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German Muslims want official Muslim holidays in Germany

It would be "an important political signal of integration" and would highlight the "tolerance of our society," said Mazyek

It would not.

An official recognition would not be practical, it would be symbolic and very cosmetic in relation to real problems with Muslim immigrants, and it would send the wrong signal by inverting the problems that many Muslims cause in Germany. It's not Germany's failure to integrate Muslims in society, it's the Muslim failure to integrate in German society...

The Islamic holidays are based on the lunar calender and the German one not. That would mean a bureaucratic headache, since the Muslim holidays each year will shift 10 or so days in relation to the German calender, assuming that all the German Muslims could agree upon a single day for their religious holidays, which is very doubtful.

It's symbolic, because German employers already willingly concede to special request of their employees, especially Muslims. It's also already common practice in many schools with high proportion of Muslim children. Students are free on those days, it works fine and there is no bureaucracy involved. The now proposed institutionalization of Islamic holidays is thus not even required.

It would be problematic to give into this demand, because it would be seen as reward for bad behavior. A great deal of the immigrants with a Muslim background are lazy enough to even learn German, let alone appreciate or endorse German values. Today's immigrants openly despise Germans for their exceptional tolerance - see the survey where almost half of German Turks wish to see the Christians replaced by Muslims -.
But it is unfair to say that German multicultural society has failed completely. It does not give credit to the people that are integrated, and participate in a 'normal' way in society. When the history of guest workers is reflected upon in Germany, the emphasis lies mostly on Turkish immigrants. All other immigrants groups are often ignored.
The hard working Chinese, the always cheerful Italian at the corner, the Vietnamese boat refugees, the Indonesians, the Spanish laborers. So many examples of other groups that have succeeded in German society more or less.
There is however one select group that structurally seeks to radically change the host country and if it must with violence. And those people are certainly not the Jewish Germans.
 
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Why only Muslims Demand , Make controversies , blow Bombs in European countries but not Buddhist , Hindus , Sikh , Jews , Jain ??? ...
 
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Its not just "racist Jews". Even supertolerant Scandinavians think so. For example there are less than 0.1% of Sami speakers in Sweden, yet its official language. On the other hand there are tens time more Arabic, Russian, Turkish speakers in Sweden, but its never be official.

Same goes to Germany. There are less than 0.01% of Frisian speakers, yet its official. There are nearly 5% of Turkish speakers ( 500 times more), yet its not official.
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What it has anything to do with my post :unsure:

I was saying that most countries give you equal rights based on same citizenship/nationality not on same race/color/ethnicity. I will not get the same rights in UK as those of British born Pakistani. If you are British/candian/american/french national then you have full right to criticize your government policies or to demand certain things or even to protest against something then its all become irrelevant where your ancestor came from or how you or your parent got the citizenship of the country
 
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What it has anything to do with my post :unsure:

I was saying that most countries give you equal rights based on same citizenship/nationality not on same race/color/ethnicity. I will not get the same rights in UK as those of British born Pakistani. If you are British/candian/american/french national then you have full right to criticize your government policies or to demand certain things or even to protest against something then its all become irrelevant where your ancestor came from or how you or your parent got the citizenship of the country

u are free to critisize whatever u want, but u are not equal in everything. As u can see 0.01% of Frisians got their language as official, while 5% of Turks do not.
 
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I like the British way of dealing with religious holidays the best!

Only Christman/Easter is official religious holidays. Every other minority has a holiday on their respective festival, rather than closing down the whole country just give these fractions their holidays. For example, your attendance in school/work won't be an issue in school on Eid day if you're Muslim or on Diwali if you're a Hindu.

Some people also abuse the system (like me) though. Every other day is a festival for Hindus! :D

u are free to critisize whatever u want, but u are not equal in everything. As u can see 0.01% of Frisians got their language as official, while 5% of Turks do not.

Very blunt mate :/
 
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Will they want that stupid sharia later???


German Muslims want official Muslim holidays in Germany

The Central Council of Muslims in Germany proposed that federal authorities formalize two Islamic holidays as official holidays. This is not shocking news, as in some areas Muslims already have that right. Recent polls suggest that in the future the Turks want to see Germany as the country with a predominantly Muslim population. So far they have minimal representation in the legislature.

Germany is Europe's second largest after France in terms of number of residents who practice Islam. The country does not have statistics with regard to the citizen's religion. But, according to the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees, the number of Muslims ranges from 4 to 4.5 million. The largest group is the Turks, with approximately 2.5 million people. They are followed by people from Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, and Albania, and in the fifth place are immigrants from the Middle East.

Sixty-two percent of German Turks would prefer to live in a compact community. Nearly half (46 percent) would like to see Germany as a country where Muslims are more numerous than Christians. These are the results of a telephone survey of 1,011 migrants from Turkey conducted in August of last year by the Institute Info GmbH. The Institute's Director Holger Liljeberg told Die Welt that among the respondents, 37 percent identified themselves as very religious, and only nine percent - secular, which is more than in 2010. Forty-four percent pray at least once a day, 34 percent make it mandatory to have five prayers a day. The greatest religiousness is observed in the younger age group. This was also indicated by the Interior Ministry of Germany that claimed that 24 percent of German Muslims without citizenship at the age of 14 to 32 years are extremely religious, and have a negative attitude towards Western values. All these data suggest that the integration of Muslims in Germany is not as an optimistic of a phenomenon as it appears in the German press.

Chairman of the Central Council of Muslims Aiman ​​Mazyek proposed to introduce two new holidays. One is Eid al-Fitr and another one is the fast-breaking day of Eid. It would be "an important political signal of integration" and would highlight the "tolerance of our society," said Mazyek to newspaper Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung (WAZ). He stressed that it certainly was not a matter of red days on the calendar, but the official right to free Muslims from work on these days.

The position of Muslims in Germany is quite strong. The former Federal President Christian Wulff generally believed that "Islam was part of Germany." Some lands and cities with federal status (Hamburg, Bremen, Hesse, Baden-Württemberg) have approved the Muslim holidays as official. The mayor of the city of Hamburg (SPD), signing an agreement with the Muslim community, said that it would certainly be a revolutionary milestone in the history of the city. Despite religious and ethnic background, we are all citizens of Hamburg, he added. Indeed, the document provides not only the right not to work on Muslim holidays, but also free access of Muslim organizations to prisons, hospitals and schools, the ability to create theological universities and theological schools whose diplomas will be recognized on a legal level, teach the Koran courses in the public schools, and foundations of Islam on an optional basis.

These are undoubtedly great achievements, but not a single land was able to legally allow a Muslim headscarf. Not only that, a conflict in one of the schools in 2003 ended with the ban on wearing it in eight of the 16 subjects of the German federation. However, Muslims in Germany periodically come up with new initiatives. Head of the Turkish Community in Germany Kenan Kolat said the Eid al-Fitr (Eid al Adha) should be a day off for all German students, not just for Muslims.

The latest initiative of the celebrations at the federal level, however, is unlikely to be supported in the Bundestag, since, like wearing a headscarf, it is demonstrative. Interviewed by WAZ newspaper, the CDU politician Wolfgang Bosbach said that in Germany there was no need to introduce official Muslim holidays, as Germany did not follow the Islamic tradition. Volker Kauder said that Muslims, of course, were part of Germany, but not Islam, that is not a part of the tradition and identity in Germany.

In addition, it must be admitted that the attitude of the community towards Muslims can be viewed as latent Islamophobia. It is heated by the statements of Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich that Germany is under the gun of terrorists preaching militant Islamism. The number of radical Islamists has increased two-fold over the year, from 400 to a thousand people, the Interior Minister said on the eve of the tenth anniversary of the terrorist attacks in the United States.

It is particularly disturbing that the idea of "al-Qaeda" and similar extremist groups is picked up by residents of Germany originating from Muslim countries of a second or even third generation.

However, in May of last year the Ministry virtually condoned the organization of a far-right Pro-NRW competition of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in the cities of North Rhine-Westphalia. It quietly watched as nationalists held a demonstration displaying cartoons outside of a mosque and intervened only when there was a clash between them and the Muslims. Minister of the Interior of North Rhine-Westphalia Ralf Jäger said that the riots were not spontaneous. "The Salafis mobilized their supporters across the country," he said. Maybe they had to intervene at the stage of another promotional campaign, a conspicuous distribution of the Koran among Christians? Then the media would not write that "the Germans declared a war on Islam."

The Initiative did not receive approval for another reason - Muslims in German politics is a very rare case. Of the two and a half thousand German MPs of different levels, from the land Landtags to the European Parliament, only about a hundred people have foreign roots, the newspaper Russians in Germany reported. Experts say that this number does not reflect the real national composition of Germany, where one in five is an immigrant or a descendant of immigrants. One of them is Lale Akgn, member of the SPD, who believes that in Germany it is often difficult to call Germans citizens with immigrants' background.

This is true, but we must not forget that Germany, unlike the U.S., Canada or Australia, was not created by immigrants and has a Christian and not Muslim cultural and religious traditions.

German Muslims want official Muslim holidays in Germany - English pravda.ru
 
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No they are citizens of germany and have german nationality... not migrants....
No they dont,most of them still are migrants(only about a milion of the muslims have the german nationality).
If you are bourne in germany you can choose at a certain age if you want the german passport or not,many dont use the option.
And you have to have a clean sheet to become a german,so its not that easy.
 
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Not a single Jewish holiday is celebrated in Germany but do you see the Jews of Germany complaining? No.
Germany is a Christian country, not a Jewish one or a Muslim one.

They should respect their laws and traditions and not force their own on the majority.
 
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Not a single Jewish holiday is celebrated in Germany but do you see the Jews of Germany complaining? No.
Germany is a Christian country, not a Jewish one or a Muslim one.

They should respect their laws and traditions and not force their own on the majority.

Well Germany has only ~119,000 Jews while having ~4,300,000 Muslim
 
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Well Germany has only ~119,000 Jews while having ~4,300,000 Muslim
German is very serious on Muslim issues, its hard now for a muslim to get a German visa. How is it for Israel nationals to get a German visa? BTW, do you need a visa to German ?
 
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German is very serious on Muslim issues, its hard now for a muslim to get a German visa. How is it for Israel nationals to get a German visa? BTW, do you need a visa to German ?

Blue is visa free for Israeli national
turquoise is visa on arrival
gray is visa required in advance, meaning that your plea examined in scrutiny case by case by the authorities of country of destination
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Blue is visa free for Israeli national
turquoise is visa on arrival
gray is visa required in advance, meaning that your plea examined in scrutiny case by case by the authorities of country of destination
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It shows that Israel Visa is good in terms of travelling and well recognised in the world. Just a bit surprised that US requires a visa for Israel citizen.
 
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