Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[PakistaniandProud]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718318543022821648

 

[lightning F57]

There has been allot of contradictory reports given by Israeli's themselves on the incidents that happened on the 7th October.

I am not trying to down play any Israeli deaths or say its all a conspiracy theory but I want to list some of these incidents then leave it to rest of you to research. I have found it very strange that hamas would burn people alive, behead babies, carry out mass rapes, deliberatly gun people down at a music festival. These actions seem to be of a group that just want to kill and not achieve anything but revenge. Maybe that was their objective, or maybe what really happened is being covered up and misreported.

So here is a few things per above video:

• Col. Golan Vach said they found 8 burned babies in a house, saying hamas fighters beheaded and burned them. The houses shown on the videos had extensive damage, houses looked like made of concrete, my question how does lightly armed hamas fighters carry out such destructution of these buildings?
• Tuval Escapa a member of the security team for Kibbutz Be'er told Haaretz the commanders in the field made difficult decisions including shelling houses with occupants inside to kill the hamas members. This testimony shows that IDF killed their own people here. The reports were indicating Israeli high command gave the orders to attack homes within israel even if it cost israeli lives.
• Hararetz reported the IDF mentioned they could only take the Be'er Kibbutz after shelling the homes there. 112 residents died there.
• Reporter from Israeli news outlet I24 described seeing green grass lawn ripped up by armoured vehicle at the kibbutz.
• Yasmin Porat attended the Nova music festival, she fled to a Kibuttz and stated when Israeli special forces arrived they eleminated everyone including the hostages. She also stated in a radio show called this morning show hosted by Aryeh Golan, that they were leaving the kibuttz house under heavy fire and she shouted out to the special forces to stop, they stopped and she saw 5-6 hostages laying dead outside on the grass, she assumed they were massacred by hamas.
• Yasim Porat also stated she believed they wanted to capture them not kill them.
• The destruction and the burned bodies shown to the media are consistent with what can happen if being shelled by tanks.
• Israeli news outlet Mako reported, an Apache pilot states he was firing on vehicles that would have had israeli captives inside, he wasnt sure as things were happening quickly so decided to fire anyway.. Another pilot to Mako stated "i found myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them"
• Daniel Rachiel who attended the music festival said as she was fleeing described coming under fire by Israeli forces thinking them to be hamas.
• IDF commander Avi Rosenfeld ordered an airstrike at the Erez checkpoint where he was to kill the hamas militants.
• Multiple Israeli hostages have said hamas treated them humanely.

Now you have to ask yourself what would have been the motive of Hamas attack, the only two real scenarios I can think of are:

1. Get revenge for 20 years of blockage and killings they and the Palestinian people suffered
2. Gather hostages to exchange the thousands of palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails

Motive 1 basically would affect any independence movement your trying to achieve, especially if your deliberately killing civilians. Yes we have seen videos where Hamas are doing this the videos I saw was of people escaping that were killed. This option makes you lose the support of the world and to me seems like a suicide option.

Motive 2 seems like something more thought out and even achievable, they probably didnt calculate or expect the kind of mass attacks they are getting in gaza now if their plan was to take hostages.

One thing is also clear to me the Israelis were caught napping, they didnt know what was going on. In the fog of war and confusion there likely could have been lots of friendly fire kills which the Israeli government and its leaders may have want to blame on hamas to get the support and sympathy to carry out the genocide they are doing now in gaza.

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718375132408758417

 

[TheSolution]

I get what you’re saying bro but would you agree that we are in an authoritarian situation right now? Where there is no regard for law and constitution? How is that working out so far? My logic is simple I don’t know how to operate artillery and a tank so the person who knows how to operate those machines isn’t exactly an economic wizard. No offense meant or disrespect brother. Brother we can’t compare ourselves to China they went through a VERY bloody revolution in which millions died. Our country isn’t even close to a revolution instead of somebody wants to screw is we say will you
Get the oil or should i? Lastly China was built on the principle of communism no religion only socialist fuckery we were built on the notion of a republic and religion.

I understand what you mean, I think we both raise valid points.

And yes I would say it's an authoritarian system right now, disguised as a democracy. But an incredibly incompetent one and almost tyrannical in nature.

 

[Falcon29]

Pure terrorism and genocide

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718378708342608025

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718377251514052608

 

[Tamerlane]

Democracy isn't suitable for Pakistan, especially not at the moment.

It needs authoritarianism but a more competent version, not the babbu duffer type.

I think that democracy is perfectly suitable for Pakistan. In fact, it is the most suitable form of government. The only people it doesn't suit are the duffer generals of the British Indian Army and the criminals who work for them.

By democracy I mean real democracy with a government elected by the people, not criminal politicians and judges installed by intelligence agencies.

 

[Mustang125]

I understand what you mean, I think we both raise valid points.

And yes I would say it's an authoritarian system right now, disguised as a democracy. But an incredibly incompetent one and almost tyrannical in nature.

That is the result of all authoritarian systems, you can make people fear you but they never love or respect you. Lastly my point is NEVER on this forum to prove myself right or argue so you are you had valid points and so did I and that’s how we grow! Unless somebody really pisses me off I am the type of guy who tell you I am trolling when I am trolling. Actually one thing does piss me off is when pakistani assume that if somebody is a Shia he is an Iranian in disguise and we are waiting to take over the country on Iran’s command. I think it disrespects me because I am as Pakistani as any other bloke. any ways all love bro!

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718377141690106033

 

[BHAN85]

The GCC's pitiful response has exposed the hollowness, and it's a warning to Pakistan to stay away from the GGC. It has no muscle or pulls even within its region.

Pakistan was better off trying to create an alternative block with a nuclear umbrella policy in place.

We're used to the American clowns who dont move a inch without say one million stupid lies in all directions.

GCC doesnt need that public show.

But if Hormuz strait is closed, they must do something.

Yemen 2015 intervention was just a training, and Saudi Arabia is the muslim and arab country with the highest military budget.

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718287003769614735

 

[PakistaniandProud]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718306578938446233

 

[Ghostkiller]

I wonder which Zionist vassal puppet will try to intercept it this time, Saudi Arabia or Egypt?

Ofc Egypt will intercept a missile and drones if it goes through our airspace. An technical error can literally kill egyptians. It is a threat to our national security.

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718123737550340350

 

[HGV]

Ofc Egypt will intercept a missile and drones if it goes through our airspace. An technical error can literally kill egyptians. It is a threat to our national security.

Apparently more than 10 trucks of food per day is also a threat to Egypt's "national security".

 

[Falcon29]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1718379402059276319