Gone the days of TVC?

[aboutimeee]

hi guys i found this video, some of this might be a little exaggerated but on the other a lot of the other functions will be top secret. according to the video thrust vectoring in obsolete as the pilot has 360 degrees situational awareness and the missiles can even be launched backwards. wat do u ppl think?

 

[RAZOR]

according to the video thrust vectoring in obsolete as the pilot has 360 degrees situational awareness and the missiles can even be launched backwards

its also been done before on Russian flankers with rear facing radars and missiles


observe the exhaust plume in the smaller photos

Russian Aviation Page: Rearward firing missile

 

[Zarbe Momin]

Very nice better radar system and a2a missel can change things, manuverability is not very important.

 

[aboutimeee]

its also been done before on Russian flankers with rear facing radars and missiles

hmm Impressed, good technical exercise, i though of putting a rear facing radars but then you will need to put one on the front as well and you cant have two radars in real life it will make it heavier, and similar with rear facing missiles, one could have rotating missiles but then again having rotating missile mounts would make the thing even heavier and it will be impossible to rotate the missiles at high speed.

 

[saiko]

Lol. The big, bad Su-35 wipes out the Eurofighter Typhoon easily, which is then destroyed by the JSF without it breaking a sweat. yeah if that's not unprofessional marketing i don't know what is.

Here's the problem with that scenario - no sane JSF pilot is going to ever attempt that. Flying straight and egressing immediately (even at high speed) is a fast way to die - the opposing aircraft (especially one with TVC) will cut throttle and go vertical to burn energy quickly for a quick turn, fire a heat seeker at the JSF engine's enormous heat signature at 90 degrees off boresight just as fast as that missile can get turned around.

And frankly, if your plan was to blow through the merge and egress you would be better off trying to fire your missile pre-merge, head-on.

 

[Munir]

Since missiles got tvc ou can say that the days are gone...

 

[aboutimeee]

well in this thread im NOT trying to bring up the olddd BVR and TVC argument, that has been discussed 100s of time in 100s of different treads. wat im trying to talk about is the old fashion close in dog fight, try to get on others 6 O' clock and all the classic dog fight maneuvers where TVC is very useful. but in this f35 system combined with helmet mounted sight you know where the enemy is always and whether hes at front or 6 O'clock, left, right, above and below you can get a lock on and shot. making high maneuverability obsolete.

PS: this coffee dude is so cute lol

 

[Munir]

well in this thread im NOT trying to bring up the olddd BVR and TVC argument, that has been discussed 100s of time in 100s of different treads. wat im trying to talk about is the old fashion close in dog fight, try to get on others 6 O' clock and all the classic dog fight maneuvers where TVC is very useful. but in this f35 system combined with helmet mounted sight you know where the enemy is always and whether hes at front or 6 O'clock, left, right, above and below you can get a lock on and shot. making high maneuverability obsolete.

PS: this coffee dude is so cute lol

7 posts and defining new rules? If you had read something about DRFM hen you would know that it depends on countering... So, without being rude, you should try to answer it before asking something that is obvious... As long as you do not have ecm/eccm/DRFM you probably have more problems if you have bigger mass...

 

[Tang0]

throttle and go vertical to burn energy quickly for a quick turn, fire a heat seeker at the JSF engine's enormous heat signature at 90 degrees off boresight just as fast as that missile can get turned around.

And frankly, if your plan was to blow through the merge and egress you would be better off trying to fire your missile pre-merge, head-on.

Hmm, the JSF has a huge heat signature from the front does it now? Interesting notion, care to provide support?

 

[saiko]

Hmm, the JSF has a huge heat signature from the front does it now? Interesting notion, care to provide support?

Did not imply that. We're talking post-merge scenarios here, with the JSF flying straight and egressing after the merge. Which means as soon as the opposing plane turns 90 degreess (and assuming 90 degree off boresight) he has a shot at the JSF's rear.