Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[epebble]

You are correct. I don't think Americans want an escalation. I think Americans are trying to follow the old model: Let Israelis do killing nth time the number of Palestinian killings and be done. But Israeli situation is precarious: If they let Hamas stand, however weaker, then Israelis have lost and Netanyahu is toast even sooner than he would be otherwise.


Why wouldn't Russia? Supplying through Wagner provides plausible deniability of Russian role.

But Israelis are in a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. They can't let Hamas stand in Gaza and they can't ignore American commands for long. Remember: America is a Superpower with its own interests and who knows what MBS told as some 'redline' to Americans? The GCC Arabs maybe fearful of Tel Aviv/Washington but they can't ignore their own 'street' if this become a regional war. They may face President Najibullah treatment by the Taliban!


Because, after years of supporting the Palestinians, the GCC Arabs are okay to have 'peace' and prosperity in their countries instead of asking for a destruction of their countries by Israel/its backers. And a lot of the GCC rulers 'own' is in the Western financial institutions/countries: Their yachts, their mansions, their stocks, their bonds, their real estate, their $$ reserves, are only a few days away from Biden's flick of his pen. Happened to Russia recently!!

Yes, this looks like a multi-dimensional mess like the prelude to the WW1 and WW2. Some stupid people make some stupid plan and the whole house of cards falls down. The sad thing is, we barely came out of 20 years of Middle East wars, and we have, what may be, another generational conflict. 'Holy Land' may be the real 'Dante's Inferno'. One cannot say God does not have a sense of humor.

 

[tower9]

America cannot fight another war. It's ultimately up to the Jewish American community to decide. They'd rather have world war 3 and billions killed then to stop their ethnic cleansing genocide campaign in Gaza. The Jewish American community is the greatest national security threat to America. The majority(white Christians) need to do something about this and prevent the Jews from dragging us into world war.

How is the majority supposed to do something when they dont even realize they are being controlled? Americans are among the most indoctrinated people on earth. The propaganda is so good that they don't even realize it's propaganda because "Muh Free Speech! Muh Free Media!"

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720131306305003578

Nobody wants to tangle with the US military

 

[Falcon29]

Cutting off Gaza in half is gonna hurt the civilian population in the northern half of Gaza. If Israeli terrorists don't allow aid and supplies to get in. As for the Palestinian resistance. They are divided in regions and don't rely on another region. Each region in Gaza has a battleplans and it's resources and manpower. Israel cuts Gaza in half during every ground invasion. As it's the easiest thing to do since it's a empty area.

Ofcourse Usa will enter the war, they will defend Israel from any realistic threats. The gulf GCC and Israel are dreaming for Iran to enter the war so Usa/Nato and Iran war can take place, they want the end of Iran as a regional power.

I doubt GCC wants such a war. They would be destoryed in it.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720139581486453072

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720131306305003578

Nobody wants to tangle with the US military

Again, this is Israel's war. Not the US's war. Why are you hiding behind the US? Didn't you say Israel has the most powerful military in the region and can fight its own wars?

 

[Borderlands]

Mostly correct, except I disagree with stance on Arab countries. It is not their weak morality that is holding them back but calculated self-interest. They have learnt from previous experience that getting into Palestinian's fight is expensive and thankless. I posted this history lesson earlier:

Black September - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They are just being Once bitten twice shy. The southern saying for this is 'there is no education in the second kick of a mule'.

Palestinians in Syria also went against Assad during civil war & got ruthlessly bombed. Yarmouk refugee camp in Damascus had around 160,000 Palestinian refugees. When Syrian civil war began, they went with rebels and tried to overthrow Assad. SAA bombed the hell out of Yarmouk refugee camp and only 150 people remains now. Every single building was destroyed. Compared to that, even Israeli bombing of Gaza looks lite.

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720139581486453072

That's a police car. We can clearly see the blaring siren lights. Nice try though.

 

[Meengla]

Yes, this looks like a multi-dimensional mess like the prelude to the WW1 and WW2. Some stupid people make some stupid plan and the whole house of cards falls down. The sad thing is, we barely came out of 20 years of Middle East wars, and we have, what may be, another generational conflict. 'Holy Land' may be the real 'Dante's Inferno'. One cannot say God does not have a sense of humor.

Correct.
I was just telling my wife: Prepare for a rough ride ahead. Even us solid middle class Americans won't be spared in case of a regional/World War.

 

[Falcon29]

Israeli's teaching their kids to hate and kill Arabs:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719803201363361937

 

[epebble]

Yes I know but I have a strong feeling it's Lindsey Graham. US cannot go to war with Iran just because Hezbollah strikes Israel. It also cannot bomb Lebanon without Congressional approval. There is no threat to US forces. This is a attempt by Israel to make it America's war.

I feel U.S. going to war with Iran would need Congressional approval, but not with Hezbollah or Lebanon. Congress will just look the other way. Just as it happened with the killing of Soleimani.

 

[Bugsy Boy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720131306305003578

Nobody wants to tangle with the US military

Afghani taliban might have something to say about it.

 

[HGV]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720141219693531169

 

[Falcon29]

Look at this. Israeli army told Gaza civilians to evacuate to the south using this road. When civilian families fled with their civilians cars, Israel bombed and targeted them. Murdering many families. And bombed ambulances trying to reach them:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720137011552469042

I feel U.S. going to war with Iran would need Congressional approval, but not with Hezbollah or Lebanon. Congress will just look the other way. Just as it happened with the killing of Soleimani.

Nope. It needs congressional approval. Anyway, what happened to independent Netanyahu? Weren't you boasting yesterday that Netanyahu is not listening to the US and Israel fighting his own war? Why do you keep asking US to fight your war?

 

[PakFactor]

Correct.
I was just telling my wife: Prepare for a rough ride ahead. Even us solid middle class Americans won't be spared in case of a regional/World War.

Low to high middle income are going to be stretched thin real soon if a major regional conflict breaks out.

We have some investments we liquidated in the market and are holding cash. Let's see what next year brings.