Gen.Raheel's Visit & Staged U S Reception---Pres. Obama's Threat To Strike Pakistan

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

It right after he states that there are some nations who have issues / unstable something to that effect---one of them is pakistan---and then the comments after that

Sir,
I will try to see it again and then comment.

 

[Tiger Genie]

During Nawas Sherief's visit to the US he was given certain strong messages and a couple NO's. When he went back, the establishment did not want to leave matters at that and chalked the failure to Nawas's incompetence, and decided to send in their a-player, namely Gen.Sherief. He came, had a few meetings but did not fare any differently.

And to make things perfectly clear, Americans followed up with the classic 'Pakistan should do more'.

 

[MastanKhan]

Mastan i think you are over thinking about stuff man ...
yeah US is super power but Attacking Pakistan will be their doom , specially for their forces in region along with entire region ...
I dont think US think tanks are that Stupid as we have on PDF to attack a Nuclear Armed state with Active BM and CM ?

what can US do ? Attack Pakistan , send in Special forces to take down Nuke Sites ? that will be the Joke .. after putting Billion of Dollars in spying they still yet to locate our nukes , forget about attacking them ...
than what next ? get Air superiority ? ok they can get it ...
but than ? destroying Army , Air force and Naval Infrastructure ? leaving 0.6 Million army ?

becoming armed rebels ? LOL that will be nightmare for Americans as they will never try anything like Iraq ..
Pakistan Army its officers are far more trained than Iraqi Army and imagine if they choose to start a Armed struggle against the occupied forces combined in Afghanistan and Pakistan ?

that will be slaughter of US forces ... they should get the coffins in thousands first ...
War is not just about Attacking and Destroying , its about sustaining .. and no matter how much US military is mightier than us , they can't sustain a month in Pakistan , with armed men roaming on streets , IED attacks, ambushes ..
not to forget the 2.0 Million Armed Tribal along with Baluch and Sindh tribes all are armed to teeth ..
they will rape American in a worse way possible ..

indiscriminate bombing will attract Russian and China into equation , the world will see any move against Pakistan as act of aggression , and than we will have all Option including using nuclear Attack on US bases in the region ...

no matter what will happen to Pakistan but US will be stripped down from its Super power title along with doomed Economy ..

so in short Attacking Pakistan will be end of US as Super Power .. dont believe me ask your leader to give it a try
Pakistani's are fcuking crazy people , if the State Declare a Jihad against the Oppressors there will be around 10 Million Armed people attacking any Forces in the streets of Pakistan .. no to mentioned a Topple like Iran can devastate the entire region with 120 Nukes .. even 20 nukes survive it will be a destruction for not just Region but the entire world ..

dont forget ISIS is looking for Nukes from Black market .. and they are constantly working on finding scientist and Engineers .. and if they get the tech from black market giving some million of Dollars which they have .. the world will be doomed and US will be responsible for it

Hi,

My goodman---your nucs---that you guys have been bragging about---all of them have been neutered---.

I just don't want to go into the details and the procedure---but rest assured---Pakistan's military strength against the U S is that of a Eunuch fighting someone with massive cojones---.

Your comments about 10 million people are like pi-ss and vinegar---. I understand that you are a loyal Pakistani and it is difficult to see your dream image smashed to pieces----on what you have placed on high pedastals---I empathise with you.

You don't understand the order of the battle and I am not going to get into it---and even india is well prepared to face the action---.

It is only the blind conviction of you Pakistani kids and adults that you are in this mess---.

And you guys have no clue what 'bad' situation means---.

US invading Pakistan is your wet dream, nothing more. No one in the Pentagon is thinking of invading Pakistan because it's impossible. No military in the world exists that can do it. There are other ways to subdue a nation besides direct military actions.

Hi,

Your's is an ignorant post---. Off course pentagon has plans for invading Pakistan---its main strike force will be in action within 24 hours-----.

Now how it would proceed----that is debatable by everyone----but the actions will be in a certain sphere of control.

 

[cloud4000]

Hi,

My goodman---your nucs---that you guys have been bragging about---all of them have been neutered---.

I just don't want to go into the details and the procedure---but rest assured---Pakistan's military strength against the U S is that of a Eunuch fighting someone with massive cojones---.

Your comments about 10 million people are like pi-ss and vinegar---. I understand that you are a loyal Pakistani and it is difficult to see your dream image smashed to pieces----on what you have placed on high pedastals---I empathise with you.

You don't understand the order of the battle and I am not going to get into it---and even india is well prepared to face the action---.

It is only the blind conviction of you Pakistani kids and adults that you are in this mess---.

And you guys have no clue what 'bad' situation means---.




Hi,

Your's is an ignorant post---. Off course pentagon has plans for invading Pakistan---its main strike force will be in action within 24 hours-----.

Now how it would proceed----that is debatable by everyone----but the actions will be in a certain sphere of control.

If I'm ignorant, you are delusional.

 

[dadeechi]

Hi,

Your's is an ignorant post---. Off course pentagon has plans for invading Pakistan---its main strike force will be in action within 24 hours-----.

Now how it would proceed----that is debatable by everyone----but the actions will be in a certain sphere of control.

US and China would not fight directly. The issue is Pakistan is dumping US in favor of China.

US & China now have India and Pakistan respectively as their proxies. I foresee a huge Indo-Pak war in the next 3 years.

 

[Indika]

Hi,
Hi,

Your's is an ignorant post---. Off course pentagon has plans for invading Pakistan---its main strike force will be in action within 24 hours-----.

Now how it would proceed----that is debatable by everyone----but the actions will be in a certain sphere of control.

Are you thinking straight? US could do nothing in afghanistan to say that they will invade pakistan is like a big joke.
24 hours? Which planet do you live in ? Even India cannot mobilize troops in 24 hrs, If US tries to do it then they need thousands of planes which would alert every one and where would they land ?
Neither Iran / India would allow that to happen no body wants a conflict in the region. US might consider covert action but invasion is totally out of question.

 

[PakSword]

Mastan i think you are over thinking about stuff man ...
yeah US is super power but Attacking Pakistan will be their doom , specially for their forces in region along with entire region ...
I dont think US think tanks are that Stupid as we have on PDF to attack a Nuclear Armed state with Active BM and CM ?

what can US do ? Attack Pakistan , send in Special forces to take down Nuke Sites ? that will be the Joke .. after putting Billion of Dollars in spying they still yet to locate our nukes , forget about attacking them ...
than what next ? get Air superiority ? ok they can get it ...
but than ? destroying Army , Air force and Naval Infrastructure ? leaving 0.6 Million army ?

becoming armed rebels ? LOL that will be nightmare for Americans as they will never try anything like Iraq ..
Pakistan Army its officers are far more trained than Iraqi Army and imagine if they choose to start a Armed struggle against the occupied forces combined in Afghanistan and Pakistan ?

that will be slaughter of US forces ... they should get the coffins in thousands first ...
War is not just about Attacking and Destroying , its about sustaining .. and no matter how much US military is mightier than us , they can't sustain a month in Pakistan , with armed men roaming on streets , IED attacks, ambushes ..
not to forget the 2.0 Million Armed Tribal along with Baluch and Sindh tribes all are armed to teeth ..
they will rape American in a worse way possible ..

indiscriminate bombing will attract Russian and China into equation , the world will see any move against Pakistan as act of aggression , and than we will have all Option including using nuclear Attack on US bases in the region ...

no matter what will happen to Pakistan but US will be stripped down from its Super power title along with doomed Economy ..

so in short Attacking Pakistan will be end of US as Super Power .. dont believe me ask your leader to give it a try
Pakistani's are fcuking crazy people , if the State Declare a Jihad against the Oppressors there will be around 10 Million Armed people attacking any Forces in the streets of Pakistan .. no to mentioned a Topple like Iran can devastate the entire region with 120 Nukes .. even 20 nukes survive it will be a destruction for not just Region but the entire world ..

dont forget ISIS is looking for Nukes from Black market .. and they are constantly working on finding scientist and Engineers .. and if they get the tech from black market giving some million of Dollars which they have .. the world will be doomed and US will be responsible for it

You have missed one point. Pakistanis living in US can't see their relatives being murdered indiscriminately. They will have to brace themselves up for attacks in the US.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

It right after he states that there are some nations who have issues / unstable something to that effect---one of them is pakistan---and then the comments after that

He actually says the opposite of attacking Sir listen to his speech minutes 34-40.

 

[Hulk]

During Nawas Sherief's visit to the US he was given certain strong messages and a couple NO's. When he went back, the establishment did not want to leave matters at that and chalked the failure to Nawas's incompetence, and decided to send in their a-player, namely Gen.Sherief. He came, had a few meetings but did not fare any differently.

And to make things perfectly clear, Americans followed up with the classic 'Pakistan should do more'.

As an outsider I see Pakistan Military always feel that Politicians are incompetent and they can handle better. If this is how they feel they should simply take over. Pakistan is not the only country where people feel like that but it is probably only country where Army Chief is practically above PM. Very insulting for Army chief to feel that way about PM. Please note work is done by bureaucrats not politicians and they are not dumb.

 

[tarrar]

Obama's final speech proves that US can never be trusted & it is a lesson for Pakistan to learn, of course nothing good can be expected from gutless ganja in these crucial times & this is the reason why our Army & COAS have taken the matters in their hand to make sure Pakistan is not harmed, but unfortunately we are continuously getting harmed by corrupt politicians & they are breaking Pakistan's back by targeting Pakistan's economy. This is what PA needs to understand & should take certain steps to kill corrupt politicians evil agenda.

Pakistan wants to act freely but it cannot be done in the presence of corrupt politicians & their thugs.

In the end, Obama's speech was only to make India & its lobby happy who are acting against Pakistan & in future when new President of US steps in, pressure on Pakistan will mount even more & we will see even more tough times, this is where Pakistan needs to be strong & act wisely but I will say this again, nothing good can be expected from corrupt politicians.

 

[MastanKhan]

If I'm ignorant, you are delusional.

Hi,

Oh--jee thank you for the compliment---. At least I don't have my eyes and ear shut.

Are you thinking straight? US could do nothing in afghanistan to say that they will invade pakistan is like a big joke.
24 hours? Which planet do you live in ? Even India cannot mobilize troops in 24 hrs, If US tries to do it then they need thousands of planes which would alert every one and where would they land ?
Neither Iran / India would allow that to happen no body wants a conflict in the region. US might consider covert action but invasion is totally out of question.

Hi,

Who said anything about an invasion----. There is a big difference between a strike and invasion---.

 

[Tiger Genie]

As an outsider I see Pakistan Military always feel that Politicians are incompetent and they can handle better. If this is how they feel they should simply take over. Pakistan is not the only country where people feel like that but it is probably only country where Army Chief is practically above PM. Very insulting for Army chief to feel that way about PM. Please note work is done by bureaucrats not politicians and they are not dumb.

that is easy to say and difficult not to do! Work and bureaucrats are irrelevant. Power resides with the so called establishment which is not 100% military but almost 100% military.

 

[SrNair]

I still stand by my 2nd and 3rd point. This a paragraph from Iraq inquiry

'On paper, too, the Iraqi army appeared to be a major military force. However, the conscript popular army, a million strong, was in reality poorly equipped with obsolescent weaponry and profoundly demoralised. Real power lay with the Special Republican Guard divisions, recruited from the Sunni heartlands of Northern and Western Iraq. Yet their real purpose was to guarantee the regime as much as to defend the state and, despite their superior armament, they represented much less of a threat to surrounding states. Beyond that, Iraq’s air-force was no longer a credible threat; its advanced fighter and bombers were interned in Iran, held against payment of war reparations, and the sanctions regime forbade it to fly any aircraft except helicopters'
Iraq and its environment before March 2003

Anyhow what I meant was if any country had all of these factors, it will make it highly unlikely for US to intervene.

Even though with the support of West ,Saddam made an impression with those 8 year war with Iran.
Their boots one the ground was best .
Suppose if they had all those high tech weapons what would be their chance against mighty US ?Next to zero .
There is no doubt about that .They will mobilise B2 from Diego Garcia and one round would be enough for Iraq .
In fact most of the nation except some large countries with advanced Air defense .
Most advanced fighter in the world is F 22 Raptor and still there is no rival against them .
Chinese is nothing in front of it .Perhaps Russia can do something about it.

Of Course US wont directly attack China ,Russia or even India or Brazil .Because all these nations are big .
But none of them can counter US influence that happens in different parts of world .
You dont need to go anywhere .Americans regularly send ships and bombers in SCS which openly challenges China .But Can they do that against US in their shores ?They can even think about it after 2 decades.

 

[sady]

Even though with the support of West ,Saddam made an impression with those 8 year war with Iran.
Their boots one the ground was best .
Suppose if they had all those high tech weapons what would be their chance against mighty US ?Next to zero .
There is no doubt about that .They will mobilise B2 from Diego Garcia and one round would be enough for Iraq .
In fact most of the nation except some large countries with advanced Air defense .
Most advanced fighter in the world is F 22 Raptor and still there is no rival against them .
Chinese is nothing in front of it .Perhaps Russia can do something about it.

Of Course US wont directly attack China ,Russia or even India or Brazil .Because all these nations are big .
But none of them can counter US influence that happens in different parts of world .
You dont need to go anywhere .Americans regularly send ships and bombers in SCS which openly challenges China .But Can they do that against US in their shores ?They can even think about it after 2 decades.

What my point was US cannot chose any nation(minus allies and two bigs) and bomb it to oblivion as it pleases and good military is one these factors if not the only one. F22 is good but you do realise, you cannot be safe from the consequences of initiating such a war. Good professional armies are not only those with good weapons and training but also the will to fight till the very last bullet and last man. There is no use of years of training and toys when at first sound of bullet all you will want is to go deep into the ground. China knows this and is aware that its army though very strong has been untested in recent times with any conflict. The will to come into line of fire is the only difference between success and defeat. The rag tag Taliban and their conflict has again highlighted this fact in addition to home terrain and local support.

 

[SrNair]

What my point was US cannot chose any nation(minus allies and two bigs) and bomb it to oblivion as it pleases and good military is one these factors if not the only one. F22 is good but you do realise, you cannot be safe from the consequences of initiating such a war. Good professional armies are not only those with good weapons and training but also the will to fight till the very last bullet and last man. There is no use of years of training and toys when at first sound of bullet all you will want is to go deep into the ground. China knows this and is aware that its army though very strong has been untested in recent times with any conflict. The will to come into line of fire is the only difference between success and defeat. The rag tag Taliban and their conflict has again highlighted this fact in addition to home terrain and local support.

Agreed .That is a good point .
US failed to create a successful conclusion of war in Iraq ,Afghanistan or Vietnam .
But US destroyed all those nations and nations like Iraq cant even show its real borders .
But no one can touch US in their own land .
They created a hell in Russia's neighbourhood (Ukraine) with mere diplomatic movements.