Google vs China thread

[Iggy]

lol, India's so opportunistic

lolz yea..if google going to pull out from China then we can see AP as a part of India in googles map ..wicked ministers

 

[manglasiva]

lolz yea..if google going to pull out from China then we can see AP as a part of India in googles map ..wicked ministers

if somebody can hack Google and paint all the subcontinent GREY !!

 

[linkwheel]

Baidu.com is the leading search engine 60% users use Baidu. China has also introduced new Domain registeration policy aswell in which ur desired domain name will be approved first and then you can run a site

 

[Chanakyaa]

I am not anti Chinese, but this singular incident has shown that China indeed has Great "Firewalls" and The Real China is Some what invisible, till a freedom of Expression is given.

When The Gov is Not interested to give freedom even for corporate interests , one can imagine the level of secrecy being deployed in other areas too.

All i can say is, China is a Gr8 nation but Technological and Economical Advancement is of lesser importance than freedom to a common man.

Perhaps even Pakistan is better in this regard where people can protest and Bring back a Judge removed in an incorrect fashion.

Our Chinese friends may bring more light to the issue.

 

[AnGrz_Z_K_Jailer]

China begins monitoring billions of text messages as censorship increases

China has started scanning text messages for inappropriate content representing the latest move in the country’s increasing censorship.

By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai and Peter Foster in Beijing
Published: 2:28PM GMT 15 Jan 2010

Customers of China’s two largest mobile phone networks, China Mobile and China Unicom, have had their text-messaging service blocked after sending risqué texts, according to the state media.

It comes as the country is embroiled in a row with Google over cyber attacks. On Tuesday the internet giant, said it may quit China because of concerns about the country’s recent increase in censorship.

The Global Times, a government-run newspaper, said “everyone seems to be under watch”. Last year, the government vowed to suppress pornography on the internet and has now extended its campaign to mobile phones.

China Mobile is the world’s biggest mobile phone company, with over 508 million customers. Its network handles 1.7 billion text messages a day.

The latest development implies that Chinese censors have moved beyond monitoring of the internet and are now also spying on the country’s vast network of phones.

The newspaper interviewed a civil servant, who expressed reservations over the policy. “We have a lot of private things in our mobile phones. If they monitor the messages, a lot of private things would be leaked,” said the man, who was named only as Mr Cao.

The Southern Metropolis newspaper said a man from the Southern city of Dongguan recently had his phone blocked. China Mobile’s customer service informed the man that their computers had detected lewd words in his messages and that he would have to take his identity card to the local police station to reactivate the phone. He also had to furnish a letter guaranteeing that he would no longer disseminate inappropriate messages.

China Mobile said that the company was complying with demands from the police to report “illegal” text messages with content that included pornography, violence, fraud, suggestions of terrorism, instigations to crime and gambling.

The company said a single message that breached any of its filters would result in the blocking of the mobile phone involved.

Yesterday Microsoft said it no plans to pull out of China dashing hopes that the software giant would support its rival Google in its stand against Chinese censorship of the internet.

Asked if Microsoft had any plan to pull its business out of China, Steven Ballmer said “No.” before questioning the sudden urgency of Google’s complaints about attempts to hack Gmail accounts of human rights activists from inside China.

“I don’t understand how that [a Google pull-out] helps anything. I don’t understand how that helps us and I don’t understand how that helps China,” he said.

Google cited cyber attacks from within China as the final straw in a long-running battle against the Chinese authorities since setting up its Chinese operations in 2006.

However Mr Ballmer, whose company’s search engine Bing could benefit if Google surrenders its 30 per cent share of the Chinese search market, questioned the significance of the cyber attacks which Google detected in December and affected more than 30 major corporations.

“There are attacks every day. I don’t think there was anything unusual, so I don’t understand,” he said, “We’re attacked every day from all parts of the world and I think everybody else is too. We didn’t see anything out of the ordinary.”

The Obama administration has given full support to Google, demanding an 'explanation’ for the hacking attacks which it said raised 'very serious concerns’ about both freedom of speech and the trust needed to underpins a globalised economy..

“It seems to me that the principles that Google is trying to uphold are not just important in a moral or rights framework, but are also of very considerable economic importance,” said senior White Senior White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers on Thursday.

China has so far shown no signs of giving ground over Google’s demand to be allowed to operate in China uncensored, insisting that web controls are essential to maintain the “stability and harmony” of the Chinese nation.

Yesterday some of China’s most prominent human rights activists claimed that they had had their Google email accounts hacked.

Source : China begins monitoring billions of text messages as censorship increases - Telegraph

 

[RPK]

^^^

I think CCP creating more business for indian IT companies

 

[gpit]

Recently, Mr. David Drummond (SVP, Corporate Development and Chief Legal Officer of Google) posted in official Google blog an article, in an attempt to disseminate the reason for Google’s potential retreat from China
Official Google Blog: A new approach to China

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Second, we have evidence to suggest that a primary goal of the attackers was accessing the Gmail accounts of Chinese human rights activists.

Third, as part of this investigation but independent of the attack on Google, we have discovered that the accounts of dozens of U.S.-, China- and Europe-based Gmail users who are advocates of human rights in China appear to have been routinely accessed by third parties.
...

From the statements, it looks like Google is very concerned about human rights in China, which is always politically correct. And it also appears as if Google is in such an antagonism that it can’t help to protect those who suffered or help the suffered, but to furl up its banner of defeat and go home.

Is Google really more human rights concerned than its business interest?

The answer is a resounding NO!

Facts show that Google has infamous track record in cooperation with local governments. It will do anything to follow local laws/traditions to protect its business interests.

In 2007, after a Google user posted a profane picture of the Hindu saint Shivaji to Google's social network, Orkut, Indian authorities contacted Google to ask for his IP address. Google complied. Then, Indian cops took that information to the ISP, Airtel. Airtel handed over a physical address that it claimed corresponded with Google's data. But it was the wrong physical address, leading to Lakshmana Kailas K's subsequent arrest, harassment and beatings.
Indian police beat man Google helped arrest - airtel - Gawker

In 2008, a then 22-year old Indian IT professional Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid wrote in Google Orkut web: “I hate Sonia Gandhi.” Google was relentless in releasing the dissident’s information to GOI, causing him to be arrested. Hit Pause On The Evil Button: Google Assists In Arrest Of Indian Man

Then why Google retreats?

Because Google, like many other arrogant Western IT corporates, fails in business competition in China, yet Google executives need an excuse to its share-holders.

Let’s not mention the leaving of Taiwan-born Chinese IT genius Lee Kai-Fu from Google in 2009, which stirred a quite bit ripples in the world IT arena, but just have a look at how some Western Internet giants experienced/have experienced the commercial vicissitude in China.

1999, two Harvard Chinese graduates created Eachnet ??? - ????????? 2002, eBay, in an ambitious attempt to entering huge Chinese market, bought 33% EachNet’s share with $30million cash. eBay and EachNet total occupied a whooping 90% of Chinese online trade market.

4 years after EachNet’s creation, Taobao ÌÔ±¦Íø - ÌÔ£¡ÎÒϲ»¶ entered the competition. Compared with an elephant eBay/eachNet combined, Taobao was only a tiny ant. It was not even qualified to enter ebay’s exclusion list. Nonetheless, in 2006, 3 years later, Taobao took 72% of the market, eBay/eachNet 20%! Badly beaten eBay had to retreat from Chinese market “elegantly” by announcing merging of Tom.com.

Yahoo suffered the similar fate in China. Eventually it has to sell its Chinese share to native Chinese Alibaba Alibaba Manufacturer Directory - Suppliers, Manufacturers, Exporters & Importers.

Look at Google. Lured by potential profit from vast and lucrative Chinese market, it recruited Lee Kai-Fu from Microsoft with huge monetary rewards. But it failed to retain him. In searching business in China, Google’s main competitor is Baidu °Ù¶Èһϣ¬Äã¾ÍÖªµÀ. In 2006, baidu took 56.6% of the market in China, Google however only had a run-up position of 32.8%. Of the 32.8%, only 1% uses Google.cn, the rest Google.com. Reportedly CNNIC (China Internet Network Information Center) finds in September 2009 that 12.7% Chinese internet users use Google, whereas 77.2% choose Baidu as the first choice.

Obviously, even though it has spent greatly in China, Google’s share in China is meager, and Google’s business in China is a failure.

What should Western IT Companies learn from Google?

You either don’t go China and forget the profits there or
0) stop being arrogant and, thereupon, foolish,
1) learn Chinese history,
2) learn Chinese culture,
3) Learn Chinese language,
4) Learn the Chinese,
5) Learn Chinese market.
6) Stop whining or finding irrelevant hollow excuses if you fail.

A silly question for smart Google: how can you prevent allegedly gmail account attacks by quitting from China? Rumor went that even Pentagon was hacked in.

 

[gpit]

What do yo mean by "start censorship"?

Just like India government and any other governments, Chinese government never stops the censorship.

 

[Communist]

The silliest question for the smartest Google:

How can you prevent allegedly gmail account attacks by quitting from China?




Well, imagine Google the smartest girl, and Baidu the silliest boy. The best match...!!

 

[gpit]

I am not anti Chinese, but this singular incident has shown that China indeed has Great "Firewalls" and The Real China is Some what invisible, till a freedom of Expression is given.

When The Gov is Not interested to give freedom even for corporate interests , one can imagine the level of secrecy being deployed in other areas too.

All i can say is, China is a Gr8 nation but Technological and Economical Advancement is of lesser importance than freedom to a common man.

Perhaps even Pakistan is better in this regard where people can protest and Bring back a Judge removed in an incorrect fashion.

Our Chinese friends may bring more light to the issue.

Ou yeah?

Then who is Lakshmana Kailas K Indian police beat man Google helped arrest - airtel - Gawker ?

And who is Rahul Krishnakumar Vaid Hit Pause On The Evil Button: Google Assists In Arrest Of Indian Man ?

 

[gpit]

...

Meanwhile, the Web war between Google and China was just hotting up. Yahoo Inc backed rival Google’s threatened departure from China because of computer attacks that pried into the e-mail accounts of human rights activists. In a statement issued on Wednesday, Yahoo said it’s “aligned” with Google’s reaction to the hacking that originated within China. Google has promised to stop censoring its search results in China, defying the country’s government. The move may result in Google pulling out of China.
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What a joke!

Yahoo already sold most of its Chinese share to Alibaba, and now it is raving about quitting?

It's materially quitted years ago.

Funny to see it's joining anit-China chorus.

 

[mjnaushad]

Only a chinese can answer it that are these things really censored? And even if they are its there problem. Apna bacha choor kar parosi key bachey ki taleem o tarbiat ki fikar lagi rehti hai tum logo ko.

 

[Awesome]

Merged the gazillion threads on this issue.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Only a chinese can answer it that are these things really censored? And even if they are its there problem. Apna bacha choor kar parosi key bachey ki taleem o tarbiat ki fikar lagi rehti hai tum logo ko.

Mate a Corporate Giant Like Google is Exiting From China is NOT a small news. I have no mood of China Bashing nor its needed.

I didnt even said a word about China but simply the "freedom of expression" which concerns even Google !

Besides, when even a small happening in India ( Thanks to our Super active Media ) gets discussed at length why dont u say ....

Apna bacha choor kar parosi key bachey ki taleem o tarbiat ki fikar lagi rehti hai tum logo ko

??

 

[conworldus]

^^^

I think CCP creating more business for indian IT companies

Haha probably not. China has a huge talent pool and a more sophisticated software industry.