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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Yes,the infamous double standards.


Cannibalism? What are you even talking about?

@waz @LeGenD @Kambojaric @PDF @WebMaster @KAL-EL @RescueRanger Will you guys ever do something about this guy?

It's not about heated debates anymore,this guy is too toxic,he won't stop insulting and being vulgar.
Where I was vulgar? It was a story in the Serbian magazine about you??? No ???
Cannibalism ? Where. Go on and f. Ingredients read the Russian archives . It will make it clear to you. OK?
I kinda know , what was the food intake in Russian Empire 1913 , 1928 1956.ok? Do you want to play this game?
Do you or Kykes want to play it with me? Do you pank?
 
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What is Hezbollah doing? 44 men gone to fight a pillar on the border for two straight weeks? They killed probably 3-4 Israeli soldiers. I thought Hezbollah was some elite force. Is the political heads of Hezbollah holding back the military wing ? This is embarrassing for the 'resistance-axis' guys. Can you do something else besides hitting this stupid pillar on the border ?

Man people here have awful military knowledge.

Israels lebonan border isn't manned deeply and its because of these "pillars" and very powerful monitoring systems. So they don't have to worry about spending time deploying forces there. Its for the reason no Hezbollah manned posts exist on their border because they're constantly watched by censors and cameras. Destroying these pillars is the key from their POV to cut off Israels eyes on the border and force them to divert manpower to the border where they can be more easily confronted.


This is all common sense.
 
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Where I was vulgar? It was a story in the Serbian magazine about you??? No ???
Cannibalism ? Where. Go on and f. Ingredients read the Russian archives . It will make it clear to you. OK?
I kinda know , what was the food intake in Russian Empire 1913 , 1928 1956.ok? Do you want to play this game?
Do you or Kykes want to play it with me? Do you pank?
What's this "about you"?? Who's "we"?
You talk like a drunkard. Stop using the term Kykes all the time,you sound like a neo-nazi skinhead.
 
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But you don't use the same argument for Ukraine or Israel? So when Hamas attacked the Israeli army , the Israeli army used the civilians as human shields hence why a lot of Israeli casualties.

I think you have a misunderstanding of the concept of 'human shield'. Am going to use as neutral language as much as possible, and if I use 'you', I mean the word in the generic, not personal, sense. Let us see if whoever is behind the forum handle 'khansaheeb' is capable of the same courtesy. But I would not let my hopes up.

In wars, the concept of 'human shield' exists only if one side works somehow to avoid non-combatant casualties. The 'non-combatant' is the proper phrase to denote those who DO NOT want to engage in combat but since the phrase is commonly associated with 'civilian', I will use the common vernacular. If you chose not to respect that idea, then immediately the concept of 'human shield' comes into play. Whether you actually divert civilians into your battle calculus or not, is not yet the point. So if I am aware that you do not respect the idea of a 'non-combatant', I am immediately at risk in killing civilians in the course of combat. I do not know whether you will chose to use 'human shields' at point A or B or wherever, I just know that from point to point, I have to consider the possibility of civilians IN THE WAY of combat.

Now, how old is the understanding that soldiers and civilians are not the same and that there are conducts in war? Quite old. Here is one example:


...both Euripides and Thucydides were able to write of the "common customs (koina nomima) of the Hellenes," which,in regard to the law of war, may be summarized as follows:​
1. The state of war should be officially declared before commencing hostilities against an appropriate foe; sworn treaties and alliances should be regarded as binding.​
2. Hostilities are sometimes inappropriate; sacred truces, especially those declared for the celebration of the Olympic games, should be observed.​
3. Hostilities against certain persons and in certain places are inappropriate; the inviolability of sacred places and persons under protection of the gods, especially heralds and suppliants, should be respected.​
4. Erecting a battlefield trophy indicates victory; such trophies should be respected.​
5. After a battle it is right to return enemy dead when asked; to request the return of one's dead is tantamount to admitting defeat.​
6. A battle is properly prefaced by a ritual challenge and acceptance of the challenge.​

It should be understood that what conduct was considered 'acceptable' then maybe 'unacceptable' today, but the main point is that across time, cultures, and continents, there is a consistency that some conducts are considered 'honorable' and 'dishonorable' for soldiers.

Note item 3: Hostilities against certain persons... What could be those 'certain persons'? Every culture sophisticated enough to separate soldiers apart from everyone else, that 'certain persons' class is obvious: non-combatants or civilians.

Israel charged that Hamas divert civilians into their battle calculus. Is that charge valid? If yes, then any civilian death is morally upon Hamas, even if the civilians were killed by Israeli soldiers in the course of battle. If no, then any civilian death is morally upon Israel. Simple as that.

How many ways could you divert civilians into your battle calculus? Many. From literally putting a civilian in front of you, to using a civilian's home to store weapons, to having bivouacs within sight of civilians. In any of these examples, there are ZERO degrees of moral separation between you and the civilian(s).

Soldiers have the right and the moral obligation to responds to attacks upon them, and if you use 'human shields', the tragedy of their deaths are on you. Simple as that.
 
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I've seen Israelis(and Jews living in Greece) say similar things in documentaries. That for the sake of peace,they were willing to give up land.
I was making a different point. That
About this,I don't know. You're exaggerating.
Not really.
But this is true,many people in Greece think of that as well. And it's true that Jews control much of the world. When I say Jews I don't mean the average Joe. I mean the elite. They control much of the world through various means.

Of course,not everything is a Jewish conspiracy. There are Muslims who blame the Jews for everything. There are white supremacist neo-nazis blaming Jews for everything.

On the other hand,communists blame "Imperialism" and "the capital" for everything. I once discussed a bit with a communist guy when I was studying and used to go to the,let's say university,wearing a kuffiyah almost always. He was like "we don't believe it's the Jews or Zionism,we believe it's the International Capital to blame for the Palestinian issue". And he kept repeating "It's the international Capital,it's the Americans,it's the rich Jews" etc.


And yet we're in 2023.
your friend is just confused I would say.
 
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The agreement negotiated under Clinton would give the West Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians with some minor adjustments.
Israel is not a monolith. Some certainly want all the West Bank, some do not.


Noone wants to be a minority amongst rabid murderers.


Palestinians has not presented any alternative to continuous war.
What a half truth nonsense post.

The agreement under Clinton would give them Gaza and WB yes, but would not be allowed any defence force, the land given to them would be under a phased 10-15 period, where they were at Israel's mercy. With no control over their ports or airspace and under the agreement that Israel be allowed to deploy its air force, its armed forces and navy any time it wished if it deemed there was a 'security risk'.

A rump state totally under Israeli mercy with no control of its air or borders. Yeah, great solution. We see this working very well in West Bank right now.
 
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Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad chiefs discuss route to ‘victory’ on Israel

Hezbollah has had near-daily exchanges of fire with Israeli forces along the border since the Gaza war erupted.


They need to speed up their discussion. As they continue to stall, hundreds are dying in Palestine.
 
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What's this "about you"?? Who's "we"?
You talk like a drunkard. Stop using the term Kykes all the time,you sound like a neo-nazi skinhead.
So true, These terms like Kyke dont offend anyone. Especially them. There is only one term that forces them to recoil in horror. It's a 3 letter word.
 
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What's this "about you"?? Who's "we"?
You talk like a drunkard. Stop using the term Kykes all the time,you sound like a neo-nazi skinhead.
What Neo Nazi? Neo Nazis of today are like you
The guy who approves in his OWN WORDS MASSACRES OF MUSLIMS
Didn't you? You little lying b tch? Didn't you?
You made a little story the last night. OK
WHERE ARE THE SI CALLED VICTIMS BURIED? WHEN WERE THEY BURIED? WHAT ARE THEY NAMES? IS THERE ANY VIDEO, WHICH CAN BE USED AS THE EVIDENCE OF ALL ABOVE QUESTIONS.
Here you come to give your stories?
I have money and I work in my particular way , but how the beggar like you can spend the whole day on the computer or phone while living in almost impoverished Greece?
Because you are a gey escort and payed troll . OK?
So don't be shy. Just say " I Fonikas , I am gey"
Everyone here knows that
 
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This is the mentality of the Panislamist keyboard warriors as well right now. They are blind to any atrocities by their side,
always considering them as "lies" and "propaganda",while constantly exalting any kind of Muslim group that appears,no matter what they do. And of course,in this way they become pawns of their enemies who try to diminish the humanity of the Palestinian cause.


Oh darn,I forgot to tag you on the other thread. You just said exactly how I felt about what he did.

Because facts are on our side and do not lie...

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If Palestinians are animals for Israel. Then ISRAELi is nothing but a Kyke to us....
Kyke is worse than animal..
Animal can be loyal
Kykes are snakes...
Animal appreciate
Kyke bites the hand that fed it.
What you do when you see a Kyke or snake..
Extract the poison and ...........
 
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NYT rejects Israeli stance on massacre at Gaza’s Al-Ahli hospital

Investigation reveals rocket fired from Israeli town of Nahal Oz; NPR, BBC also reach similar conclusions.

• Investigation reveals rocket fired from Israeli town of Nahal Oz struck ill-fated hospital
• NPR, BBC investigations also reach similar conclusions


WASHINGTON: The New York Times, which reviewed evidence around the Oct 17 explosion at the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza, has rejected the Israeli assertion that a rocket fired by a Palestinian group caused the deaths of more than 400 people, mostly children.

But experts were also unable to confirm the counterclaim that an Israeli airstrike had indeed caused the blast.

Israeli and American officials have based their case on an errant Palestinian rocket, which malfunctioned in the sky, fell to the ground and hit the hospital.

NYT conducted an independent investigation of the incident, quoting experts as telling its investigators that “a widely cited missile video (that pinned the blame on the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group) does not shed light on what happened.”
 
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How come we don't see Palestinian Christians,go around shooting Israelis and going on suicide missions? Or cutting heads and going around proudly saying they killed Jews? Palestinian Christians dislike Israel and hate the occupation as well. They are patriots too.

But you know the difference? The culture and mentality of radical Islam. The seeking of revenge among civilian population.
The "whoever kills our children we will kill his children" like a guy said in a documentary once.

This is what Hamas is. Hamas doesn't have any moral high ground,Hamas is the kind of group that will happily kill women and children and other fellow Palestinians,if they oppose their plans.

Yes,Hamas is a byproduct of the occupation,but it's a radical Sunni group. It's a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's the kind of group,that betrayed their long-time supporters Syria and Iran in the blink of an eye,as soon as similar like-minded groups appeared in Syria.
Hamas is a creation of Israel both literally and figuratively.

The Palestinian movement was originally a secular one with active involvement from both Muslims and Christians. Israel helped create and support right wing Islamic groups to weaken and discredit Fatah and the PLO. Hamas serves as a great boogeyman for Israel and it is useful. Actually many of the so called Islamic terror groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS were created by the CIA and Mossad similarly. They were used to topple more secular governments that were anti imperialist in the region.

Secondly, Israel keeps Hamas alive by constantly murdering civilians. Look, if someone murders your wife and your children and you have nothing left, do you care if you lose your life killing the enemy?
 
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