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Pakistan coup rumors: Could the military take over again?
Coup rumors come at a time of great public dissatisfaction with Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari and growing disenchantment among the military with the US alliance.
By Scott Baldauf, Staff writer / December 8, 2011

There’s never a good time to be worried about your health. But when Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari flew to Dubai on Tuesday to undergo tests after what his spokesman called a “minor heart attack,” the rumors grew thick and fast that President Zardari would be ousted in a coup.
Pakistan is a rumor-prone place, despite having a fairly independent press, and both Pakistani and US officials were quick to tamp down any rumors of a military coup. But Zardari’s health problems come at a time when he is deeply unpopular with his own people, both over the usual issues of corruption and over his handling of international relations with the US, which have reached a nadir.

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In theory, the US and Pakistan are allies in the fight against the same terrorist group, Al Qaeda, and supporters of a democratic regime in Afghanistan. But a spate of recent events shows how much the US-Pakistani relationship has soured.
The US capture and killing of Osama bin Laden on May 1, 2011, just yards away from a Pakistani military installation this year
The arrest and release of a CIA contract Raymond Davis for killing two Pakistanis on a motorbike in late January 2011
The continued US use of military drones over Pakistan, aimed at insurgents, but occasionally killing civilians as well
The apparently mistaken November 2011 bombardment of Pakistani soldiers by NATO forces in Afghanistan
And more recently, the withdrawal of Zardari’s ambassador to the US, Husain Haqqani, after news emerged that he supported the civilian government

As the man in the position to stand up to the Americans, Zardari is blamed by many Pakistanis, including some within the Pakistani military, for failing at his job. Opinion polls show that many Pakistanis would like to break off their alliance with the US and cooperation in the war against terror groups. So, while Zardari officials discount coup rumors, the conditions are certainly favorable for one.

"President Zardari's condition is stable, he is fine, he is OK," presidential spokesman Farhatullah Babar told AFP on Thursday. As for rumors of a possible coup, Mr. Babar called them "speculative, imaginary, and untrue."

Zardari appears to have taken senior members of his military staff along with him to Dubai, a move that could very well have been a measure to ensure that he was kept informed of news events back home, or that could also have been intended to ensure that Zardari would indeed be allowed to return back to the country after his treatment.Yet one thing to keep in mind about coups d’etat in Pakistan – and indeed in any country – is that if the military is planning a coup, they generally don’t give warning. When President Nawaz Sharif attempted to replace Army chief Gen. Pervez Musharraf in October 1999, and to prevent his commercial flight from landing in Karachi, there were certainly tensions between the civilian and military, but nothing in the press suggested that a coup was imminent. Pakistan’s military responded by putting Sharif under arrest, taking over airports and major installations, allowing General Musharraf’s plane to land. They held power for the next eight years.
At the time, Musharraf’s aides seemed to be as surprised by the coup as the world was. Consider this comment by Brigadier Rashid Qureshi, quoted in the Guardian.

"You can very well understand that this is not something that one expects to happen every day and whatever was done it was a spontaneous reaction, actually by the army, to what actions, and wrong action, Mr Nawaz Sharif had taken," a military spokesman, Brigadier Rashid Qureshi, said.

One imagines that US embassy officials in Islamabad, meeting with a reasonable, moderate man such as Musharraf, would have discounted concerns that he had ambitions of ousting a civilian leader like Nawaz Sharif to impose military rule. As the Monitor's Bob Marquand reported, days after the coup, those who knew Musharraf described him as moderate in his religious beliefs, and progressive in his personal habits.

"I would call Musharraf a progressive," says Lt. Gen. Talat Masood, a retired officer. "He believes in equality of education among boys and girls. His daughter is an architect married to another architect, and the marriage was not arranged."

US military attaches and diplomats in Islamabad today must keep a running list of who is who within the Pakistani military, and one assumes they also find many of them to be moderate and progressive, if also increasingly upset at the US for what they see as US interference in Pakistan's sovereignty and national interests. Who among them has the kind of personal loyalty of brigade-level officers that Musharraf commanded in his day? Who among them would lead a coup?

US State Department spokesman Mark Toner was quick to assure reporters on Wednesday that the US has “No concerns and no reason to believe" rumors of an imminent coup in Pakistan. There is no reason to doubt this statement. But with all the ferment in Pakistan’s political environment, it is no assurance that a coup won’t happen.
 
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The rumours of Coup is just a B.S. cuz Army don't need to do it and for what???.....our enemy US/NATO is looking for that chance to attack us once again......:smokin:
 
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Pakistan Army should over throw this corrupt NRO enabled government after the recent memogate scandal. All political parties should be banned for next 20 years, country should be put under a care-taker government led by Military and Judiciary. Economy and Terrorism should be the first and only issues to tackle down along with justice system. No one in Pakistan gives a rat's **** about democracy.
 
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This is what PM Gilani said three days ago... as reported by AFP ...Pakistan PM rules out military intervention | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani denied a military intervention was imminent against his government over a secret memo that sought US help to prevent a supposed coup.


“There is no room for a martial law in Pakistan,” Gilani said in a brief televised interaction with the media in Lahore, two days after he met army chief General Ashfaq Kayani in Islamabad.

Pakistan’s military, which has staged four coups, remains the chief power-broker in the country.

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And this is his statement from today...


ISLAMABAD, Dec 22, 2011 (AFP) - Pakistan's embattled Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani Thursday said conspirators were plotting to bring down his government and delivered an unprecedented tirade against the powerful military.

In astonishing confirmation that he fears being ousted, he angrily denied the government was subservient to the army, long considered the chief arbiter of power in Pakistan as his administration grapples with a damaging scandal.

Pressures are at boiling point over a memo, allegedly written with approval from the president, asking for US help to prevent a feared military coup after Osama bin Laden was killed in May.

Rampant speculation that President Asif Ali Zardari could be forced out of office over the scandal and illness has refused to die, despite his return to the capital following two weeks of medical treatment in Dubai.

"I want to make it clear today that conspiracies are being hatched here to pack up the elected government," Gilani told a gathering at the National Arts Gallery, without naming anyone.

"But we will continue to fight for the rights of people of Pakistan whether or not we remain in the government," Gilani said, declaring himself the country's longest serving premier, with 45 months on the job.

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Going on record.. My bet is that there will be a change in power within 4 months from now in Pakistan :D
 
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Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup


(Reuters) - Pakistan's powerful army is fed up with unpopular President Asif Ali Zardari and wants him out of office, but through legal means and without a repeat of the coups that are a hallmark of the country's 64 years of independence, military sources said.

Tensions are rising between Pakistan's civilian leaders and its generals over a memo that accused the army of plotting a coup after the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden in May.

"Who isn't fed up with Zardari? It's not just the opposition and the man on the street but people within the government too," said one military source who asked not to be named.

"But there has to be a proper way. No action is being planned by the army. Even if we tried, it would be very unpopular and not just with the government and the opposition but most Pakistanis too."

The Pakistani military spokesman declined comment.

One of the military sources suggested that no direct action would be needed against the government because it had already made so many mistakes.

"If the government is digging its own grave, we are not going to look for spades," the source said.

The military has reasserted itself after a November 26 NATO cross-border air attack killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and the memo has also given it political ammunition.

"We want anyone involved, be they in government or elsewhere, to be punished. But it is not for us to do anything. If the army moves to do anything it would have national as well as international repercussions," said another military source.

"So that is not likely. Anything that has to be done has to be done by the Supreme Court."

Officials from Zardari's ruling party have played down friction with the military and say they don't fear a coup.

But they fear that some judges in the increasingly aggressive Supreme Court dislike Zardari and could move against him.

"I am not bothered about the army. I think they are acting very sensibly and would not derail the system at the moment," a senior ruling party leader told Reuters.

"The worry probably would be what the Supreme Court does. They look in a mood to manipulate things."

Exclusive: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup | Reuters
 
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One thing I'm sure of is Imran Khan's not winning next general elections. PML-N has strong vote bank in North and Central Punjab. PML-N didn't come into power 5 times in Punjab for no reason, and that is exactly where Imran Khan's aiming. I, for one, at the moment, wouldn't want any other political parties besides PML-N and PPP to come into power for the next at least 3 elections and complete their terms. Only these 2 are the parties who could lessen Military's influence outside it's constitutional domain over time. Zardari's already made attempts to bring ISI under Interior Ministry and has continuously had some kind of involvement in Foreign Policy.
 
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These ghadaris have destroyed Pakistan to the point of no return.
ghadari is towing bharti agenda to destroy Pakistan by killing its industrial base.
 
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Forgot about Armed Forces Influence - If these Parties rule Pakistan for at least next 15 years Pakistan would probably cease to exist.How you can support such corrupt parties just in the name of democracy ( Unless of course you are direct beneficiary of this corruption) is well beyond my understanding.
 
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Media reports suggest the common man Pakistani wants a change. But not just a mily coup which he has seen many times. He wants to follow a true patriot - a "mard e mujahid" to lead him out of the current mess.
 
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i dunno about IK or NS winning the next elections or forming the next gov, but 1 thing is for sure that PPP will face massive defeats & i also feel that their will be a hung parliament with no party having clear majority to form the GOV....
 
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They actually want to remove the government without being blamed for coup.
 
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One thing I'm sure of is Imran Khan's not winning next general elections. PML-N has strong vote bank in North and Central Punjab. PML-N didn't come into power 5 times in Punjab for no reason, and that is exactly where Imran Khan's aiming. I, for one, at the moment, wouldn't want any other political parties besides PML-N and PPP to come into power for the next at least 3 elections and complete their terms. Only these 2 are the parties who could lessen Military's influence outside it's constitutional domain over time. Zardari's already made attempts to bring ISI under Interior Ministry and has continuously had some kind of involvement in Foreign Policy.

i'm assuming, u do live in PK?
 
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