Gen.Raheel's Visit & Staged U S Reception---Pres. Obama's Threat To Strike Pakistan

[I.R.A]

Hi,

what I am saying is that the pashtun afghans must split from afghanistan and join pakistan-----they need to seperate themsleves from the northern alliance---.

That way there are two seperate countries----the N A can have a country of their own---the afghan pashtuns can have a better life with pakistan---and a major part of the problem is resolved----and then we can start with new problems.

Sir you are making it sound too simple, Northern alliance in Taliban good old days were restricted to 10% of the territory only .................. AT's cover face boys may listen to Pakistan but their commanders in field I don't think so they would listen or care about what Pakistan says when they know it is only matter of time when they can again rule it.

There is a reason the thrash pakistan good----. Pakistan is the supposed poster child of bad boyz---it is the number one bad boy---and the U S would really like smash its fist into pakistan's face real hard and with a christian vengeance.

Sir to me Pakistan is good ally when it comes to buying ownership for AQ, Taliban, Haqqani etc now this time it is ISIS and may be in future who knows Seals would raid someplace near Risalpur and Baghdadi would be found there hiding. Mango Pakistanis don't ask much questions and ones few out of hundred thousands who ask they disappear.

 

[Pomegranate]

This is a meaningless thread on self made arguments to defame Raheel sharif you have limited information . ............. m not interested .

 

[MastanKhan]

for the sake of winning the argument you would use abusive language that is enough for me to accept your defeat any way good bye and enjoy your useless thread ...

Hi,

If you want to call someone a ' boy '---before doing that---click on their name---in their intro---you might see their age--and then you can decide---if you want to call grandpa or dad or uncle or sir or whatever other than your ' boy' that is upto you.

Now don't get upset---you just been skunked a little bit---.

 

[I.R.A]

Hi,

If you want to call someone a ' boy '---before doing that---click on their name---in their intro---you might see their age--and then you can decide---if you want to call grandpa or dad or uncle or sir or whatever other than your ' boy' that is upto you.

Now don't get upset---you just been skunked a little bit---.

58............................................... I thought you were 65, what Mastan sb you are getting younger?

 

[xyxmt]

HI,

Gen Raheel's visit to the U S started with so much pomp and vigor and ended in much fanfare---but in its true self----it was just all for show and drama.

All the receptions and get together's and the time given by the senators and congressmen---the briefings by the general to the pentagon did not seem to have any substance to it at all---. The americans were attentive listeners---they were extremely cordial throughout all the time that the general was here in washington---but in truth---this welcome was basically a disguised goodbye to someone they had known over the years---it was basically all fluff.

It was done in a very polite and courteous manner---because the americans are not rude people---they are a wonderful people and will shove it up your's with a smile on their faces while holding your hand in a firm grip so that you do not have the time and the chance to run away.

The general's visit was as meaningless for the U S as it could be and of not much help for pakistan---because the U S has already walked out on afghanistan----it is not interested in pakistan's efforts if it does not include killing the afghan taliban and forcing them into submission to the northern alliance afghans.

The americans did not need any briefings from the generals at what good deeds the pakistani military is doing in Fata---they simply care less.

It is simply like this----you get to a stage when just one day you do not have any feelings for someone---because you simply have walked away in a different direction---or if there is someone else in your life that has entered that has shown more promise.

I feel terrible for Gen. Raheel---for he is a wonderful soldier---an extremely simple man with no fanfare---.

says who Abdullah Abdullah?
I am sure all this information was provided to Abdullah Abdullah none other than his best chaddi friend Obama

 

[Rank]

America support DemoCrazy is the best ever shitty joke anyone listen .....

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think General Sharif , made the case very clear about contribution of Pakistani forces to fight international Terrorism and US foreign affairs also acknowledged that clearly

Mission was acomplished

COAS Gen Raheel Sharif reaches Washington on 5-day visit - Pakistan - Dunya News

"WASHINGTON (Dunya News) - Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Raheel Sharif reached Washington for an official 5-day visit of the United States on early Monday morning.

The commentators are terming the visit very important in light of regional security and ongoing situation. During his five days stay in the US, he will meet top US leadership and discuss key issues including Afghan government’s negotiations with Taliban and RAW’s involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan. Army Chief will inform American leadership of successes and achievements in the ongoing Operation Zarb-e-Azb."

Army chief in US, to visit CENTCOM today - The Express Tribune


General Raheel, who is scheduled to meet representatives from the Department of Defense, US Administration and Congress, will visit the US Central Command (CENTCOM) Headquarters in Tampa, Florida, today.

According to an official source, the army chief will hold a meeting with CENTCOM Chief General Lloyd Austin.

Officials said the army chief’as meetings with his american counterparts will provide an opportunity to enhance bilateral military-to-military cooperation.

General wanted to show , Pakistani forces and their efforts in fight against global terrorism

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Pakistan has moved on from depending on American aid, Musharraf and Zaradi made a habit of going to the US with a beggars bowl and then giving an opinion to the public that Pakistan is depended on USA and would be destroyed without it.
Nawaz Sharif has changed this opinion within months of taking office, Pakistan is now an emerging economy with countless business opportunities

Really......?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I think the issue is really

Pakistan and USA want to promote trade an mutual trust and we have agenda against Terrorism as peaceful nations, that is what General Sharif's visit to USA was all about.

I think he did admirably well to convey the loss of Pakistani soldier's lives in fighting International Terrorism emerging from Afghanistan, and some thru the covert channels via RAW.

The thread opening statement is more towards speculative vs what is ground reality and the closes functional ties between Pakisatn - US forces and cooperation between US civilians and Pakistanis

The tour was meant to open a dialog channel between Military head of Pakistan , and certain elements in congress and US forces so that it can be heard loud and clear the sacrifices
Pakistani forces have been making to combat all forms of international Terrorism


And as a Pakistani I think it was wonderful to see our leadership engaging in dialog with US counter parts to establish a communicative trust , rather on speculations as the first post in the thread is all about , alot of speculation and personal narrative

General Sharif did exceptionally well , and presented a clear statement
I thought General Sharif's visit was bold , he was not afraid to face congress rather engage them in direct communication so there is no shadow of doubt how much effort our forces have put to curb International Terrorism

USA acknowledges the loss of Pakistani Soldiers in combat to fight terrorism and that is where things are that in order to combat dangerous forces like ISIS , cooperation is needed

Helicopters
Fighter Jets
More training and joint missions
Collaboration between forces


It is really about building trust between two colleague forces on International agenda

Pakistan do not have a lobby , we do not have 40-50 million dollar advertisement or talk shows in USA lobbying opinion in USA. All we have documented evidence on the loss of life Pakistan has suffered to combat International Terrorism emerging from Afghanistan or India , etc and other entities

 

[The Eagle]

Hi to all.


Referring the topic here in above and after viewing the posts which shared the views and opinions of members, few things that I thought should be shared with only sole purpose to be productive and may helping to loose some stress for all if any.


Indeed our love for our Armed Forces cannot be doubted and we all have an attachment like soul connection. The Armed Forces of Pakistan are our pride and honour and vote of confidence to ensure security of our beloved country.


Being Muslim, faith of us believing in ALLAH is indeed above all of these dependencies but armed forces, people and stuffs and things are necessities of worldly life to survive and strive for fate being a test so I will not go in those arguments but would stick with ground realities and our efforts towards better future. It is clearly promised by ALLAH that whatever we will struggle for, the same we will get either the good or bad that depends upon us as what exactly we seek through actions. So sitting duck and saying it is the will, is not promised at all and we Muslim knew it though some are mistaken a little but aren’t stupid so soon will learn or come to know as well. As a Muslim, I would like to never miss an opportunity for betterment of people and Pakistan and to make it up with world by the way ALLAH said and then the promise by ALLAH will be fulfilled indeed without any doubt but the must is what and how I do. The rest is, the man has is plans but ALLAH has own planes.


I felt myself to share few of my observations and opinions as follows.


1. The visit of Stars.
2. The necessity of COAS visit and our Civilian diplomacy.

As follows:-
1. We all know that COAS visited US without any invitation but the gravity of circumstances made it a need and must for interests of Pakistan. During the same visit, there were many things in respect of our Army’s role in fight against terrorism and the situation in Afghanistan as well as security concerns of Pakistan and region. It is also worth mentioning that the love of people for our COAS and believing in him is due to his actions towards security of our people and Pakistan. Indeed the name of COAS has become a symbol of pride for us. So with all these beliefs and concerns, COAS visited the US. While looking at the lack of competency in our political leadership, it was rightly decided to present all defence and security concerns of Pakistan by COAS/Armed Forces yet.

2. Though it was the duty of our diplomatic personnel to present Pakistan in every manner whether it is political, economical, defence or security of country along with the circumstances around. To present this whole picture, it is necessary to understand the values of subjects while presenting. Unfortunately our democratic leadership lacks the importance of things subjected to the defence/armed forces and security. Our leadership is always good while dealing the business indeed and so far we have witnessed the achievements but only in business sector to the some extent. Furthermore, it wouldn’t be wrong to say that our political leadership is plagued with the influence of Int’l community and lack of guts to face the pressure. Therefore, to present the almost perfect situation in respect of defence needs and security issues, the visit of concern person was required and was want of the moment.


a. The lack and duty of political leadership to present defence concerns.
b. The role of COAS and Armed Forces for negotiation.

As follows:-
a. As it has been discussed many times on different forums that our political leadership lacks a lot in the subject of presentation for defence related issues. It can’t be ignored that our most of the political personnel are influenced by int’l community in the sense where they can’t live without the luxuries of west and the greed of dollars. Unfortunately, the problem we had that till today and especially since past decade, we never had an office bearer of elected government to deal and build bridge with int’l community regarding our defence and armed forces concerns as well. Though it will invite a whole new debate that what are the ifs and there are Nos about this issue but I wouldn’t drag it to long so would remain in short that the purpose could be served. Our leadership needs to get out of their self wants and non-consistent behavior and acting upon own needs to get credit of political gain against the rivals in elections which is after all could be said a greed of luxuries. Our current political system and institution are practiced for only personal and so far family benefits. No one in arena of Pakistan politics strives for wider aspects and brighter future yet ever thought out of the family politics. If the burden of defence related issued all in one be relied upon these politically illiterate leaders, I am off the opinion that the situation would be worsen ever than present or to the level that might some can imagine. The fame of our present leadership for the subject of corruption less administration and bringing the people what exactly they needed alone, is well witnessed and enough to not to trust. There are so many issues and concerns that the leadership became suspicious in eyes of the people and int’l community throughout the past till today. Though saying it a conspiracy against the government is another story. Almost whatever stated above about the performance of political leadership has been happening in Pakistan during last decade though somewhere the graph was higher than expected but always existed and become a disease uncured. Shortsighted people merely loving to gain personal benefits are more damaging with the power and the same become our fate but in last I would say, we chosen.

b. It is pertinent to mention that our armed forces and specially COAS have to build a ground for political leadership as defence business strategy to take things in front of foreign contacts so the needful could be done but while looking at such performance of our leadership it would be more disastrous. Indeed the men in uniforms are trained to maintain peace in the fashion of strict decisions and cold heart voice but are never hired for negotiations and diplomacy. So keeping in view the performance of our political government in particular subject which lacks a lot, the COAS/Armed Forces themselves come forth to do the needful. Thus the desired goals couldn’t be achieved but attained as much as can. It could have been done better, could have achieved more and fruitful but pity that we currently do not have the exact or so far breed of these politicians. Our current political government is not much promised in the sense where people trusted the most upon COAS. The story about Shuja Pasha and Kiyani sahiban is a whole lot of subject to discuss but as far as the developments are concerns in their time, I would say it couldn’t be due to unavoidable circumstances though circumstances could be their stance, eligibility or not diplomatic as needed.


In the last “The good bye”:-
In visit of COAS to the US, could have been discussed many issues and the concerns would have been showed as well however, talks behind closed doors are kept secret. Being a Pakistani and patriots, we always seek for replies and descriptions of such hidden talks just because of our love and passions for our country and dignity indeed. But it wouldn’t be wrong to say that sometimes things are better kept secret until the right time. On one hand if we have the trust and belief that our actions and strive for better Pakistan are right and enough so then question to doubt the such talks especially done by plain, simple, straight forward and honoured person on our behalf is not feasible at all. I must say never to doubt the one we trust most among us. It is to remember that the same was the reason to trust when the Pakistan's fight against terrorism is appreciated and praised by the world including US so also the statement by US for investigation in Pathahankot incident by Pakistan, could be seen and understood clearly otherwise the tone would have been almost presenting the bossy and threatening attitude this time. As per me, yet the time has not come to say a good bye to US or vise versa but meeting could have been adjourned to some other day yet too earlier to conclude. There are lots of journeys yet the both countries have to walk together. As far as I can see, there are so many games begun needed to come to an end and the same is not possible until & unless both the teams play through designated time. Rest about who won or loss, the time will tell but seeing the strategy yet, I must say, we are in position to lead the game at some points despite being smaller team (not an excuse but seeing resources) though never to forget that we are playing with many bigger opponents and things not made clear are better.


The above all mentioned opinions, discussion and findings to the some extent are solely presented by me and purely based upon whatever I have felt or observed. In over all, it is no where intended to hurt the feelings of any poster or will wisher of leadership/armed forces. The post shared hereby is being a Pakistani and a citizen with concerns for Pakistan however; I could be mistaken to the points in whole or to the some but may not be treated as grudge, enmity and or in rebuttal. In deed the sharing of feelings, issues and ideas as well as solutions are needed by the time and will help build better Pakistan.


Pakistan Zindabad

 

[New Resolve]

rubbish thread

 

[Darth Vader]

@MastanKhan
Everything you arr posting for some time its been some how negative even if it has some thing postive about it you make it a conspiracy theory by big foot or aliens

Every country has its own interests and they dont give a flying fish what others think or do they want there goals and interests protected

As about Uncle Sam threatening Pakistan has this been done in Pakistan , no one is invading Pakistan soon unless Pakistan is so weak that Army cant even protect and you see militas overtaking Islamabad and rest of Pakistan

Uncle sam and Pakistans relation is like typical indian drama sas bahoo they hate each other but the cant leave each other bcz they need something from each other


As Pakistan didnt bought su 35 or twin engine jets and 200 to 300 f16s nd thunders well Pakistan coudnt afford it they are doing there best you have to keep a eye on Economy too while Pakistans economy was shrinking Indian economy and infulence was getting boost
and many other things also come into play too so you just give it some time
Getting tottaly different platforms which you had no clue about is not easy to maintain it takes years of experience and expertise
Pakistan just coudnt afford it simple

 

[Viper0011.]

How many wars with Russia? how many wars with Iran?
Iraq? ok lets admit it had some semblance of a professional army which had almost depleted to its last legs thanks to years of fighting neighboring countries, where Iraqi soldiers would rather flee than fight because of fear of Saddam, the cult leader.

Libya? Syria? Afghanistan? Would you want me to go one by one? Boots on ground?
Why does not US send its forces as peace keeping force in Ukraine? Why did USA not put boots on ground in Serbia? Why is Syria still off limits to US boots? Why is Syria such a cesspool for USA?

If a war with Russia broke out, it would've turned into a WWIII with nukes involved. People like you take this stuff so easy that it sounds like watching a movie!! Second, just because ALL wars with Russia were avoided from BOTH sides, doesn't mean either side was running away from it.

Next, unlike your country where any General can get up and decide to start a Kargil type of a war, our civilian leaders decide when boots on the ground are needed and when not. We have an active congress running our affairs, these guys were elected by the people of the United States and they think about the people's welfare first. We don't have dictators who take over governments and make one man decisions and show muscles and punches when they go in front of the global media!!!! There is an active debate in the US congress. The POTUS just asked that if the congress wants to win the war against ISIS, they need boots on the ground so they need to approve that task. But the law makers don't want another war where we have no skin in the game so why risk American lives?

The active civilian system is WHY we are ahead of the entire globe. Now if Pakistan had an active Civilian system 60 years ago and throughout, you'd be above South Korea in terms of economy and prosperity. Instead, you had generals who were too focused on power plays instead of doing anything for the Pakistani public. Pakistani public is what matters the most. But a few generals kept ignoring the entire nation and the country and look where it got to. It was being declared a failed state and bankrupt towards the end of 2012!!!!

 

[SrNair]

HI,

Gen Raheel's visit to the U S started with so much pomp and vigor and ended in much fanfare---but in its true self----it was just all for show and drama.

All the receptions and get together's and the time given by the senators and congressmen---the briefings by the general to the pentagon did not seem to have any substance to it at all---. The americans were attentive listeners---they were extremely cordial throughout all the time that the general was here in washington---but in truth---this welcome was basically a disguised goodbye to someone they had known over the years---it was basically all fluff.

It was done in a very polite and courteous manner---because the americans are not rude people---they are a wonderful people and will shove it up your's with a smile on their faces while holding your hand in a firm grip so that you do not have the time and the chance to run away.

The general's visit was as meaningless for the U S as it could be and of not much help for pakistan---because the U S has already walked out on afghanistan----it is not interested in pakistan's efforts if it does not include killing the afghan taliban and forcing them into submission to the northern alliance afghans.

The americans did not need any briefings from the generals at what good deeds the pakistani military is doing in Fata---they simply care less.

It is simply like this----you get to a stage when just one day you do not have any feelings for someone---because you simply have walked away in a different direction---or if there is someone else in your life that has entered that has shown more promise.

I feel terrible for Gen. Raheel---for he is a wonderful soldier---an extremely simple man with no fanfare---.

You said it .
That is why our policy makers ,leaders and public still always look US suspiciously .
We are extremely careful with any type of deals with them.
Like you said ,Never trusts US at your nations cost .

 

[New World]

Oh you are going to get me banned again through my emotional Mods buddies on here who don't like anything against the Pakistani military. But, I'll write the truth no matter what. So here I am, getting ready to be banned. But my post is actually the truth and it has some sense and not just written out of hate for the Pakistani Army.

Gen. Raheel wasn't invited to the US. He went there on his own, as some corps commanders didn't think that the "civilians" would convey their "opinions" correctly. The SAME mistake the military has ALWAYS made!! And with the past 60 years of NO progress, they are finally understanding the power of a Civilian elected government and her relationships across the globe!!

And you are right. The trip was a photo op to say the best. The US, out of sheer respect, allowed Gen. RS to meet with the VP. Joe Biden. Remember, you and I've discussed it before, SUITS, TIES and Salesmen!!!! Polite talk, present your case nicely, no push, build relationships, fun talk, get things done, meet in the middle and give some take some... Everyone's happy!! That's the American way of doing business and the militaries aren't designed for such result oriented negotiations. Nor will the American businessmen and politicians would meet with generals for these negotiations. It has to be civilians from all sides. Worst case, they'll "deal" with a general like Mushy when they have to. But no real love. That's only for an elected official.

At the end of the day, it was a Civilian elected leader's case that the US heard and supported, resulted in Modi going to Lahore. And it were two leaders (Modi and NS) who agreed on a peace initiative and due to which, the Indian side hasn't made any crazy war mongering after the Pathankot event. So this is the civilian magic at work (add CPEC and all other investments to it also).

On Gen. RS's tour, NS had already done the talking for the military, agreed on and had strategized the next steps. There was no reason for a knee jerk reaction from the Pakistani Military. But, Gen. Sharif is very much liked by the Pentagon and people he met in the US government from what I've heard. He's got good reputation and ethics, and he's a great guy.

wow. really when did US support civilian Govt in Pakistan..

American didn;t like Liaquat ali khan and made an arrangement for him.
US put himself away from Zulfiqar ali bhutto's Civilian Govt. and made arrangement for him..
America again sided herself from Benazir and Nawaz's Civilian Govt.
and now again US didn't support Nawaz fully..

unlike your country where any General can get up and decide to start a Kargil type of a war,

it isn't right that in korean war the mad Generals of US army wants to nuke both North Korea and China??
it isn't right that Corrupt Generals and Officals in US Army funds and made D'coup in almost all South America's Countries??
it isn't right that Officials in US army support terrorists group in Africa and Asia??
it isn't right that CIA support and do trade with Drug cartel in South America and in Mexico??

Now if Pakistan had an active Civilian system 60 years ago and throughout, you'd be above South Korea in terms of economy and prosperity. Instead, you had generals who were too focused on power plays instead of doing anything for the Pakistani public. Pakistani public is what matters the most. But a few generals kept ignoring the entire nation and the country and look where it got to. It was being declared a failed state and bankrupt towards the end of 2012!!!!

ya it was Civilian Govt of Liaquat Ali khan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto which was toppled by America as both leaders were putting national interest first in cooperation with US..