Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[Mehdipersian]

Prove it that my knowledge is weak. At the moment you are blaming me without any proof.
I will gladly indulge in religious debate, but I have to respect the admins/mods decision and rules of this forum.
You want to indulge in a religious debate with me, then ask permission from mods and open a new thread. Otherwise stop blaming me without any proof.

By the way, I also wonder, what knowledge do you need to see these double standards of Muslims:

The situation of today is clear, there should exist no Muslim Palestinian State under the influence of Hamas, where non-Muslims have to live under fear and have no equal rights to preach their religion and convert people to their religion and to criticize Islam. Where LGBT members are thrown down from high buildings while they also don't have any rights to exist. Where ex-Muslims are lynched and killed brutally for their crime of leaving Islam. Why should we ever support such oppressive Islamic states? Why should we not criticize the double standards of Muslims where they are quick to demand equal rights to preach Islam and convert people to Islam in non-Muslim countries, but are not ready to give us the same human rights?​

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Muslims want to talk about Islamophobia and invasion by Jews, then let us also talk about double standards and homophobia and Murtadphobia and Kafirophobia of Muslims.​

Another stupid comment.
If you study Judaism, you will find some interesting points. That how much these jews are freaky and racist and hateful to other humans.

Your defense of Israel is a sign of your illiteracy. It's similar to stupid Indians.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

There are always casualties in war

It's easy to say this while sitting inw comfortable bed.
Palestinians are having unacceptable casualties and are losing the little left over land also.
This war is only benefiting Israelis.

 

[sammuel]

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[Falcon29]

Earlier:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720394068071502314

 

[Lehrasap]

Can you not do the religion discussion here. You're the one bringing it up. Let's focus on developments please.

I am not questioning Islam, but I am questioning Muslims and the Islamic States of TODAY.

If the whole world has already agreed to give rights to Muslims to preach and convert people to Islam, why then Muslims and Islamic States of today not doing the same?

It is a political issue. And Islamic States have all the right to change the state-level rules according to time and need. That is why Islamic States agreed to abolish slavery too.

In simple words, these become severe double standards of Muslims today, and they will bring no peace, but only extreme hatred against Muslims of today. It will end only in bloodshed. Either of our blood will flow, your Muslim blood will flow or the blood of both of us will flow. And responsible for this bloodshed will be Muslims of today, who don't want to reform themselves.

 

[Falcon29]

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Crocodile tears. He will be tried in a international court for war crimes.

 

[Mehdipersian]

It's easy to say this while sitting inw comfortable bed.
Palestinians are having unacceptable casualties and are losing the little left over land also.
This war is only benefiting Israelis.

Killed Palestinians are martyrs and they are in good situation now.

Israel's interest lies in the silence and surrender of the Palestinians.

Being silent in front of the bloodthirsty killer will only make it easier for him to kill you.

 

[leonblack08]

I get your points brother and no one is condemning hamas for doing what they did. Their frustration is understandable.
We are questioning their stragety.
1. Why were no bunkers made for civilians in case of war.
2. What was their solution incase of a blockade?.
3. What was their response going to be to these air strikes?
Seem to me they completely ignored the casualty that civilians will endure.

I guess the point i wanna make is
Will you go up to a 6'4 280 pound muscular guy punch him in the face and then stand there? What is your next step then?

I understand it brother. and trust me, that was my initial reaction when I heard of the attack - more innocent people are gonna be dead.

But innocent people have been getting killed slowly anyway. Once in a while it makes a headline, but world seems to be slowly forgetting the Palestinian cause. The last nail in the coffin seems to be normalization of relations by Saudi and UAE. I can see the desperation and understand why they did it. Even though I don't support any killing of civilian Israelis, becuase that is against Islam's norm of warfare.

In terms of protecting people of Gaza from retribution - I don't think Hamas had any plans nor was it possible to create massive underground bunkers for civilians to take refuge. They were hoping for other non-state and state actors to jump in the war and take the heat off somewhat. That again shows that it was a very desperate move to attack on Oct 7. They seem to have taken this as the last stand. Because I am pretty sure even they knew Israel will try to murder civilians and annex Gaza in retaliation.

 

[Falcon29]

I am not questioning Islam, but I am questioning Muslims and the Islamic States of TODAY.

If the whole world has already agreed to give rights to Muslims to preach and convert people to Islam, why then Muslims and Islamic States of today not doing the same?

It is a political issue. And Islamic States have all the right to change the state-level rules according to time and need. That is why Islamic States agreed to abolish slavery too.

In simple words, these become severe double standards of Muslims today, and they will bring no peace, but only extreme hatred against Muslims of today. It will end only in bloodshed. Either of our blood will flow, your Muslim blood will flow or the blood of both of us will flow. And responsible for this bloodshed will be Muslims of today, who don't want to reform themselves.

I know you're not questioning Islam but it's still a religious discussion which should be avoided. Many went through a phase like you. No one is saying Muslims are angels, they aren't. But the Palestinian struggle is a just one. My advice would be to not be distracted by Muslims and focus on prayer and leading a good life. Lots of Muslims behavior isn't good today but God is merciful and gives people time and many chances to repent and he can guide people to the right path .... We don't have control over it....

 

[Lehrasap]

Another stupid comment.
If you study Judaism, you will find some interesting points. That how much these jews are freaky and racist and hateful to other humans.

Your defense of Israel is a sign of your illiteracy. It's similar to stupid Indians.

What do I have to do with Judaism? I am an ex-Muslim and I am simply demanding my equal human rights.

 

[epebble]

He does not dare to oppose America and Israel. This is enough to know if he is a puppet or not

He is a President of Turkey. His first (and really only) job is to take good care of his nation and people. What does he get by 'opposing' America and Israel? They are not even adversaries. Turkey is an ally of U.S. That benefits Turkey quite a bit besides defending from anyone else. Turkey cannot be 'Ukrained' by Russia. Why should Turkey 'oppose' Israel when Arab countries have O.K. (if not friendly) relations with Israel? It is not even an Arab country to pick a banner on behalf of Palestinians. They have no special relationship that Malaysia or Indonesia do not have.

 

[Mehdipersian]

What do I have to do with Judaism? I am an ex-Muslim and I am simply demanding my equal human rights.

Lol every human will hate Israhell after Israhell crimes. Only stupid pagans like Indians are ok with this and defend Israhell.

 

[Indos]

It's easy to say this while sitting inw comfortable bed.
Palestinians are having unacceptable casualties and are losing the little left over land also.
This war is only benefiting Israelis.

Gaza is actually owned by Egypt

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720545889985442290

 

[dBSPL]

Air bombing or not, but Hamas has to be eliminated by Israel. Otherwise, there will be no peace possible as Hamas does not accept Israelis right to exist.

I don't think Israel is deliberately killing civilians, as this is absolutely not in the interest of Israel, but only interest of Hamas.

Hamas is intentionally using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Does anyone deny it?

And no, we non-Muslims don't want another Iran or Taliban or ISIS or al-Nusra like Muslim state under Hamas run Palestine/Gaza.

Hamas is not a cause, it is a result. Formore than 70 years, people's lands were usurped, they were thrown into dungeons even before hamas, tens of thousands of people, tens of thousands of civilians lost their lives under bombs. Gazza was turned into an open-air prison for nearly 20 years. The largest concentration camp established in world history led a population to extinction. Israel does not recognize the UN resolutions, does not recognize the Palestinian state, is subjecting the Palestinian people to genocide, and you propose that the Palestinian people accept this extinction. I ask you, as an Indian, if you were in this situation, would you leave your Father's land?

These are the three terrorist organizations that founded the state of Israel. The militias of 3 terrorist organizations came together and formed the first structure of the IDF. These terrorists killed hundreds of civilians, committed countless massacres, raided villages, bombed buildings, and then, with the support of british they began to call themselves a state on the lands they usurped.

We see these every day not just these days, but you need severe mental retardation or complete blindness to ignore the supremacist, nazist racism and sick world of thought that does not even see anyone other than themselves as human, which these terrorists have not even felt the need to hide in their nazizm to the international media since October 7th.

While refugee camps, schools, hospitals, soup kitchens and aid centers are being bombed mercilessly, without discrimination against civilians, a world of thought that would justify the massacre army that threw these bombs cannot come into being in any other way.