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But we are not in competition with Japan. In fact, japan and India are going to ally against China in coming years. So good that Japan has a powerful force.



We all know that Chinese are simply 5 ft conscripts with no fighting spirit. This is not 1962 that you can employ your usual technique of backstab. Try your tactics again and you will get more than a bloodied nose.

We showed our fighting spirit when we swiftly pulverised your rag tag military when you decided to do a sneak attack with your forward policy. We got 50 years of peace after we murdered and slaughtered your soldiers like dogs and humiliated your country by stripping it of its dignity :coffee:

You won't dare try your sneak attack tactics because we will wipe that brown off your skin if you ever have the guts to sneak attack again. The Indian military is just as rag tag and unprofessional as it was in 1962.
 
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We showed our fighting spirit when we swiftly pulverised your rag tag military when you decided to do a sneak attack with your forward policy. We got 50 years of peace after we murdered and slaughtered your soldiers like dogs and humiliated your country by stripping it of its dignity :coffee:

You won't dare try your sneak attack tactics because we will wipe that brown off your skin if you ever have the guts to sneak attack again. The Indian military is just as rag tag and unprofessional as it was in 1962.

OLO LO LO... supa-powwah boy.

700 chinese killed in 1962 .. and all the rest ran back.

Atleast you were slightly better off with the "tent" ... every body ran back; nil chinese killed.
 
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But we are not in competition with Japan. In fact, japan and India are going to ally against China in coming years. So good that Japan has a powerful force.



We all know that Chinese are simply 5 ft conscripts with no fighting spirit. This is not 1962 that you can employ your usual technique of backstab. Try your tactics again and you will get more than a bloodied nose.

Are you from tambaram
 
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OLO LO LO... supa-powwah boy.

700 chinese killed in 1962 .. and all the rest ran back.

Atleast you were slightly better off with the "tent" ... every body ran back; nil chinese killed.

Every Indian soldier that we killed in 1962 is rotting in hell as we speak :coffee:
Not a single Indian was allowed to run away because we either slaughtered them or took them as prisoners.

When it comes to India, we do what we please because we don't respect you nor do we think highly of your country or your people.
 
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Every Indian soldier that we killed in 1962 is rotting in hell as we speak :coffee:
Not a single Indian was allowed to run away because we either slaughtered them or took them as prisoners.

When it comes to India, we do what we please because we don't respect you nor do we think highly of your country or your people.

No dear, those 700 chinese killed preferred a life in hell, rather than life in PRC.

They thanked us for liberating them from Mao-Mao's atrocities.

:laugh:
 
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Atleast now you start thinking in the right way .. by trying to quantify what you get in return for all the "spending".



India is doing pretty well .. and isn't short of money either.

But we measure the outputs more carefully ... and the endeavour is to keep the defence spending low.

And sometimes cheaper effetive option is to buy .. than to re-invent the wheel. The usual practice here is to buy the design, but manufacture in India.

Most military equiments - and that includes fighters, ships, artillery, missiles, helicopters - are actually made in India.

The difference is that sometimes we buy design. (and that compares to china steals design, but it is questionable if it ends up cheaper to steal a half baked cake eventually, as the experience with "J-11" shows).

Off course, buying isn't always the cheapest option.. and what is increasingly being the trend -- that both design and manufacture happen in India. eg. Arihant class nuclear submarines, Advanced light helicopter, Arjun tank, HAL Tejas, an entire range of missiles from Akash to agni, varios ordnance factories. Many of such design-to-manufactures were not happening even 2 decades back. But now the trend is clear.

Then there is the stuff which reduces the cost of defence; design not offerered for sale; and we are quite far from realizing it domesitcally - the latest US transports.. they reduce the operational costs drastically for us. (and mind you, they are already counted out in the annual amount spent on defence imports which is still less than 10% of total spending of 40 bilion). They are cost reducers, and a wise decisions (note: china has no equivalents to these - it can't do it itself, like ourselves and embargo forces it to pursue alternate costlier options like building uneconomical roads).

Quite a decent bargain, compared to what china achieves, where corruption is one thing, but other thing is the embargo which makes any development in china costlier; some times prohibitively costlier. That is a big contributor to the outputs we see in comparison to the inputs in china.


It isn't a matter of money, even 100 Billion India can afford, but you need places to spend.

Scientists, Pilots, maintenance crews, oil, parts, setting up factories, training men to work, getting the right leaders, officers and etc.

It's not a matter of money, you can't just spent 100 billion if you got no where to spend. China spends 120 billion because we have use for them, what would India use it for? Buying a weapon is not the same as buying bread.


I think you have the wrong idea on what the accusation of China actually is. J-11 is a licensed fighter from Russia. The order was 200 to be built in China. However, by the time we finished 100, the fighter was considered useless and old.

The difference in opinion happens here. We made major modifications to the plane, to the point where the J-11B are more than 90% Chinese tech. The Russians are saying since it's based on the original J-11 and any modification doesn't use Russian tech doesn't generate money for Russians, and thus we should pay them.

J-11B is based on Su-27 which became J-11 UNDER LICENSE, however, all weapon systems are made 100% in China. The rest of the "copy" of Russian tech is this, we based the variants, J-15, J-16 on the original J-11 and J-11B, since they are variants of the J-11. The Russians are claiming ownership, though we had no help and all weapons systems installed are all new and NOT on the originals.

Checkout the dates those planes came out and just use common sense. Western military admits the power of our fighters. They won't go as far as to say it's better or equal, but they do say it's close. This isn't achievable if we simply copied.


Now to efficiency, the 100 Billion mark was only recently passed. At the turning point of 2000s, we were at less than 30 Billion. So our big spending days are only beginning. Look out for us in 2018-2020, when these spending truly takes effect.

I'm not sure what you mean about these US transport that reduce cost, but if railways, we got better ones than US, if transport planes, our Y-20 is going to number 200 in a decade, 20 per year.

Embargo is the thing that truly set in motion our military industrial complex. So while the embargo has hurt us, we are catching up fast. Truth be told, the US doesn't export the best tech to anyone that can't make it if they tried, IE Japan, UK, France, etc. India doesn't benefit from the US, not really.

Without an industry, a country also can't make adjustments on the fly and try out different models and systems to suit their goals. IE, Chinese built the largest active conventional sub not for combat just for testing of systems. Also the Type 52 DDGs, which went from A-D rather fast in terms of weapon systems, and without an industry, a country can't do this.
 
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It isn't a matter of money, even 100 Billion India can afford, but you need places to spend.

Scientists, Pilots, maintenance crews, oil, parts, setting up factories, training men to work, getting the right leaders, officers and etc.

It's not a matter of money, you can't just spent 100 billion if you got no where to spend. China spends 120 billion because we have use for them, what would India use it for? Buying a weapon is not the same as buying bread.


I think you have the wrong idea on what the accusation of China actually is. J-11 is a licensed fighter from Russia. The order was 200 to be built in China. However, by the time we finished 100, the fighter was considered useless and old.

The difference in opinion happens here. We made major modifications to the plane, to the point where the J-11B are more than 90% Chinese tech. The Russians are saying since it's based on the original J-11 and any modification doesn't use Russian tech doesn't generate money for Russians, and thus we should pay them.

J-11B is based on Su-27 which became J-11 UNDER LICENSE, however, all weapon systems are made 100% in China. The rest of the "copy" of Russian tech is this, we based the variants, J-15, J-16 on the original J-11 and J-11B, since they are variants of the J-11. The Russians are claiming ownership, though we had no help and all weapons systems installed are all new and NOT on the originals.

Checkout the dates those planes came out and just use common sense. Western military admits the power of our fighters. They won't go as far as to say it's better or equal, but they do say it's close. This isn't achievable if we simply copied.


Now to efficiency, the 100 Billion mark was only recently passed. At the turning point of 2000s, we were at less than 30 Billion. So our big spending days are only beginning. Look out for us in 2018-2020, when these spending truly takes effect.

I'm not sure what you mean about these US transport that reduce cost, but if railways, we got better ones than US, if transport planes, our Y-20 is going to number 200 in a decade, 20 per year.

Embargo is the thing that truly set in motion our military industrial complex. So while the embargo has hurt us, we are catching up fast. Truth be told, the US doesn't export the best tech to anyone that can't make it if they tried, IE Japan, UK, France, etc. India doesn't benefit from the US, not really.

Without an industry, a country also can't make adjustments on the fly and try out different models and systems to suit their goals. IE, Chinese built the largest active conventional sub not for combat just for testing of systems. Also the Type 52 DDGs, which went from A-D rather fast in terms of weapon systems, and without an industry, a country can't do this.

so, fine.. sleep well then. :shrug:

India is also doing fine .. and like everybody else, we can improve too.

But even if what we are now, PRC is simply in no postion to challenge us militarily . .and they know it well.

That should explain how they "react" when India launches Agni-V or aircraft carrier or nuclear submarines.

(and also read their reaction to e.g. japan's helicopter-carrier).

It's not that they feel more scared by Japan .. but that they still believe Japan can be threatened by statements.

And they have given up the hope that they will ever be in a position to threaten a country as big as themselves.
 
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so, fine.. sleep well then. :shrug:

India is also doing fine .. and like everybody else, we can improve too.

But even if what we are now, PRC is simply in no postion to challenge us militarily . .and they know it well.

That should explain how they "react" when India launches Agni-V or aircraft carrier or nuclear submarines.

(and also read their reaction to e.g. japan's helicopter-carrier).

It's not that they feel more scared by Japan .. but that they still believe Japan can be threatened by statements.

And they have given up the hope that they will ever be in a position to threaten a country as big as themselves.

The US made a big deal on our Liaoning carrier though it is decades behind the American super carriers. Doesn't mean they are afraid.

We had missiles better than Agni for about 2 decades now, doesn't mean we are scared. We also have missile defense systems.

The only reason we can't "challenge" india if you must is that we can't occupy India. But a quick offensive into India is still achievable, but the losses would be too great for such land, and without penetrating into the heart of India, I doubt India would surrender today.


The thing about India is to have a effective military industry it takes decades, we are on the verge of having it, India hasn't REALLY started. Making a few things under license here and there is not. Not unless you consider we had a industry in the 80s.

A lot of Indians think because our fighters are not that different NOW, we are the same, but in fact we have built up a huge industry base with experienced teams either on the assembly line or in the labs, while India is either getting the done deal or assembling them.

The difference will only be bigger. It's like learning the piano, in the beginning we have learned the basics while you guys just learned the keys for the song, but as time goes by, we have really learnt the piano and while you just press the keys. It's apparent who will be better later on.
 
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Not a single military equipment in the Indian military is 'Made in India' with Indian components.

And yes, India is definitely short of money which is exactly why the Rupee has collapsed.

Posting the same BS in every thread?
 
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it dosent even compare dude the amount you spend on your internal security is more than your defence budget and dont even compare what we spend it nothing compared to yours.

I'm from Taiwan and our internal security is minimal. I live in US and internal security is only in the form of border patrol. So I don't know what you are talking about. There are no rebellion here like India.
 
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I'm from Taiwan and our internal security is minimal. I live in US and internal security is only in the form of border patrol. So I don't know what you are talking about. There are no rebellion here like India.

Oh I thought you were are American.Arent you member of stormfront-you know that forum which promotes 'white supremacy' ?
 
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