Featured Greece getting 18 Rafales, 8 are free from France

[LeGenD]

TFX will be 5th generation air superiority Fighter Jet with new indigenous turbofan Engine between 2030-2035

and F-35 is not invincible as like stealth F-117 which was destroyed by Russian S-125 Air Defense System in Serbia in 1990 .... today there are radars to detect F-35


btw never forget that Turkiye has Ballistic and Cruise Missile technologies to destroy Air Bases which host F-35s in Israel in hours .... F-35 is not so big threat to Turkiye



Turkiye is regional Super Power

1-- Turkiye has bigger Economy than Israel+Greece+Egypt combined .... even since 2013 Turkiye and Turkish economy under attack by the US .. Turkiye lost over $500 billion since 2013 .. also Turkiye spent over $400 billion to fight the US,Israel and the EU backed PKK terrorism since 1990

2-- Turkiye spent over $60 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries between 2012 and 2020
Turkiye would buy Israel+Greece+Egypt militaries combined for $60 billion

3-- Turkiye has more military projects than Israel+Greece+Egypt+S.Arabia+The Uae combined
Turkiye develops around 700 military projects for over $60 billion

4-- Turkiye is only industrialized Country in the Region ... Turkiye is economic power house

5-- Turkish Military Bases in Northen Cyprus , Iraq , Syria , Qatar , Somalia , Libya , Azerbaijan , Albania and soon Niger

6- Turkish Armed Forces are in active fight in Iraq , Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean against the US , France , Germany , Greece , Israel , Egypt , S.Arabia , The Uae , Russia , Iran and their terrorists/puppets ASSAD , HAFTAR , FETO , PKK/YPG , HEZBOLLAH

what about tiny Greece ? Greece is hidding behind of the US,Israel,France,Germany and barking


never forget that
Israel is hidding behind of the US
S.Arabia and The Uae are hidding behind of the US and Israel
ASSAD and Iran are hidding behind of Russia

on the other hand Turkiye is fighting against all of them in Iraq , Syria , Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean

Nobody can do it in the region, except Turkiye

Seriously man?

It is too early to tout about TFX and this is assuming that British will contribute in this project. Greece is getting advanced jets in the present.

F-117 is not a valid analogue of F-35 because it was not a fighter jet to begin with and it did not had onboard EW capabilities even. F-35 is on another level of capability in comparison to majority of aircraft in existence and absolutely capable of breaching even the most sophisticated of Russian and Chinese-origin surface defenses as noticed in Syria (Damascus). A country having these jets in numbers should be a matter of grave concern to another which doesn't.

You think that only Turkey have ballistic and cruise missiles? Contrary to some theoretical rankings, Israel is much better armed than Turkey on many counts and absolutely capable of handling Turkey in a hypothetical war. Airbases are not easy to render useless either - these are huge spaces with numerous defensive arrangements, shelters, and support systems for potential repairs just in case. For instance, Iran subjected an Iraqi airbase to 15 x ballistic missile strikes in a short span but this airbase was far from being useless in the aftermath. USA subjected one Syrian airbase to 50+ cruise missile strikes and it was operational like 2 days later. Now Israel is not tolerant and incapable like Iraq and Syria respectively. Fighter jets can be made to take off from many spaces by the way and not only airbases. You do not understand warfare unfortunately.

Turkey have a struggling economy in current times and much of it is contingent upon trade with Europe. If you are taking your chances with European powers, you can imagine the results.

Even though Pakistani are well-wishers of Turkey on average, the wiser ones will remind you that it is not wise for your country to seek confrontation with multiple countries irrespective of perceived grievances. Turkey need to reconsider its current political trajectory instead.

 

[bolo]

better to produce 1.000 of land based ATMACA Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missiles to destroy all Air bases and jet hangars in Greece and Greek Islands in hours during a conflict


1.000 of land based ATMACA Cruise Missiles and BORA Ballistic Missiles = less than $1 billion

and no need American permission , no need Pilot , no need operation coast and maintenance but great deterrence


btw if needed , Turkiye can activite S400 Air Defense Systems in 48 hours to turn RAFALEs into crap of metal
also Turkish SIPER long range and high altitude Air Defense System will be ready in 2023
and Turkish HISAR-O Air Defense System is ready to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles

Turkey and Greece is part of NATO. what would happen to Turkey if they start a war with Greece?

 

[gangsta_rap]

Qatar already has its hands on Rafales and I will be extremely surprised if TuAF does not take advantage of that...

In any case this means Turks will spend effort in determining how they can counter it. This can help the PAF indirectly with Indian rafales

 

[Figaro]

Greece getting 18 Rafales, 8 are free from France
Posted on August 30, 2020
Greek newspaper Parapolitika reports that Greece will be getting 18 Rafale fighters.

By Tim Felce (Airwolfhound) (Rafale – RIAT 2009) [CC BY-SA 2.0], via Wikimedia Commons

The report says a preliminary agreement for the acquisition has been reached. Ten of these fighters will be the F3-R variant built from scratch while the other 8 jets will be second-hand aircraft that will be transferred free to Greece from the French Air Force.

I wonder how our Indian friends are feeling knowing the Greeks will be getting some aircraft for free while the Indians had to pay 250 million dollars per pop

 

[azbaroj]

Turkey and Greece is part of NATO. what would happen to Turkey if they start a war with Greece?

Not only EU but also US also send warship to threat Turkey.
The Greeks and Turks are again locked in a quarrel about the territorial status of Mediterranean real estate and waters — and more importantly the oil and gas reserves beneath them. The energy potential of the eastern Mediterranean has raised the stakes. Neighboring powers in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East are being drawn into a standoff as the risks rise of open conflict between NATO allies.

Potential war

If Ankara and Athens do clash, it could go down in history as a “most unfortunate war,” worry analysts. “Don’t rule out a conflagration in the Eastern Mediterranean, if only by accident,” warns Marc Pierini, an analyst at the think tank Carnegie Europe.

In 1897, the great powers were able to contain the fallout. A half-baked, face-saving solution was found: Crete got autonomy but under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire, with the Turks controlling the island’s foreign relations, and Prince George of Greece became the island’s high commissioner. In 1913 Greece formally annexed the island.

The Western powers are hoping they can hit on another short-term solution to stave off a clash and, as in 1897, have been dispatching warships as a warning to Istanbul, which they blame for fueling the increasingly risky maritime dispute. The US has sent a warship, too. The vessel, the USS Hershel “Woody” Williams, is an expeditionary sea base that the U.S. Navy says is in the Mediterranean on a previously scheduled mission primarily to support U.S. Africa Command operations, but is available if necessary.

Turkey-Greece Maritime Squabble Risks 'Unfortunate War'

Greeks and Turks are again locked in a quarrel about the territorial status of Mediterranean real estate and waters

www.voanews.com

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I agree but they can still create a problem with u. Turkey is a great country and nation and i would recommend to follow the vhinese and should get out of small skirmish as it might be bleeding turkey.


Turkey still needs to strengthen itself so better to keep a low profile while strengthening.

In any case all the good luck to my turkish brothers and sisters.

By the way what are the reason of conflict between egypt and turkey ?

Since Sisi came, Egypt has become an economic slave to KSA and UAE. Egypt functions on their orders. Alhamdulilah the strong point of Egypt is only its land forces, esp tanks. That isbwhybthey can only harm Turkey in Libya.

Here point 6 is Turkish weakness not strength . Turkey made every one its enemy . Turkey should have some strategic friends. By friendship it could at least make some countries neutral. I don't understand your foreign policy.
As far I know from various sources, Turkey has to face EU , US , Arab Madhkhalis, Israel etc in mediterranean not only Greece or French.

Iran seems like the obvious ally here, but Russians and Iranian clerics seem keen to prevent alliance with a major Sunni country like Turkey or Pakistan.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I wonder how our Indian friends are feeling knowing the Greeks will be getting some aircraft for free while the Indians had to pay 250 million dollars per pop

I still get a chuckle from "Only if we had Rafale" Modi in relation to Feb 27 2019 spanking by Pakistan.

 

[MMM-E]

Seriously man?

It is too early to tout about TFX and this is assuming that British will contribute in this project. Greece is getting advanced jets in the present.

F-117 is not a valid analogue of F-35 because it was not a fighter jet to begin with and it did not had onboard EW capabilities even. F-35 is on another level of capability in comparison to majority of aircraft in existence and absolutely capable of breaching even the most sophisticated of Russian and Chinese-origin surface defenses as noticed in Syria (Damascus). A country having these jets in numbers should be a matter of grave concern to another which doesn't.

You think that only Turkey have ballistic and cruise missiles? Contrary to some theoretical rankings, Israel is much better armed than Turkey on many counts and absolutely capable of handling Turkey in a hypothetical war. Airbases are not easy to render useless either - these are huge spaces with numerous defensive arrangements, shelters, and support systems for potential repairs just in case. For instance, Iran subjected an Iraqi airbase to 15 x ballistic missile strikes in a short span but this airbase was far from being useless in the aftermath. USA subjected one Syrian airbase to 50+ cruise missile strikes and it was operational like 2 days later. Now Israel is not tolerant and incapable like Iraq and Syria respectively. Fighter jets can be made to take off from many spaces by the way and not only airbases. You do not understand warfare unfortunately.

Turkey have a struggling economy in current times and much of it is contingent upon trade with Europe. If you are taking your chances with European powers, you can imagine the results.

Even though Pakistani are well-wishers of Turkey on average, the wiser ones will remind you that it is not wise for your country to seek confrontation with multiple countries irrespective of perceived grievances. Turkey need to reconsider its current political trajectory instead.

I am saying again even 4,5+ generation TFX Fighter Jet will be enough to match with Greek F-16V and Rafale , also Egyptian SU-35 and Rafale

Turkiye has enough technology to develop 4,5+ generation fighter jet and turbofan engine .... but needs more time ( 10 years )

also Turkiye has great Electronic Warfare and UCAV technologies
MIUS jet engine powered UCAV will carry AESA Radar + AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles for BVR combat or 280km SOM stealth Cruise Missile for SEAD role


good luck to enemies .... they will need it


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ABOUT AIR DEFENSE CAPABİLİTİES


1) Greece buys RAFALE Jets and Turkiye has already S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Rafale Jets into crap of metal ...... and Turkiye will buy more 4 S400 batteries

2) also Turkiye has developed HISAR-O Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles to protect military bases and Turkish Airspace

3) and until 2023 SIPER high altitude long range Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets to protect Turkish Airspace

and in 2030s GUMS anti ballistic missile defense system


4) Turkish KORAL and REDET Radar Electronic Warfare Systems to jam Fighter Jet radars from 150-200km away

also 4 HAVASOJ airborne stand off jammer Aircrafts between 2023 and 2027


5) 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km MESA Radar in service .. and in a few years 4 EIRS early warning AESA Radars will be in service for network centric warfare ( range of 600 km )

6) Turkiye has developed 65km GOKDOGAN air to air missile .. and now Turkiye develops RAMJET powered long range networked air to air missile AKDOGAN ( similar to METEOR ) to carry by F-16 and TFX Fighter Jets also AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs in future for BVR combat

even AKINCI and MIUS UCAVs with AESA Radar and AKDOGAN Ramjet powered long range networked air to air missiles will be on the Sky 24/7 to protect Turkish Airspace


7) Turkiye spent $3,9 billion for CCIP modernization of 163 F-16C/D block 52 standart between 2011 and 2015
( link-16 data link , AIM-120C7 networked air to air missiles and SPEWS-II Electronic warfare System )

and Turkiye develops GaN based AESA Radar for F-16 block70 standart ..... in a few years Turkish F-16s will have 4,5+ generation capability as like RAFALE


8) now 16 Turkish Frigates armed with 608 of SM-1MR and ESSM also 64 of SEA SPARROW Air Defense Missiles .... ( Turkish Navy has more SAMs than Greek+French Navies combined )

also Turkiye will produce 4 ISTIF class Frigates armed with 64x ESSM SAMs and 250km SMART-S Radar
also 4 MEKO-200 class Frigates will be modernized to carry 64x ESSM SAMs and 250km SMART-S Radar
and Turkiye will produce 7 TF-2000 class Destroyers armed with 64x HISAR and 32x SIPER SAMs
and 450km CAFRAD AESA Radar


good luck to enemies .... they will need it



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ABOUT BALLİSTİC and CRUİSE MİSSİLES


The US and Iran attacked empty Bases ........

maybe You do not understand warfare unfortunately...... we will hit jet hangars and fighter jet on the ground


Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles can destroy jet hangars and Greek Rafale Jets on the ground in one night

same senario also will be about Israeli jet hangars and F35 Jets on the ground


also Greek Air Defense Systems easly can be destroyed by the Turkish Armed Forces's upcoming fire power

-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 1.000 km BORA Ballistic Missile
-- 250 km ATMACA land based Cruise Missile with RF+IIR+Datalink
-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1500-2000km KARGI anti radiation Drone
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- 150 km RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile
-- 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 120+ km MRASHM Cruise Missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 70 km TRLG-230 supersonic laser guided missile to carry by UCAVs to hit even moving targets
-- 400/500 km SOM air launched stealth Cruise Missile with indigenous TRJ-3200 engine

also hundreds of ATACMS , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , HARM , HARPY , JSOW and HARPOON block-II


good luck to enemies .... they will need it



Btw Israel is tiny country and Turkiye has enough technology and money to produce thousands of BORA , SOM , ATMACA , GEZGIN , AKBABA , KARGI , KGK-LR , KUZGUN , MRASHM , etc to harm Israeli military and strategic targets

Turkiye is not pathetic Arab Country who can not produce even Cruise Missile

 

[MMM-E]

Here point 6 is Turkish weakness not strength . Turkey made every one its enemy . Turkey should have some strategic friends. By friendship it could at least make some countries neutral. I don't understand your foreign policy.
As far I know from various sources, Turkey has to face EU , US , Arab Madhkhalis, Israel etc in mediterranean not only Greece or French.

You are saying that Turkiye should allow bandit countries the US , Israel , France , etc to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity and to steal oil/gas reserves - MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland ) from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

I remind every one ..... Turks dont attack any country .. Turks just protect their own country and their rights
in the Eastern Mediterranean from bandit countries

bandit countries the US , Israel , France , etc support PKK terror organization since 1990s to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity

100 years ago we Turks kicked French+British+Greeks+Armenians

and now bandit countries the US , Israel , France use their slave country Greece and puppet Arab Dictators to steal oil/gas reserves - MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland ) from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean






Greece and the EU dont have rights in the Eastern Mediterranean
Greek Islands dont have Continental Shelf of 200 nm ....... only 6 nm of territorial water .. nothing else

Turkiye is right by international law
but the US ,Israel , France,Greece,Egypt,The Uae and Greek Cypriot side have forest law , instead of international law

Turks never will allow bandit countries and their proxies terrorist organizations / puppet Arab Dictators to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity and to steal oil/gas reserves - MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland ) from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[triangle]

For instance, Iran subjected an Iraqi airbase to 15 x ballistic missile strikes in a short span but this airbase was far from being useless in the aftermath. USA subjected one Syrian airbase to 50+ cruise missile strikes and it was operational like 2 days later.

Fals equivalents. How much more can you make an airbase inoperable when there was already very little activity. It wasn't as if the Syrian airbase was housing tens of ready to go fighter aircraft. It was barely functioning.

To make ain al Assad useless, Iran would've shoot hundreds of missiles, not just a handful. It was more of a symbolic attack.

 

[MMM-E]

what can 18 Rafales do against Turkiye ?


1) Turkiye has already S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Rafale Jets into crap of metal ...... and Turkiye will buy more 4 S400 batteries

2) also Turkiye has developed HISAR-O Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets and Cruise Missiles to protect military bases and Turkish Airspace

3) and until 2023 SIPER high altitude long range Air Defense System to intercept Fighter Jets to protect Turkish Airspace



and Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles can destroy jet hangars and Greek Rafale Jets on the ground in one night

also Greek Air Defense Systems easly can be destroyed by the Turkish Armed Forces's upcoming fire power

-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 1.000 km BORA Ballistic Missile
-- 250 km ATMACA land based Cruise Missile with RF+IIR+Datalink
-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1500-2000km KARGI anti radiation Drone
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- 150 km RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile
-- 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 120+ km MRASHM Cruise Missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 70 km TRLG-230 supersonic laser guided missile to carry by UCAVs to hit even moving targets
-- 400/500 km SOM air launched stealth Cruise Missile with indigenous TRJ-3200 engine

also hundreds of ATACMS , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , HARM , HARPY , JSOW and HARPOON block-II

 

[Prince Kassad]

seems like a bargain for the Greeks until you see the servicing package they signed up for to go with the jets.

Giving the jets away probably saves the French millions if they can shift the servicing package that they signed up to aswell.

 

[ARCH٤R]

Since Sisi came, Egypt has become an economic slave to KSA and UAE. Egypt functions on their orders. Alhamdulilah the strong point of Egypt is only its land forces, esp tanks. That isbwhybthey can only harm Turkey in Libya.

Egypt functions on the needs and aims to move forward in terms of strategic partnerships, economy and infrastructure - not because Egyptian Emiratis or Egyptian Saudis convince others to invest, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have put efforts in Yemen which was is crucial for the safety of shippings into the Suez Canal - Egypt and the UAE unite on many level and have similar interests and to a lesser yet a significant level the KSA.

 

[ARCH٤R]

I believe Greece could be getting them for cheap in comparison to India, Egypt or Qatar since the NATO could have already established facilities in Greece for the French Rafales and they could me stationing them at only one airbase neglecting the need of many facilities to maintain them.

 

[azbaroj]

You are saying that Turkiye should allow bandit countries the US , Israel , France , etc to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity and to steal oil/gas reserves - MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland ) from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

I remind every one ..... Turks dont attack any country .. Turks just protect their own country and their rights
in the Eastern Mediterranean from bandit countries

bandit countries the US , Israel , France , etc support PKK terror organization since 1990s to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity

100 years ago we Turks kicked French+British+Greeks+Armenians

and now bandit countries the US , Israel , France use their slave country Greece and puppet Arab Dictators to steal oil/gas reserves - MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland ) from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean






Greece and the EU dont have rights in the Eastern Mediterranean
Greek Islands dont have Continental Shelf of 200 nm ....... only 6 nm of territorial water .. nothing else

Turkiye is right by international law
but the US ,Israel , France,Greece,Egypt,The Uae and Greek Cypriot side have forest law , instead of international law

Turks never will allow bandit countries and their proxies terrorist organizations / puppet Arab Dictators to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity and to steal oil/gas reserves - MAVI VATAN ( Blue homeland ) from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

It is difficult to make you understand the reality. You don't come to my point brother. I am not talking about bandits countries who denying your rights in your yards, by some tiny islands they want to contain you in your land . I think rightfully Turkey should capture these islands which were hijacked from Turkey by bandits.
I was talking about , so many fronts Turkey opened .
Egypt : Israeli and western tool Sisi toppled Elected president Muhammadu Murshi . It is their internal affairs and no other countries can interven in their internal affairs according to international laws . Though it is unacceptable but for your national interests you should not express your de satisfaction on Sisi .
2. You are provoking Iran and Hezbollah though you could make better understanding with them .
3. It is not the right time to provoking all Christians by opening Hagia Sophia etc right now . You could open these mosques later.
4. You send f-16s to Azerbaijan against Armenia.
5. Your first priority is to establish your rights in your court yard , save your blue home land .
To do this you should do what ever necessary.
But instead, you open so many fronts, too much power projection.
With 200 + aging western aircrafts you are going fight all western and middle eastern countries, also trying to save African countries.
Is it realistic to face every one ?
Even World only super power US attacked Iraq and Afghanistan with allies. They take Pakistan and Iran also with them and later throw them.
Those who talks rational, please don't think they are Turkey's enemy , we like Turkey as like our country , we are well wishers . Please try to understand my points.