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Our illiterate people cant judge the corrupt politicians of pakistan , the dictators are 100 times better than corrupt politicians !!

You are better than other people because of the random nature of birth and the fact that you landed in a house that was in an urban area to a family with a strong financial and socio-economic background?

Self-righteous, moralistic, apolitical and downright ignorant behaviour symbolizes lack of education. Thankfully, many a illiterate are much more educated than the people trolling around these forums and catharisizing in the coffee shops catering to the intellectually hollow people with fat wallets.
 
Musharraf sold people for 2 to 3 thousand dollars everyone knows that. Though Afia may be related to people that committed crimes it doesn't mean she is guilty. Two of her children are missing what are their crimes?

He locked up the chief justice he sold Pakistani assets for less than they were worth.

Musharraf mistreated A Q Khan. No crime was committed. Musharraff personally admitted that some of the stuff he spread about AQ khan wasn't true.


Musharraf could have easily stopped a lot of the terrorist activity that was growing in Pakistan.

Musharraff did not beleive in a Islamic republic of Pakistan but a secular one. Musharraf locked up many politicians without trial.


There were developments yes and some were because of him but he did a lot of bad thing, and if you break the law you pay the price, we should not make exceptions for anyone.

As for the economy he privatized much of pakistan's assets, the cost of food sky rocketed after Musharraf's take over.

Plus some of you say that dicatators did a better job and so Musharraf should come back but you are contradicting your self because Musharraf can no longer assume the dictatorship. He has no one.

I would suggest looking at Imran Khan he's not corrupt he's patriotic caring and has his mind in the right place also he's a strong believer in the system.
 
We were on top during Musharraf's rule.
 
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Musharraf Casts Himself as 'Viable Alternative'

NOVEMBER 12, 2010
By TOM WRIGHT

NEW YORK—Former President Pervez Musharraf underlined his ambitions to return to Pakistan to contest elections in 2013, casting himself as a tested politician who can turn around the country's dire economic problems.

Mr. Musharraf, a former army chief, took power in a 1999 coup. His decade in government largely coincided with a period of solid economic growth.

Three months after he resigned in August 2008, the country called in the International Monetary Fund to bail it out of a balance-of-payments crisis.

Since then, the country has been unable to get a hold on its growing budget deficit, forcing it to ramp up International Monetary Fund borrowing to $11 billion. And other indicators, such as inflation and joblessness, have also worsened as economic growth has slowed.

Some economists say Mr. Musharraf was the beneficiary of a vibrant global economy while in power. Others say the balance-of-payments crisis in 2008, in part caused by rising costs of imported fuel oil, were a legacy of his administration's failure to implement structural reforms.

Nevertheless, Mr. Musharraf is betting his administration's economic record, and declining ratings for President Asif Ali Zardari's administration amid the economic crisis, will help propel him back to power.

"Now that Pakistan is in turmoil, the people of Pakistan remember what they had," Mr. Musharraf said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. "They want a viable alternative."

Mr. Musharraf last month formally launched a new political party, the All Pakistan Muslim League, which he plans to use as a vehicle to contest the 2013 general elections.

The challenges that await him at home are stiff. Many of Pakistan's political elite are set against Mr. Musharraf, who they claim usurped power and then held on to it through constitutional changes that eroded democracy.

Nawaz Sharif, head of the opposition Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz party, has been vocal in calling for Mr. Musharraf to face trial on his return to Pakistan for treason.

Mr. Sharif was unseated after Mr. Musharraf took power in the 1999 coup. Mr. Zardari, who became president after democratic elections in 2008, is also opposed to his return.

For now, Mr. Musharraf is in self-imposed exile in London, biding his time for a comeback. "I'm prepared to go back," he said. "When I've created a certain environment—and before the next election—I will go back."

He points out there is no legal case against him and that both the country's Supreme Court and National Assembly backed his constitutional changes at the time. "They don't want me to come back and enter politics. But I know that there's no case."

Part of his strategy is to hit the campaign trail in the U.S. and the U.K., where there is a large Pakistani diaspora. On his current U.S. trip, Mr. Musharraf says he has visited seven cities.

In doing so, he resembles Thaksin Shinawatra, Thailand's former prime minister, who lives in self-imposed exile in London and Dubai and regularly holds meetings around the world with supporters.

Whereas Mr. Thaksin clearly has a strong following among poor, rural Thais, the appeal of Mr. Musharraf among voters, having never contested an election, is less certain. "There's an even chance of me succeeding," he says.

Mr. Musharraf points toward his 350,000 "fans" on the social-networking portal Facebook as testimony to his popularity among young voters. Likewise, his ability to raise $3 million for the victims of this summer's flooding in Pakistan speaks to his reach, Mr. Musharraf claims.

On Pakistan's troubles with Islamist militancy, Mr. Musharraf takes a mainstream line, similar to Mr. Zardari's government: The rise of militancy is a consequence of the war in Afghanistan, stretching back to the Soviet invasion three decades ago, and Pakistan is a victim.

Mr. Musharraf said that 2,500 Pakistani soldiers have died fighting the Pakistan Taliban, including 300 officers from the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, the military spy agency which the U.S. has blamed for supporting elements of the Taliban. The U.S. believes Pakistan views some Taliban factions as a useful hedge in Afghanistan to counter the influence of its rival India there once U.S. troops begin to pull out, as President Barack Obama has indicated they will do from July 2011.

"I don't think Pakistan is the problem. Pakistan is the victim of whatever has been happening over the past 30 years," he said. "Pakistan is fighting against the Taliban and al Qaeda in its own interests."

Mr. Musharraf won plaudits from the U.S. for arresting senior al Qaeda leaders, including Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, during his time in power. But he also was criticized for cutting peace deals with the Taliban, allowing them to dig a toehold in the tribal regions that border Afghanistan.

He said dealing with some parts of the Taliban, who draw their fighters largely from ethnic Pashtun who live on either side of the border, is a necessity to achieve peace.

Mr. Musharraf pointed out that the U.S. has recently backed peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government.

But he termed Mr. Obama's decision to set a deadline for starting a troop drawdown in Afghanistan "a mistake."

First, the U.S. needs to be in a dominant military position. And the U.S. also needs to ensure that Pashtuns, the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan, have a fair stake in Mr. Karzai's government, which is not the case now, he said.

On U.S. drone strikes, Mr. Musharraf acknowledged they had killed senior militants in the tribal regions. But he called them a "double-edged weapon" because they also cause civilian deaths and are resented by many Pakistanis.

Musharraf Casts Himself as 'Viable Alternative' - WSJ.com
 
You are better than other people because of the random nature of birth and the fact that you landed in a house that was in an urban area to a family with a strong financial and socio-economic background?

Self-righteous, moralistic, apolitical and downright ignorant behaviour symbolizes lack of education. Thankfully, many a illiterate are much more educated than the people trolling around these forums and catharisizing in the coffee shops catering to the intellectually hollow people with fat wallets.

sir
its a sorry state of affairs I understand what you are saying but the fact is
urban or rural class, educated and rich or poor aside all of us are done by the same group of politicians and their children and their grand children

coming back to the topic, the majority of the opposition against Mussharaf is based on wrong reasons. mostly emotional & personal (In case of Nawaz league)
my citicism is that he failed to rid us of the political dynasties that he promised to break and couldnt deliver on some key issues like power crises and the provensial grievances.

the bad luck was the terrorist attack on the trade centre and the eventual invasion by USA of Afghanistan. the way CJ acted was not all noble it had more to do with this Pakistani psychi of getting the piece in the power politics. that situation was all too good for nawaz who openly funded and supported the Lawyers and turned them into a political foot soldiers to oust his rival doing all the dirty work for him.
 
US embassy cables: Pakistan backs US drone attacks on tribal areas

Tuesday 30 November 2010 21.30 GMT Article historySaturday, 23 August 2008, 14:12
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 ISLAMABAD 002802
SIPDIS
EO 12958 DECL: 08/23/2018
TAGS PREL, PTER, PGOV, EAID, PK
SUBJECT: IMMUNITY FOR MUSHARRAF LIKELY AFTER ZARDARI'S
ELECTION AS PRESIDENT
REF: (A) ISLAMABAD 2742 (B) ISLAMABAD 2741
Classified By: Anne W. Patterson, for reasons 1.4 (b)(d)

(C) Summary. In separate meetings with Asif Zardari, PM Gilani and Chief of Army Staff Kayani, Ambassador pressed for quick action on immunity for former President Musharraf. Zardari and Gilani said flatly that they were committed to providing immunity, but not until after the presidential election (now scheduled for September 6). Pushing immunity now, they believed, could jeopardize Zardari's candidacy. Kayani expressed concern that if immunity becomes tied up with the ongoing debate over the judges' future, it may never happen. Zardari plans to continue to slow roll action on the judges' restoration but remains confident that Nawaz Sharif will not walk out of the coalition. Nawaz's deadlines for action on the judges continue to pass unfulfilled; the next one is scheduled for August 27. The decision by the Muttahida Quami Movement (MQM) August 20 to back Zardari for President has strengthened Zardari's hand against Nawaz. Nawaz is left with the option of walking out of the coalition but having little prospect of forcing a new general election in the short term. Zardari is walking tall these days, hopefully not too tall to forget his promise to Kayani and to us on an immunity deal. End Summary.

2. (C) Ambassador met with Pakistan People's Party (PPP) leader Asif Zardari on August 23, with PM Gilani on August 21, and with COAS Kayani on August 20.

3. (C) Zardari told Ambassador August 23 that he was committed to indemnity for Musharraf. Ambassador stressed that only the promise of indemnity had persuaded Musharraf to step down as President. We believed, as we had often said, that Musharraf should have a dignified retirement and not be hounded out of the country. Zardari cited a British anecdote about the Spanish empire and said "tell the most powerful man in the world that there is no way that I would go back on what I have said." Zardari noted that he already had firmly committed to the U.S., the UK, and Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Kayani that indemnity for Musharraf would be forthcoming. Ambassador urged him to do it quickly. Zardari said flatly that to do it before he was elected President would lose him votes, but he would do both the legislation and a presidential pardon as soon as he was elected. Zardari revealed that former President Musharraf had approached Chief Justice Dogar about issuing a restraining order against the impeachment motion, but Dogar had refused. Zardari also alleged that Musharraf had planned to replace COAS Kayani if Dogar had blocked the impeachment. 4. (C) Zardari said he was trying to keep Nawaz in the coalition and was candid that he planned to tie up the judges issue for a long time. He said the parliament would debate the restoration of the judges; Chief Justice Dogar would then submit some rulings on the restoration of the judges; all this could take months. In the meantime, he was trying to persuade former Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry to become Governor of Balochistan. (Note: In a move clearly orchestrated by Zardari, the Governor Magsi of Balochistan resigned on August 20, making it possible to offer the position to Chaudhry.)

5. (C) Zardari said he did not think Nawaz would leave the coalition, but he admitted the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz had become increasingly testy. He said that he had already agreed with Nawaz to curtail the powers of the President and then allow Nawaz to be eligible for a third term as Prime Minister; both measures would require constitutional amendments. Zardari revealed that he also had leverage over Shahbaz Sharif, who through paperwork snafus, had been technically elected illegally for a third term as Chief Minister. This, too, would have to be resolved in parliament, Zardari said. "So I can give them something they want," noted Zardari, "that's what politics is all about."

Kayani Worried

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6. (C) After an August 20 meeting with visiting S/CT Coordinator Dell Dailey, Kayani asked Ambassador to stay behind and discuss his concerns that Zardari was delaying

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Musharraf,s immunity bill. Kayani had heard the large meeting of coalition partners (chaired August 19 by the newly returned Bilawal Bhutto) had discussed mostly the judges. Then they decided to take a 72-hour "break" to consult party members.

7. (C) As post earlier reported (Reftels), Kayani said he took Zardari,s commitments to now ex-President Musharraf as the most important argument in persuading him to resign. Zardari made very specific commitments to Kayani. Now, for Zardari to delay, it makes him (Kayani) look bad within his own institution "and I have to bring the Army along with me." Kayani also noted that the delay does nothing for Zardari,s reputation for trustworthiness. If this issue gets conflated with the judges and with Zardari,s own desires to be President, it will become too complicated to pass, Kayani said.

Gilani on Immunity, Bajaur, Subsidies

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8. (C) Ambassador met with PM Gilani and Interior Minister Rehman Malik for thirty minutes August 21, after a graduation ceremony for U.S. trained members of his protective detail. He had been briefed about PDAS Camp's discussion with Ambassador Haqqani.

9. (C) Gilani said the PPP was going to provide immunity for ex-President Musharraf, but timing was important. They were afraid that putting forward immunity legislation would lose them votes for Asif Zardari,s presidential campaign. Ambassador pressed on this issue, saying that Musharraf would never have agreed to resign without the promise of immunity. He assured Ambassador that he and the party did not want vengeance. Regarding immunity, Gilani said "many will say that we have done a deal with America, but still I understand that we have to do it."


10. (C) Regarding the ongoing military operation on Bajaur (in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas), Gilani assured Ambassador that it will continue "to its conclusion," i.e., until all the militants were driven out. Gilani said the next step would be to go after Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud. Gilani wanted President Bush to know that over 500 militants had been killed in the operation and that the GOP had reached out to NATO (during General Kayani's recent visit to Afghanistan for a tripartite meeting). He said Pakistan would do everything possible to encourage cooperation between the U.S. and Pakistani militaries. Gilani noted that Pakistan was using its F-16 aircraft to fight the militants and thanked the U.S. for providing funding for the F-16 mid-life upgrades. However, Gilani pleaded for urgent U.S. assistance in providing relief for displaced people around Bajaur and noted that fighting was spreading to neighboring Mohmand Agency.

11. (C) Malik suggested we hold off alleged Predator attacks until after the Bajaur operation. The PM brushed aside Rehman,s remarks and said "I don,t care if they do it as long as they get the right people. We,ll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it." (Note: The strike has been front page news, but the media is reporting that the targets were nests of Arab fighters.)

12. (C) Gilani said it would be almost politically impossible to reduce fuel subsidies (raise prices) in the short term along the lines Deputy Secretary Kimmitt had suggested to the Finance Minister. The coalition had restoration of the deposed judges, immunity for Musharraf, and the election of the new president on their plate. They were already taking enormous heat for previous fuel price increases.

13. (C) Comment: Nawaz may increasingly be considering leaving the coalition in the center and consolidating his hold in the Punjab because he cannot engineer a new general election in the short term. The addition of MQM's support leaves Nawaz with less leverage over Zardari in the current coalition. The fight over Iftikhar Chaudhry probably is based on Nawaz's expectation that Chaudhry would rule in both Nawaz's and Shahbaz's favor in pending court cases

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challenging their ability to run as candidates in the National and Punjab Assemblies respectively. Until he can sit in the National Assembly, Nawaz cannot be Prime Minister.

PATTERSON

US embassy cables: Pakistan backs US drone attacks on tribal areas | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
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WikiLeaks: Kayani is no Musharraf

WikiLeaks has quoted the head of the French Interagency on Afghanistan-Pakistan cell, Jasmine Zerinini as saying that Army Chief General Kayani has learnt his lesson from Musharraf and is staying behind the scenes in Pakistan.
Zernini also told a US diplomat that General Kayani is manipulating the government and parliament into preventing change on Pakistan’s policy in the tribal belt. She added that Kayani also had a role in stirring up controversy regarding the Kerry-Lugar bill – that ties continued US aid to increased civilian control of the military.
Zerinini also argued that the West had missed its opportunity to push the Pakistani military to crush the Afghan Taliban taking refuge in Pakistan.
Citing Jalaluddin Haqqani as an example, Zerinini said in 2004 he had a standing as a leader among the militants, but did not have the organisation to represent a significant military threat. However, since then, large amounts of funding, predominately from Gulf donors, have allowed Haqqani to create a network that would be difficult for the Pakistani military to defeat.
 
So Pakistan army is not acceptable in any form!

leaks are in contradiction to each other.

Seems like US is conspiring to flash the region.
 
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