 engine

also hundreds of ATACMS , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , HARM , HARPY , JSOW and HARPOON block-II


good luck to enemies .... they will need it



Btw Israel is tiny country and Turkiye has enough technology and money to produce thousands of BORA , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN , AKBABA , KARGI , KGK-LR , KUZGUN , MRASHM , etc to harm Israeli military and strategic targets

Turkiye is not pathetic Arab Country who can not produce even Cruise Missile

I do not see the point in touting about an asset (e.g. TFX) which is not in service in the present. You are alluding to what Turkey can do in theory lately but I am not interested in this kind of conversation. A lot can happen in the space of 10 years from today.

1. Hellenic Air Force is already equipped with a number of American F-16 and French Mirage 2000 variants which will be upgraded by 2027. In fact, Hellenic Air Force will be receiving Rafale from France and F-35 from USA very soon. At this pace, Hellenic Air Force will be superior to Turkish Air Force years before TFX will come into play in the ongoing game of posturing and this is assuming that the British will help Turkey in developing TFX.

2. Greece is also seeking strategic partnership with France to counter Turkey in the Mediterranean Sea; Turkey cannot deal with these two powers put together in a hypothetical conflict.

My point? Greece is playing its cards right whereas Turkey is loosing its geopolitical acumen lately. If Turkey and USA are unable to reconcile in the near term, Greece will be in the position to dictate its terms in its ongoing dispute with Turkey not long from now. Turkey have problems with Egypt, UAE, Israel and Russia as well - imagine some of these countries joining France in assisting Greece in its claims in the Mediterranean Sea. You are not in the position to do a paradigm shift by embracing Russia in full capacity to your advantage because this will be at the expense of NATO membership and you will also have to cope with crippling sanctions and sabotaging activities from your enemies. Take cues from developments in Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Want to end up like one of these?

I do not get your infatuation with posting lengthy lists of weapon systems (existing and imagined) in your responses TBH. You give the impression of being a marketing guy whose worldview is restricted to what he see in the showroom of his employer on a daily basis but does not understand competition, logistics, and management.

FYI

Although the full extent and details of Israel’s missile capabilities are difficult to ascertain, it is believed that the country has one of the most technologically advanced missile arsenals in the Middle East. Aided by foreign assistance and collaboration over the past six decades, Israel domestically produces numerous cruise and ballistic missiles, and has engaged in the export of missile systems to numerous other nations. While the bulk of Israel’s missile forces consist of shorter range, tactical systems, it also possesses a contingent of long-range ballistic missiles, the Jericho series, for strategic deterrence.

More information in the following link: https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/israel/

Please stop assuming that only Turkey have impressive military capabilities and others are toothless in comparison. Israel is small but it can wreck any country in an all-out exchange - do not be under any illusion.

I am sure that Israeli military bases are much better protected and prepared for numerous eventualities than some 'empty bases' in Syria and Iraq respectively.

Before you harp on what Turkey can do to a potential adversary in theory, please understand that Israel is closely monitoring developments in its neighborhood and have a good shot in figuring out that Turkey is up to something and do something about it. Israel is no stranger to these games in practice.

Turkey being a strong regional player in the present is not in doubt but said power is contingent upon having constructive partnerships with other countries and can erode in the absence of such. Please understand and try to see things beyond the lens of lists of military weapons.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

I do not see the point in touting about an asset (e.g. TFX) which is not in service in the present. You are alluding to what Turkey can do in theory lately but I am not interested in this kind of conversation. A lot can happen in the space of 10 years from today.

1. Hellenic Air Force is already equipped with a number of American F-16 and French Mirage 2000 variants which will be upgraded by 2027. In fact, Hellenic Air Force will be receiving Rafale from France and F-35 from USA very soon. At this pace, Hellenic Air Force will be superior to Turkish Air Force years before TFX will come into play in the ongoing game of posturing and this is assuming that the British will help Turkey in developing TFX.

2. Greece is also seeking strategic partnership with France to counter Turkey in the Mediterranean Sea; Turkey cannot deal with these two powers put together in a hypothetical conflict.

My point? Greece is playing its cards right whereas Turkey is loosing its geopolitical acumen lately. If Turkey and USA are unable to reconcile in the near term, Greece will be in the position to dictate its terms in its ongoing dispute with Turkey not long from now. Turkey have problems with Egypt, UAE, Israel and Russia as well - imagine some of these countries joining France in assisting Greece in its claims in the Mediterranean Sea. You are not in the position to do a paradigm shift by embracing Russia in full capacity to your advantage because this will be at the expense of NATO membership and you will also have to cope with crippling sanctions and sabotaging activities from your enemies. Take cues from developments in Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Want to end up like one of these?

I do not get your infatuation with posting lengthy lists of weapon systems (existing and imagined) in your responses TBH. You give the impression of being a marketing guy whose worldview is restricted to what he see in the showroom of his employer on a daily basis but does not understand competition, logistics, and management.

FYI



More information in the following link: https://missilethreat.csis.org/country/israel/

Please stop assuming that only Turkey have impressive military capabilities and others are toothless in comparison. Israel is small but it can wreck any country in an all-out exchange - do not be under any illusion.

I am sure that Israeli military bases are much better protected and prepared for numerous eventualities than some 'empty bases' in Syria and Iraq respectively.

Before you harp on what Turkey can do to a potential adversary in theory, please understand that Israel is closely monitoring developments in its neighborhood and have a good shot in figuring out that Turkey is up to something and do something about it. Israel is no stranger to these games in practice.

Turkey being a strong regional player in the present is not in doubt but said power is contingent upon having constructive partnerships with other countries and can erode in the absence of such. Please understand and try to see things beyond the lens of lists of military weapons.

Sensible Analysis

 

[MMM-E]

I do not see the point in touting about an asset (e.g. TFX) which is not in service in the present. You are alluding to what Turkey can do in theory lately but I am not interested in this kind of conversation. A lot can happen in the space of 10 years from today.

1. Hellenic Air Force is already equipped with a number of American F-16 and French Mirage 2000 variants which will be upgraded by 2027. In fact, Hellenic Air Force will be receiving Rafale from France and F-35 from USA very soon. At this pace, Hellenic Air Force will be superior to Turkish Air Force years before TFX will come into play in the ongoing game of posturing and this is assuming that the British will help Turkey in developing TFX.

and you are also talking about future 7-10 years and your biased opinion


1) Greece will have 84 F-16V until 2028 ... ( but Greek F-16s lacks long range land attack cruise missiles and only 50 JSOW glide Bombs ... nothing else )

2) Greece have 40 Mirage-2000 armed with only 60km MICA air to air Missile ,,, 90 SCALP land attack cruise missiles and 35 EXOCET anti ship Missiles )

so pathetic ... Greece can develop nothing

3) Greece buys 18 RAFALE Jets ...

4) Greece can not buy F-35 ....... because of Turkish S400s
( the US officials are concerned that Turkiye's purchase of the S400 missile system would put advanced stealth F-35 fighter jets at risk because Russia could steal sensitive information through the system's radar)




on the other hand , yes the US blocked transfer of 100 F-35A Jets to Turkiye but now Turkish Airforce has 192 of combat ready F-16 block50M/52 with most modern Missiles

Turkiye has started producing more 415 SOM Cruise Missiles .... ( land attack / anti ship ) ...
dont compare Turkiye with pathetic countries like Greece who can not produce even cruise missile


1) Turkiye spent $3,9 billion for CCIP modernization of 163 F-16C/D block 52 standart between 2011 and 2015
( link-16 data link , AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles and SPEWS-II Electronic warfare System )

and Turkiye develops GaN based AESA Radar for F-16 block70 standart ..... in a few years Turkish F-16s will have 4,5+ generation capability as like RAFALE


2) also 29 F-16 block50+ entered service between 2011 and 2012

3) Turkiye focused on UCAVs ......
Turkiye has developed 65km GOKDOGAN air to air missile .. and now Turkiye develops RAMJET powered long range networked air to air missile AKDOGAN ( similar to METEOR )

even AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs with AESA Radar and AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles will be on the Sky 24/7 to protect Turkish Airspace and Turkish Warships


4) Turkiye focused on Air Defense Systems .....
Turkiye has already S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Greek F-16 and Rafale Jets into crap of metal ...... and Turkiye will buy more 4 S400 batteries

also Turkiye has developed HISAR-O Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles to protect military bases and Turkish Airspace

and until 2023 SIPER high altitude long range Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets to protect Turkish Airspace

Greek F-16 and Rafale Jets are flying dead in a conflict



5) Turkiye focused on Ballistic and Cruise Missiles .....
if needed , Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles can destroy jet hangars and Greek F-16 , Rafale Jets on the ground in one night

thanks to Turkish defense industry for

-- 360km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 250 km ATMACA land based Cruise Missile with RF+IIR+Datalink
-- 400/500 km SOM air launched stealth Cruise Missile with indigenous TRJ-3200 engine

-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1.000 km BORA Ballistic Missile


so without the F-35 and TFX , still Turkish Airforce has many options to wipe out Greek F-16 and RAFALE Jets in a day

2. Greece is also seeking strategic partnership with France to counter Turkey in the Mediterranean Sea; Turkey cannot deal with these two powers put together in a hypothetical conflict.

not even close ..... Eastern Mediterranean is Turkiye's play zone

if France fire even one bullet on Turkish Forces
Turkish Armed Forces easly can destroy French Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean

thanks to 1.000 of HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM anti ship missiles , also 95 HARM anti radiation Missiles

French Navy should be careful
ATMACA land based anti ship missile hit the target with point accuracy from 220km away

even Turkish UCAVs will be enough to destroy French Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean

great saturation attack capability

-- 120+ km MRASHM Cruise Missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving Warships
-- 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving Warships
-- 70 km TRLG-230 supersonic laser guided missile to carry by UCAVs to hit even moving Warships


The way this missile works is that the Bayraktar TB2 UAV locks on the target and this missile moves towards the target by locking the Drone and destroys the target

even This missile in the Eastern Mediterranean and Aegean can destroy Greek-French Ships at a very low cost and very safe ...

even AKINCI UCAVs can carry 4 TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missiles

btw Turkiye develops RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship Missile and anti ship Ballistic Missile to turn Greek+French Navies into crap of metal in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[triangle]

@WebMaster

When does @MMM-E get his 'one man army' title?

 

[MMM-E]

My point? Greece is playing its cards right whereas Turkey is loosing its geopolitical acumen lately. If Turkey and USA are unable to reconcile in the near term, Greece will be in the position to dictate its terms in its ongoing dispute with Turkey not long from now. Turkey have problems with Egypt, UAE, Israel and Russia as well - imagine some of these countries joining France in assisting Greece in its claims in the Mediterranean Sea. You are not in the position to do a paradigm shift by embracing Russia in full capacity to your advantage because this will be at the expense of NATO membership and you will also have to cope with crippling sanctions and sabotaging activities from your enemies. Take cues from developments in Libya, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Want to end up like one of these?

I do not get your infatuation with posting lengthy lists of weapon systems (existing and imagined) in your responses TBH. You give the impression of being a marketing guy whose worldview is restricted to what he see in the showroom of his employer on a daily basis but does not understand competition, logistics, and management.

France , Israel and Russia never can fight Turkiye ..... Turkiye is right by international law in the Eastern Mediterranean

and Turkish Navy kicked Italian , French , Israeli , American Drillships out of Turkish and Turkish Cypriot EEZ


Greece and the EU dont have rights in the Eastern Mediterranean
Greek Islands dont have Continental Shelf of 200 nm ....... only 6 nm of territorial water .. nothing else



1) Israel only can use the Uae as a pawn to fight Turkiye .... . nothing else
2) France only can use Greece and Egypt as pawns to fight Turkiye ... nothing else
3) Russia is nothing to do with the Eastern Mediterranean

so Turkiye has enough power to protect its rights against Israel-France backed alliance ( greece-egypt-the uae ) in the Eastern Mediterranean


and nobody can match with the Turkish Armed Forces in Syria,Libya ...........
Russia only can use proxies ASSAD , HAFTAR and WAGNER and the Turkish Armed Forces can kick all of them

and the Turkish Armed Forces kicked the US/Israel , France and their PKK/YPG terrorists in Syria


the US and the EU only can attack Turkish Economy ... nothing else
and TURKS never prefer money instead of motherland ...... TURKS can find money but another motherland ? never

83 million TURKS are ready to fight for motherland as like we did it 100 years ago against French+British+Greeks+Armenians

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Turkey and Greece is part of NATO. what would happen to Turkey if they start a war with Greece?

According to the NATO charter, Turkey is obligated to go to war against Turkey...

 

[MMM-E]

Egypt : Israeli and western tool Sisi toppled Elected president Muhammadu Murshi . It is their internal affairs and no other countries can interven in their internal affairs according to international laws . Though it is unacceptable but for your national interests you should not express your de satisfaction on Sisi .

puppet SISI destroyed alliance between Turkiye and Egypt for Amrican-Israeli interests
and the US-Israel gave power to puppet SISI to be ally with Greece,Israel against Turkiye

so Turkiye doesnt care about traitor puppet Arab Dictators who works for Amrican-Israeli interests

2. You are provoking Iran and Hezbollah though you could make better understanding with them .

Turkiye doesnt attack Iran ....... but wth are Iran and terrorist HEZBOL doing in Turkish border ?

Iran and terrorist HEZBOL provoked and attacked Turkish soldiers in Idlib/Syria and Turkish Armed Forces kicked them in a few days

over 12 millions of sunni muslim Syrians wants to see Turkiye to be in Syria to protect sunni muslim population from radical secterian ASSAD Regime, Iran , Hezbollah who killed hundreds of thousands of sunni muslim Syrian civilians

so Turkiye never will allow radical secterian ASSAD Regime, Iran , Hezbollah to kill another hundreds of thousands of sunni muslim Syrian civilians and to force another millions of sunni muslim Syrians in Idlib to move from their lands to Turkiye

3. It is not the right time to provoking all Christians by opening Hagia Sophia etc right now . You could open these mosques later.

Christian-Zionist alliance tried to turn Turkiye into another Iraq-Syria between 2013 and 2016
but we TURKS won this asymmetric-hybrid-economic war

so We dont care about Christian-Zionist alliance ... opening Hagia Sophia was a huge slap on bandit Christian-Zionist alliance's face .... we will do what we want

4. You send f-16s to Azerbaijan against Armenia.

because of puppet Armenia attacked Azerbaijan ....
Turkiye never will allow Russia backed Armenia to invade another part of Azerbaijan



TURKIYE'S RED LİNES

-- Turkiye always will protect its rights and Blue home land in the Eastern Mediterranean
-- Turkiye is in Iraq and Syria to fight terrorism to protect Turkish People and Turkiye's territorial integrity
-- Turkiye is in Azerbaijan against bandit Armenia-Russia-France-The Uae alliance
-- Turkiye is in Libya to protect Blue home land in the Eastern Mediterranean .. ( bandit HAFTAR , France , Egypt and The Uae attacked the UN recognized legal Libyan government to destroy alliance between Turkiye and Libya )

 

[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

France is afraid of Turkey.

The are trying hard to mess with the Ottomans

 

[type93]

So Greece advancing with Rafale, f 26 and f35 while turkish airforce is trapped in time

 

[MMM-E]

So Greece advancing with Rafale, f 26 and f35 while turkish airforce is trapped in time

NEVER

if Greece attack Turkish Ships in the Eastern Mediterraean
Only 24 hours and no more Greek Jet hangars ,F-16s and Rafales

Thanks to great Turkish Missile Fire Power J600T , BORA , SOM , ATMACA , KGK-LR and soon MRASHM , KUZGUN ,GEZGIN also RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile

even I am not talking about hundreds of ATACMS , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , JSOW , HARPOON block-II



also Turkiye create great Air Defense capability to turn Greek F-16s and Rafales into crap of metal

-- S400 Air Defense System
-- HISAR-O and SIPER Air Defense Systems
-- 7 TF-2000 class air warfare Destroyers
-- AESA Radar modernization for 163 of CCIP modernized F-16s
-- AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs with AESA Radar and AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles will be on the Sky 24/7 to protect Turkish Airspace and Turkish Warships
-- KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems to jam Fighter Jet radars from 150-200km away
-- 4 HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer Aircrafts
-- 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km MESA Radar
-- 4 EIRS early warning AESA Radars with range of 600 km

 

[LeGenD]

and you are also talking about future 7-10 years and your biased opinion


1) Greece will have 84 F-16V until 2028 ... ( but Greek F-16s lacks long range land attack cruise missiles and only 50 JSOW glide Bombs ... nothing else )

2) Greece have 40 Mirage-2000 armed with only 60km MICA air to air Missile ,,, 90 SCALP land attack cruise missiles and 35 EXOCET anti ship Missiles )

so pathetic ... Greece can develop nothing

3) Greece buys 18 RAFALE Jets ...

4) Greece can not buy F-35 ....... because of Turkish S400s
( the US officials are concerned that Turkiye's purchase of the S400 missile system would put advanced stealth F-35 fighter jets at risk because Russia could steal sensitive information through the system's radar)




on the other hand , yes the US blocked transfer of 100 F-35A Jets to Turkiye but now Turkish Airforce has 192 of combat ready F-16 block50M/52 with most modern Missiles

Turkiye has started producing more 415 SOM Cruise Missiles .... ( land attack / anti ship ) ...
dont compare Turkiye with pathetic countries like Greece who can not produce even cruise missile


1) Turkiye spent $3,9 billion for CCIP modernization of 163 F-16C/D block 52 standart between 2011 and 2015
( link-16 data link , AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles and SPEWS-II Electronic warfare System )

and Turkiye develops GaN based AESA Radar for F-16 block70 standart ..... in a few years Turkish F-16s will have 4,5+ generation capability as like RAFALE


2) also 29 F-16 block50+ entered service between 2011 and 2012

3) Turkiye focused on UCAVs ......
Turkiye has developed 65km GOKDOGAN air to air missile .. and now Turkiye develops RAMJET powered long range networked air to air missile AKDOGAN ( similar to METEOR )

even AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs with AESA Radar and AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles will be on the Sky 24/7 to protect Turkish Airspace and Turkish Warships

4) Turkiye focused on Air Defense Systems .....
Turkiye has already S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Greek F-16 and Rafale Jets into crap of metal ...... and Turkiye will buy more 4 S400 batteries

also Turkiye has developed HISAR-O Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles to protect military bases and Turkish Airspace

and until 2023 SIPER high altitude long range Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets to protect Turkish Airspace

Greek F-16 and Rafale Jets are flying dead in a conflict

FYI:

Face-Off In The Aegean: How Greek And Turkish Air Forces Stack Up

LINK: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ean-how-greek-and-turkish-air-forces-stack-up

VERDICT

"Undoubtedly capable and held at high levels of readiness, the air forces of Greece and Turkey have planned and trained for combat in the Aegean theater for decades. Clearly, a full-scale conflict in the eastern Mediterranean could potentially be very costly for both sides."

Hellenic Air Force will receive French Rafale and American F-35 very soon. Therefore:

Turkey risks lagging behind Greek air power | Ahval

Greece’s air force could be set to eclipse its Turkish counterpart if the current trajectory is set to continue. Turkey and Greece have similar numbers of fighter jets, but the Greek air force possesses the greater number of highest generation jets.

ahvalnews.com

Rafale and F-35 are extremely capable SEAD/DEAD platforms as well.

S-400 defense system = lame investment for Turkish security needs TBH. This system completely failed to live up to its hype in Syria, and will be checkmated by F-35 in the coming years. Sorry to disappoint you.

5) Turkiye focused on Ballistic and Cruise Missiles .....
if needed , Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles can destroy jet hangars and Greek F-16 , Rafale Jets on the ground in one night

thanks to Turkish defense industry for

-- 360km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 250 km ATMACA land based Cruise Missile with RF+IIR+Datalink
-- 400/500 km SOM air launched stealth Cruise Missile with indigenous TRJ-3200 engine

-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1.000 km BORA Ballistic Missile


so without the F-35 and TFX , still Turkish Airforce has many options to wipe out Greek F-16 and RAFALE Jets in a day

This is such a childish argument. Please pinpoint (any) WAR which could be won through use of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in large part.... there is not a single example in history.

1. Air bases, particularly of NATO standard, are heavily guarded spaces with numerous safety arrangements and infrastructure to make them operational in a short span after an attack.

Even a massive volley of lethal 50 x Tomahawk cruise missiles was not sufficient to cripple a much lightly guarded Syrian air base in 2017. How many would be needed to cripple just one Greek air base from afar? And Greek have multiple Air bases to begin with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_military_bases

Turkey does not have anything even remotely close to projecting firepower like American Arleigh Burke class destroyers from the seas by the way.

2. Always expect your enemy to be risk-aware (knowledge of your weapon systems) and DYNAMIC (anticipating your moves in advance and striking at your assets while you attempt to attack). You are likely to loose a large number of your assets in the hypothetical all-out exchange.

There is no substitute for a capable Air Force in projecting firepower in distant spaces in reality.

not even close ..... Eastern Mediterranean is Turkiye's play zone

if France fire even one bullet on Turkish Forces
Turkish Armed Forces easly can destroy French Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean

FYI:

Rafale attacks on Turkish targets in al-Watiya airbase: Egyptian or French? | Jemai Guesmi | AW

Informed sources told The Arab Weekly that the warplanes that targeted al-Watiya airbase in western Libya were Rafale jets, which limits the identity of the attacking power to France and Egypt, the two countries within the range of the base that possess this type of aircraft.

thearabweekly.com

Rafale Jets Evade All Radars, Air Defence Systems; Bombs Turkish Facilities In Libya

The Dassault Rafale is a French multirole fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation. Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions.

eurasiantimes.com

Airbase attack exposes Turkey’s military frailties in Libya | Ahval

An attack on a key airbase held by the Turkey-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) near Tripoli at the weekend has exposed a major weakness in Ankara’s military capabilities in the war-torn country.

ahvalnews.com

TALK IS CHEAP

thanks to 1.000 of HARPOON , ATMACA , SOM anti ship missiles , also 95 HARM anti radiation Missiles

French Navy should be careful
ATMACA land based anti ship missile hit the target with point accuracy from 220km away

even Turkish UCAVs will be enough to destroy French Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean

great saturation attack capability

-- 120+ km MRASHM Cruise Missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving Warships
-- 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving Warships
-- 70 km TRLG-230 supersonic laser guided missile to carry by UCAVs to hit even moving Warships

The way this missile works is that the Bayraktar TB2 UAV locks on the target and this missile moves towards the target by locking the Drone and destroys the target

even This missile in the Eastern Mediterranean and Aegean can destroy Greek-French Ships at a very low cost and very safe ...

even AKINCI UCAVs can carry 4 TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missiles

btw Turkiye develops RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship Missile and anti ship Ballistic Missile to turn Greek+French Navies into crap of metal in the Eastern Mediterranean

Here WE go again....

Turkey is a well-equipped country no doubt but your arguments are deeply flawed and bland on many counts because you mistakenly assume that your enemy have no potential counters to your designs and that only Turkey have munitions and can shoot at others.

French Navy also happen to be well-equipped and high-tech:

- among the finest in the world.

More importantly:

French navy is focused on developing Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC):

LINK: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-new...ooperative-engagement-with-frigate-destroyer/

"The U.S. Navy’s Cooperative Engagement Capability (CEC) is a real-time sensor netting system that enables high quality situational awareness and integrated fire control capability. It is designed to enhance the anti-air warfare (AAW) capability of surface vessels and aircraft by the netting of geographically dispersed sensors to provide a single integrated air picture, thus enabling Integrated Fire Control to destroy increasingly capable threats such as cruise missiles and aircraft.

The U.S. Navy is to date the only user of that technology with the Royal Australian Navy (aboard their AWD Hobart-class Destroyer) but Japan will soon follow, with the induction of their E-2D Advanced Hawkeye and their latest AEGIS destroyers."

Now imagine French Navy and Hellenic Navy joining hands to counter Turkey...

You need to step out from your munitions showroom very often.

 

[Super Falcon]

I think turkey can take greece head on with S 400 turks use their own technologyvthese days which is reliable remember rafale is not combat prooven never seen potent adversary so its capabilities are under question how it behaves against well equiped turks is a question turkey can buy euro fighters or gripens too

 

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1. Air bases, particularly of NATO standard, are heavily guarded spaces with numerous safety arrangements and infrastructure to make them operational in a short span after an attack.

Even a massive volley of lethal 50 x Tomahawk cruise missiles was not sufficient to cripple a much lightly guarded Syrian air base in 2017. How many would be needed to cripple just one Greek air base from afar? And Greek have multiple Air bases to begin with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_military_bases

Turkey does not have anything even remotely close to projecting firepower like American Arleigh Burke class destroyers from the seas by the way.

1) No need to desstroy whole Air Base
Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles will destroy Greek RAFALEs in jet hangars and on the ground

and Greece can not buy more RAFALE Fighter Jets even in a year ....


2) even Turkiye doesnt need Warships and Fighter Jets for Greece ........ all Greek Jet Hangars are in range of Turkish land based Ballistic and Cruise Missiles to hit Jet hangars

and Turkiye is not pathetic Greece,Egypt,S.Arabia and The Uae who can not produce even Cruise Missile

Turkiye has its own defense Industry to produce thousands of J600T , BORA , SOM and ATMACA Missiles




even ATMACA land based Cruise Missile ( 250km range , RF+IIR+Datalink ) to hit Greek Jet hangars and PATRIOT Air Defense Systems

also 150-165-360km J600T , ATACMS and BORA Ballistic Missiles to hit Greek Jet hangars and PATRIOT Air Defense Systems

also SOM , SLAM-ER and POPEYE air launched Cruise Missiles to hit Greek Jet hangars and PATRIOT Air Defense Systems

also hundreds of 110-130km KGK and JSOW glide Bombs and 95 HARM anti radiation Missiles


and soon Turkish UCAVs and F-16s will be armed with 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile with IIR seeker and 120+ km MRASHM cruise missile with IIR seeker to hit even moving Warships and mobile Air Defense Systems


even I am not talking about under development projects like

-- 800km land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- SIPER long range - high altitude Air Defense System
-- RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile
-- Hypersonic ( mach 5+ ) anti ship Ballistic Missile


Greece is a insect for the Turkish Armed Forces

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I think turkey can take greece head on with S 400 turks use their own technologyvthese days which is reliable remember rafale is not combat prooven never seen potent adversary so its capabilities are under question how it behaves against well equiped turks is a question turkey can buy euro fighters or gripens too

It is very doubtful that Turkey would be allowed to buy Gripen, due to its would be dictator Erdogan.

 

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TALK IS CHEAP

Your dream is Cheap


even Turkish UCAVs destroyed many PANTSIR and BUK Air Defense Systems in Syria and Libya


Al Watiya Air Base is 2.000+ km away from Turkish mainland ... and only old HAWK Air Defense System

there were no Radars , F-16s , Boeing E7-T AEWCs , KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems and HISAR-O / S400 Air Defense Systems to protect Al Watiya Air Base

on the other hand 192 F-16s , 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs , Radars , KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems , KORKUT 35mm SPAAG and HISAR-O / S400 Air Defense Systems to protect Turkish Airspace and Bases

also J600T , ATAMCS , BORA , HARM , KGK , JSOW , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , SOM , ATMACA and HARPOON block-II to hit Jet hangars in Greece , Crete and Southern Cyprus

Turkey is a well-equipped country no doubt but your arguments are deeply flawed and bland on many counts because you mistakenly assume that your enemy have no potential counters to your designs and that only Turkey have munitions and can shoot at others.

French Navy also happen to be well-equipped and high-tech:

1) stop dreaming with nuclear weapons ... France can not use nuclear weapons
even France can not fire one missile on Turkish Forces .... Turkiye doesnt attack France .. also Greece-France have NO any rights by international law in the Eastern Mediterranean

2) Eastern Mediterranean is Turkiye's play zone ..... Turkiye has geopolitic advantage
maybe Turkiye can lost a few Warships and Fighter Jets but whole French Navy including Aircraft Carrier will be destroyed

Now imagine French Navy and Hellenic Navy joining hands to counter Turkey...

You need to step out from your munitions showroom very often.

NEVER

French Navy is strong in the Western Mediterranean


pathetic French FREMM Frigates armed with only 16x ASTER-15 SAMs to counter anti ship Missiles ..... ( French Navy is a joke against the Turkish Armed Forces in the Eastern Mediterranean )

-- Turkish Navy has more SAMs than Hellenic + French Navies combined

-- Turkish Navy has 400+ HARPOON anti ship Missiles .... even Hellenic + French Navies combined have no 400 SAMs

-- Turkish Airforce has 50 SLAM-ER anti ship Missiles and 95 HARM anti radiation Missiles

-- Turkish Army has 100 HARPY kamikaze Drones with range of 500km ... also Turkiye has developed 1.500-2.000 km KARGI anti radiation Drone

-- also AKSUNGUR UAVs will carry SONOBOUY Pods to detect Submarines ..... ( what a great capability )


-- 70 km TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missiles for saturation attack on Warships

-- and so on Turkish UCAVs and F-16s will be armed with 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile with IIR seeker and 120+ km MRASHM cruise missile with IIR seeker to hit even moving Warships

-- also RAMJET powered supersonic anti ship missile and anti ship Ballistic Missile under developmet


-- For anti Submarine Warfare

12 Type-209 class hunter killer Submarines armed with heavy Torpedos and HARPOON anti ship missiles
16 Frigates armed with SONAR and Torpedos
4 ADA class Submarine killer Corvettes armed with SONAR and Torpedos
16 TUZLA class Patrol Bots armed with anti Submarine Rockets
12 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircrafts armed with Torpedos

also KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems can jam Naval Radars from 200km away

also 250 km Turkish ATMACA land based anti ship Missiles will be enough to turn Hellenic and French Navies in the Turkish Contineental Shelf

also Turkiye has developed 280 km SOM stealth Cruise Missile ..... SOM-C anti ship missile wariant to hit even moving Warships

360 km BORA Ballistic Missiles can hit Greek and French Warships in Naval Bases including in Southern Cyprus

and Turkiye bought S400 Air Defense System including 40N6E Missile , destruction range is up to 380-400 km to block Eastern Mediterranean agaist Fighter Jets and AEWCs