Girl from Rabwah becomes World Record Holder at age 11

[Zarvan]

playing a victim card? as if their misgivings are ill-founded?
I wish that was true. whats next mock hazaras? by creating a mocking facebook page and celebrate double centuries?

get this. if we are not merciful to Allah's creation then we shouldnt expect any mercy in return.. we get our leaders for our sins. they will snack food from our mouths too if we continue with our bigotry


I corrected my post I meant the derivatives of AWSJ including the TTP, ASWJ was SSP which made LeJ and other violent groups like Ghazi force etc. all genocidal in nature towards shia community , have participated in mass murder of Pakistanis and big attacks on Army and LeJ captures our Col Imam and recorded his video before executing him brutally.
I dont share the Ahmedi faith and have been mostly indifferent to their life and their persecutions but it homed on me when i see how Muslims were treated in India, Burma etc on regular bases and I saw similar stories , victim children full of hope but their lives brutally destroyed by hateful thugs.
therefore I decided to expect or demand no sympathy or mercy from others if I hold hatred towards other faiths.

problem I see here is that the talent of this girl while in Pakistan will take a secondary importance, her faith will be an issue for us and we will stag her in the eye where ever she will go in Pakistan.
I tell myself that I belong to a religion whose Prophet was a Rahmat Al Alameen yet my fellow believers dont even let the dead of this community rest in peace.

People see her faith as major issue is because Ahmedis themselves are trying sell her achievement as achievement of a Muslim.

 

[Spring Onion]

playing a victim card? as if their misgivings are ill-founded?
I wish that was true.

not misgivings or ill-founded but cant you feel the opening poster is unnecessarily trying to portray negativity ?

Rabawah girl having so and so as if rabwah is on mars and not in Pakistan. If these qadyanis do not want to be associate themselves with Pakistan then why you and these qadyanis get offended if Pakistanis ignore their achievements?

the title of this thread is flawed and shows religious hatered by the qadyani poster itself so why cry rivers then

whats next mock hazaras? by creating a mocking facebook page and celebrate double centuries?

hazaraz, facebook, mocking?? so from where all this have come in this thread? and BTW who has mocked qadyanis here? or is it you are quoting someone else/ if so then please address the concerned member and his/her post. At least i did not mock anyone.

get this. if we are not merciful to Allah's creation then we shouldnt expect any mercy in return.. we get our leaders for our sins. they will snack food from our mouths too if we continue with our bigotry

who is showing barbarism to them here? the only thing which is being debated by almost every poster in this thread is the biased thread title which is in my personal opinion overshadowing the fantastic achievement by the Pakistani girl or for that matter this qadyanis Pakistani girl.

If the opening poster for a moment had tried to put aside the feeling of victimization at least in this thread and had put a title "Pakistani Qadyani Girl becomes world record holder at the age of 11" well everyone I am sure on PDF would have celebrated it without any religious bias.

and i do not speak for rulers and their bigotry so yes agree with your opinion about caring for all human regradless of faith

 

[Irfan Baloch]

People see her faith as major issue is because Ahmedis themselves are trying sell her achievement as achievement of a Muslim.

what if in a non-Muslim country the general public has an issue with us Muslims selling ourselves as peace loving human beings? what if they devise a sub race for us? and we insist that we are not like it but they burn us , persecute and and make us put a crescent on our chests? I know their achievements will be secondary and their faith is more important to us.

I doubt if they ever go around shouting hey I am an Ahmedi and a Muslim so up yours. they actually cower with fear and don't want to be noticed and singled out just like the Punjabis or Hazaras travelling by road in Baluchistan who are marched out of the buses and then executed for faith or ethnicity.

by our Law they cant do that. I know them personally they have never demanded to be known or called as Muslims. they try to avoid that discussion and since I have no plan of establishing relations with them so their faith doesn't matter to me.

why do we find it troubling that they cry their victimhood? is it worse than the punishment they receive day and night? I wonder.

 

[Spring Onion]

JUD and LET and JEM never worked against Pakistan so why we should see them as enemies or any irony when they protest in favor of Army. Now as for ASWJ crackdown has begun and one major leader Ahsan Farooqi is in Jail

They had worked against Pakistan. They are involved in terrorism against Pakistanis. In many prominent attacks on Army the people from these terror groups are involved.

They are enemies of the country

 

[Pakistani E]

I mentioned this before and my post were deleted...Let say the news was posted Pakistani achieved this and that....Tell me honestly, how many will ask if she is Ahmadi, shia, sunni or whatever? How many will think of asking such a question let alone undermine it?

Then you are clearly unaware of numerous incidents where students were expelled from universities and schools after it was found out that they were Ahmadis. As for how many will ask, let me ask you if you studied in a government school, because I did in Pakistan and no matter how much you try to avoid it, everyone wants to know what your religion, sect etc is. Now I am not saying that it is all bad, on the contrary the vast number of Pakistanis are decent enough to not let religious differences interfere in their friendships etc, but a large number of students, teachers and schools do have a problem. I have seen it personally, so my experiences are ingrained from my personal circumstances. You are free to disagree or not believe me entirely.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Sir, if you read my post again (copied below), their belief is mentioned in law. My point was don't blame the ignorant masses, take it up with GoP.

Why blame Muslims here when their disbelief is mentioned in the Constitution? I heard you have to declare the finality of Prophet hood in applying for a passport.

I suggest you take it up with the GoP before you blame the masses. She has done really well for herself and I'm happy for her.


On off-topic matter and this is not just directed at Irfan; this is exactly what many people have experienced on PDF. It is annoying when a person posts something different and the respondent answers what he want the post to be.

An example of this post is clear to see here. I mentioned discrimination of qaddiyanis under the constituition. Blaming the ignorant masses does not wash. This matter needs to taken up with the GoP for a change in law.

So Irfan talking about fanaticism, harassing, cursing, etc is the symptom of the law.

Your right there. The driver for this hate is the law and only GOP can only address that. The problem we have in Pakistan is real "democracy" or "too much democracy". That may sound strange because most people will consider Western countries as models of democracy. Not quite. The answer is more nuanced then that. Let me explain.

I live in UK. If tomorrow a referandum or vote was held and the the question put to the public was. Throw all Pakistan/Muslim orgin people out of UK the ayes would win and nays would lose. There is a very strong undercurrent in UK that is sick of Muslims and in particular Pakistani people. They want them kicked out of UK.

In the same way if a vote was held tomorow to ban homosexuality the ayes would win and nays would lose. Again underneath the public face most Britons at heart are not happy with Gays being given right to get married etc.

So if real democracy was practiced in UK all Muslims and Gays would be in trouble. However in UK real democracy is not about counting number of heads on any issue. There is a active political class in UK composed of intellectuels, the middle class that effectively dominates all political parties. This ruling class that dominates UK politics believes in cetain principles that might be termed "politically correct" or PC.

It is they who make sure that the ugly thoughts that ripple among the mass of UK people are assuaged and controlled. This is done by media, the law and social pressure. The result is most of the population despite not being happy accept the views of the political class.

This is done like I said by using media, social pressure, law and economics. The ruling class makes sure the average Briton has food, car, house, holiday, drink and get to watch football. In other words the average person is get happy.

However there are always few on the fringe who don't let money, drink, holidays mask their feelings. These people end up forming fringe parties like BNP or EDL. In very rare cases some go on to use voilence to advocate their views.

An extreme fringe of this mentality is representated by people like Davide Copeland who wanted to kill Pakistani, Indians, Muslims, Blacks and homosexuel people.

David Copeland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

David Copeland was extremists but trust me millions of millions of English people hold similar but latent views. If a Nazi leader took over UK they would all marching and saluting him. However this brings me back to my original point. THe ruling class have certain outlook. Call it Western liberalism. They may have certain differanes that is why they have differant political parties however Western liberalism has certain sharied beliefs. On that they are all united.

Since this group dominates the media, political parties and business they effectively suppress all the latent racist or anti gay feelings. If any political or public figure makes any comments that go against the views of this group watch how the entire politicasl class will gang up and will use media and even economic pressure to destroy that person.

Some years back English football manager made a comment that "disabled people were born that way because of wrongs they had done in their past life". There was such a outcry from media and even PM got involved. He lost his jo and was forced to apologize to the dsabled people. This is what you get when you have a ruling class that dominates everything and shoves it's beliefs down the throat of most English people.

So democracy does not mean they get what they want. No, Sir. Instead it is like going to McDonalads. You can have any food you want as long as it is from the menu. Big Mac, Fish o'Fillet or Veg Burgher. You can't order "Karahi Ghosht".

In Pakistan we have "gutter politics". If this was practiced in England the fastest way of winning votes would be to say "kick Muslims out" and watch how many votes you would get although in UK the entire political class would turn against you. In Pakistan you can get plenty of votes by playing with people's base instincts like rallying them against Ahmedi or Christians. The result is what you see in Pakistan.

I would argue we have too much democracy in Pakistan.

Ps. Another central belief with the Western liberals is they have become strongly pro Jews. The fastest way you want to kill your political career is make some derogatory comment about Jews and you will be finished. Go ask ex Labour MP George Golloway that.

 

[Spring Onion]

Then you are clearly unaware of numerous incidents where students were expelled from universities and schools after it was found out that they were Ahmadis. As for how many will ask, let me ask you if you studied in a government school, because I did in Pakistan and no matter how much you try to avoid it, everyone wants to know what your religion, sect etc is. Now I am not saying that it is all bad, on the contrary the vast number of Pakistanis are decent enough to not let religious differences interfere in their friendships etc, but a large number of students, teachers and schools do have a problem. I have seen it personally, so my experiences are ingrained from my personal circumstances. You are free to disagree or not believe me entirely.

May be that is the case with schools in Punjab but at least here in my province of Pakistan, KPK we have not seen any such thing about knowing religion of fellow students.

can you put forward authentic data about students expelled on basis of their religion?

 

[syedali73]

what if in a non-Muslim country the general public has an issue with us Muslims selling ourselves as peace loving human beings? what if they devise a sub race for us? and we insist that we are not like it but they burn us , persecute and and make us put a crescent on our chests? I know their achievements will be secondary and their faith is more important to us.

I doubt if they ever go around shouting hey I am an Ahmedi and a Muslim so up yours. they actually cower with fear and don't want to be noticed and singled out just like the Punjabis or Hazaras travelling by road in Baluchistan who are marched out of the buses and then executed for faith or ethnicity.

by our Law they cant do that. I know them personally they have never demanded to be known or called as Muslims. they try to avoid that discussion and since I have no plan of establishing relations with them so their faith doesn't matter to me.

why do we find it troubling that they cry their victimhood? is it worse than the punishment they receive day and night? I wonder.

If they cower (as per your claim) and don't trumpet their true identity (due to fear or whatever), how on earth would they get persecuted? who would know they are Qadyanis? Qadyani is not written on their foreheads! Unlike Punjabis, who due to their ID cards and language, and Hazaras, who due to their facial features could easily be spotted, Qadyanis cant be identified just like that and when they are not spotted, how they'll be persecuted? Now all that under extremely skewed assumption that each and every Qadyani is specifically targeted and persecuted by each and every so-called Muslim Pakistani. I personally know many Qadyanis who worked under my father and they reached to the ranks of executive and Chief Geologists/Engineer and I am talking about 1980s, the time of so-called Mard-e-Momin who is considered most hateful figure among Qadynis and their apologists.

Have Qadyanis been persecuted, yes, but not as widely and rampantly as they claim or you are presenting here or the entire world would be all upon Pakistan like nobody's business given their influence in the West. Why do we find it troubling that they cry their victimhood, because they do it through making a mountain out of a molehilland and in the process defame Pakistan. There is no such thing as punishment receiving day and night for God's sake unless you prove this level of persecution with numbers and figures. Even most hardcore Qadyanis themselves don't make such absurd claims.

Then you are clearly unaware of numerous incidents where students were expelled from universities and schools after it was found out that they were Ahmadis.

You Sir better support your claims with proof, any proof. It has never happened that students are expelled from learning Institution only because they were Qadyanis.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Then you are clearly unaware of numerous incidents where students were expelled from universities and schools after it was found out that they were Ahmadis. As for how many will ask, let me ask you if you studied in a government school, because I did in Pakistan and no matter how much you try to avoid it, everyone wants to know what your religion, sect etc is. Now I am not saying that it is all bad, on the contrary the vast number of Pakistanis are decent enough to not let religious differences interfere in their friendships etc, but a large number of students, teachers and schools do have a problem. I have seen it personally, so my experiences are ingrained from my personal circumstances. You are free to disagree or not believe me entirely.

I must say our armed forces have been a buffer against such hatred in our society. I personally know a n old ahmedi friend and airforce officer. he prefers not to discuss the matter and I respect that.

I didnt mean to offend people here by bringing up the issues the Ahmedi community faces. being an open forum I was expecting that my honest comments will be allowed and respected but I feel bullied and harassed here and posts after posts confirm what I feared that personal achievements and service to society mean not much if someone is of a wrong faith. recall that Ahmedi doctor that came back from America to Lahore and his life was wasted by a bullet to the heart.... may his soul rest in peace.

the problem with us Pakistanis can be summed up like this

• We deny that there is anything wrong with us
• When we reluctantly acknowledge it, we play down its importance
• when it hits us on our face we blame it on the world

 

[syedali73]

I must say our armed forces have been a buffer against such hatred in our society. I personally know a n old ahmedi friend and airforce officer. he prefers not to discuss the matter and I respect that.

I didnt mean to offend people here by bringing up the issues the Ahmedi community faces. being an open forum I was expecting that my honest comments will be allowed and respected but I feel bullied and harassed here and posts after posts confirm what I feared that personal achievements and service to society mean not much if someone is of a wrong faith. recall that Ahmedi doctor that came back from America to Lahore and his life was wasted by a bullet to the heart.... may his soul rest in peace.

the problem with us Pakistanis can be summed up like this

• We deny that there is anything wrong with us
• When we reluctantly acknowledge it, we play down its importance
• when it hits us on our face we blame it on the world

And people in the Armed forces come not from Mars but from the same society and that is enough a proof that society as a whole is not hateful towards Qadyanis. Considering them non-Muslims as per Ijmaa ummah and as per constitution of Pakistan is one thing, persecuting them for their belief is quite another. I can swear upon Allah that during all my education in Pakistan, I have come to know Qadyanis, they were my friends, and I never spotted a single incidence where they (or their parents) were treated unjustly only because of their belief.

The problems you have identified is not with US Pakistanis but with SOME Pakistanis. Please do not tar all Pakistanis with same brush.

 

[Dubious]

Then you are clearly unaware of numerous incidents where students were expelled from universities and schools after it was found out that they were Ahmadis.

WTH? No I have not heard of such things ....Stupid eggheads .....And no I have never studied in Pakistan....Heck I didnt even know there was such thing as sunni and shia until I was in my late teens didnt know of Ahmadi or Qadyani until I was an adult....So no I have no idea what junk happens and mind you I have a Pakistani passport....not even born on foreign soil

And you labeling me with what has happened to you is truly unfair

 

[VCheng]

did you understand the irony in my post?

to state the obvious. an organisation with genocidal mindset both verbally and practically never misses a chance to paste itself on the front page of the news and up your nose and maybe I am in a minority when I feel like throwing up when this vile organisation leads the "patriotic" marches praises the army (although its current and former members have participated in fighting a brutal war with the armed forces) yet Pakistanis and the media sees nothing wrong with that. so as NFP says, the apologists among us see nothing wrong with ASWJ and its derivatives and see them as angry "brothers" (who can question their faith eh? they are Muslims after all)
so all the hatred and frustration is then channelled against the weak and marginalised communities of Pakistan who cant push us back.

Yessir, I did get the irony. But to keep quiet is "for my own good" as advised.

 

[Jazzbot]

Kudos to her parents.

 

[Zarvan]

They had worked against Pakistan. They are involved in terrorism against Pakistanis. In many prominent attacks on Army the people from these terror groups are involved.

They are enemies of the country

No they aren't they were never involved

 

[Spring Onion]

No they aren't they were never involved

They are, and they were Zarvan do not claim anything on basis of your emotions.