Germany to Pakistan: Terror for political goals unacceptable

[Chinese-Dragon]

For example Sir?

Ohh please do you really want me to quote examples here. I am sure you can use google.From nuclear deals to building infrastructure, dams, ports, Gawadar, and you name it and i havent mentioned military projects. Can you name one between India and Pakistan???

Thank you IceCold! And now for the Chinese point of view.

Pakistan gives us access to the Muslim world, where most of the oil and gas in the world is. Pakistan introduced us to the USA in 1971, concluding with an alliance against the Soviets, which ended with the collapse of the USSR in 1991.

Pakistan gives us access to Central Asia and the Middle East from a geographic point of view, from pipelines to Iran and Central Asia, to the Karakorum highway.

Most importantly, Gwadar port. Which will allow us to bypass the Indian ocean and get supplies much faster from the Persian Gulf.

As an added bonus, India won't try any overt military actions, for fear of being unable to beat China and Pakistan in a two-front war.

 

[Guest01]

Ohh please do you really want me to quote examples here. I am sure you can use google.From nuclear deals to building infrastructure, dams, ports, Gawadar, and you name it and i havent mentioned military projects. Can you name one between India and Pakistan???

I thought you were mentioning exclusive commonalities and those that are not against India. Would you like to try again?

 

[cybertron]

@icecold
agree that he put in a lame argument of india and pakistan deterring china.
but your argument that pakistan has more in common with china than with india is also a lame one.
yes china and pakistan have same stratigic interests in the region but apart from that i cant find any.
plz enlighten me if i missed any

 

[IceCold]

Where did I equate solving bilateral issues to building a stronger deterrence against China? Did it ever occur to you that China and India also share mutual interests? I fail to see delusion here. I was merely posing a question, in case you didn't see the question mark.

I hardly care for cultural ties, it means very little in the business world.

Then i may have misunderstood your post and hence reacted accordingly. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

[Guest01]

Pakistan gives us access to the Muslim world, where most of the oil and gas is. Pakistan introduced us to the USA in 1971 concluding with an alliance against the Soviets, which led to their downfall.

Pakistan gives us access to Central Asia and the Middle East from a geographic point of view, from pipelines to Iran and Central Asia, to the Karakorum highway.

Most importantly, Gwadar port. Which will allow us to bypass the Indian ocean and get supplies much faster from the Persian Gulf.

As an added bonus, India won't try any overt military actions, for fear of being unable to beat China and Pakistan in a two-front war.

So you are sure that China will commit itself to war with India in case of a conflict with Pakistan?

And you will surely notice that , that single point will win you more accolades in Pakistan than any of the other matters.

By the end, what does Pakistan gain from all the developments that you mentioned above? I mean, we have already established that China is surely the winner in the situation so that is beyond the point here.

 

[IceCold]

@icecold
agree that he put in a lame argument of india and pakistan deterring china.
but your argument that pakistan has more in common with china than with india is also a lame one.
yes china and pakistan have same stratigic interests in the region but apart from that i cant find any.
plz enlighten me if i missed any

Before you label my argument as lame, can you please enlighten me over these common interests between India and Pakistan. By the way i have answered what i call common in an early post.

 

[Dalai Lama]

@icecold
agree that he put in a lame argument of india and pakistan deterring china.
but your argument that pakistan has more in common with china than with india is also a lame one.
yes china and pakistan have same stratigic interests in the region but apart from that i cant find any.
plz enlighten me if i missed any

Then you must have misunderstood me too because I was referring to India deterring China not India and Pakistan vs. China. That idea is laughable.

EDIT: So let me clarify my post. I was speculating on what would be the best thing India could do. So the first thing would be to solve the "K" issue. Second thing would be to build a stronger deterrence against China to discourage them from embarking on any misadventures (although unlikely). But let's not digress. As T-Faz said, we have gone way off topic.

 

[justanobserver]

So you are sure that China will commit itself to war with India in case of a conflict with Pakistan?

China ain't gonna attack India if there is an Indo-Pak war, however it'll demand support of Pakistan incase of an Indo-China war

 

[IceCold]

I thought you were mentioning exclusive commonalities and those that are not against India. Would you like to try again?

How exactly is building damns and port and highways against India? Would you like to try again?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

China wont join indo-Pak war but it can certainly help with the logistic nd diplomstic support?

 

[justanobserver]

China will certainly intervene so that conflict doesn't escalate and its interest don't get compromised in Pakistan.

That is correct, China may intervene when say, Pakistan Administered Kashmir falls under Indian control, because it'll disconnect China from Gwadar

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So you are sure that China will commit itself to war with India in case of a conflict with Pakistan?

I believe we will join Pakistan if they are attacked by India. Our alliance was only young in the 1960's and 70's... however nowadays, Pakistan has become an indispensable ally.

If India attacks the Northern areas of Pakistan, they will also be attacking the Karakorum highway, and therefore trying to block our access to Gwadar. It would be an attack on China's interests too.

India will not try anything against Pakistan, for fear of a two-front war, especially since they weren't able to win a one-front war in 1962.

 

[Aslan]

That is correct, China may intervene when say, Pakistan Administered Kashmir falls under Indian control, because it'll disconnect China from Gwadar

And then u suddely

 

[justanobserver]

I believe so. Our alliance was only young in the 1960's and 70's... however nowadays, Pakistan has become an indispensable ally.

India will not try anything against Pakistan, for fear of a two-front war, especially since they weren't able to win a one-front war in 1962.

The Kargil war occurred in 1998

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

That is correct, China may intervene when say, Pakistan Administered Kashmir falls under Indian control, because it'll disconnect China from Gwadar

If India attacks Pakistan, that will put the KKH and Gwadar at risk, even if you don't attack the Northern areas.

That will be a direct attack against China's interests.