Gandhara Civilization,Trademark of Pakistan

[Peshwa]

Which part of Shared history is so hard to fathom for the Pakistani members here?

It is a fact that Hindus lived/ruled lands from Afghanistan to present day India for thousands of years before the Islamic invasion....
Obviously this means that the people of those kingdoms had many similarities (culturally and religiously) with present day hindus, most of whom reside in present day India....
The importance of those lands is not lost to Hindus.....

Similarly, Muslims ruled for a significant period of time, the whole of north India (North India, Pak and parts of Afghanistan)....with Delhi as their capital....
The fact that the seat of the Mughals was in delhi does not mean that Pakistanis have lost relevance of the Mughal rule since geographically they were ruling from a city in modern day India....

It is highly stupid to make things "Pakistani or Indian" based on their geography......that is OUR shared past that overshadows the 63 odd years we've been bickering over land....

 

[FaujHistorian]

Which part of Shared history is so hard to fathom for the Pakistani members here?

It is a fact that Hindus lived/ruled lands from Afghanistan to present day India for thousands of years before the Islamic invasion....
Obviously this means that the people of those kingdoms had many similarities (culturally and religiously) with present day hindus, most of whom reside in present day India....
The importance of those lands is not lost to Hindus.....

Similarly, Muslims ruled for a significant period of time, the whole of north India (North India, Pak and parts of Afghanistan)....with Delhi as their capital....
The fact that the seat of the Mughals was in delhi does not mean that Pakistanis have lost relevance of the Mughal rule since geographically they were ruling from a city in modern day India....

It is highly stupid to make things "Pakistani or Indian" based on their geography......that is OUR shared past that overshadows the 63 odd years we've been bickering over land....

Which part of this so called shared history is not based on 3rd grade school history books of India?

Why are you confusing the term "hindu" as inhabitant of Sindh valley with the "hindu" of religious group living in Ganga valley and mostly in modern day Hindustan?

Inhabitants of Sindh valley aka modern day Pakistan were never religiously Hindu.

Modern day Hinduism originated on the banks Ganga and Ganga civilzation came by much later compared to Sindh valley civilization. There is some debate if Sarswati valley had an even ancient civilization.

Modern day Hinduism resulted when some of the criminals were kicked out Sindh valley, and then the same criminals went to Ganga and enslaved the aborginies by turning them into "untouchables" or shudras.

So please check your family lineage and see if you belong to the aborigines of Ganga valley or the slave drivers of upper caste.


peace.

 

[kingkobra]

Which part of this so called shared history is not based on 3rd grade school history books of India?

Why are you confusing the term "hindu" as inhabitant of Sindh valley with the "hindu" of religious group living in Ganga valley and mostly in modern day Hindustan?

Inhabitants of Sindh valley aka modern day Pakistan were never religiously Hindu.

Modern day Hinduism originated on the banks Ganga and Ganga civilzation came by much later compared to Sindh valley civilization. There is some debate if Sarswati valley had an even ancient civilization.

Modern day Hinduism resulted when some of the criminals were kicked out Sindh valley, and then the same criminals went to Ganga and enslaved the aborginies by turning them into "untouchables" or shudras.

So please check your family lineage and see if you belong to the aborigines of Ganga valley or the slave drivers of upper caste.


peace.

lol you have no knowledge about anything in this world, do you?

 

[FaujHistorian]

lol you have no knowledge about anything in this world, do you?

So what's your point. Is Ganga valley civilization older than Indus valley civilization?

No lol, just serious discussion please.


peace.

 

[Jako]

Which part of this so called shared history is not based on 3rd grade school history books of India?

Why are you confusing the term "hindu" as inhabitant of Sindh valley with the "hindu" of religious group living in Ganga valley and mostly in modern day Hindustan?

Inhabitants of Sindh valley aka modern day Pakistan were never religiously Hindu.

Modern day Hinduism originated on the banks Ganga and Ganga civilzation came by much later compared to Sindh valley civilization. There is some debate if Sarswati valley had an even ancient civilization.

Modern day Hinduism resulted when some of the criminals were kicked out Sindh valley, and then the same criminals went to Ganga and enslaved the aborginies by turning them into "untouchables" or shudras.

So please check your family lineage and see if you belong to the aborigines of Ganga valley or the slave drivers of upper caste.


peace.

really?
that is what they teach you in your schools?

 

[Peshwa]

Which part of this so called shared history is not based on 3rd grade school history books of India?

Why are you confusing the term "hindu" as inhabitant of Sindh valley with the "hindu" of religious group living in Ganga valley and mostly in modern day Hindustan?

Inhabitants of Sindh valley aka modern day Pakistan were never religiously Hindu.

Modern day Hinduism originated on the banks Ganga and Ganga civilzation came by much later compared to Sindh valley civilization. There is some debate if Sarswati valley had an even ancient civilization.

Modern day Hinduism resulted when some of the criminals were kicked out Sindh valley, and then the same criminals went to Ganga and enslaved the aborginies by turning them into "untouchables" or shudras.

So please check your family lineage and see if you belong to the aborigines of Ganga valley or the slave drivers of upper caste.


peace.

Why do you even bother to reply when all you have nothing to back up your verbal diarrhea?

Im not sure if Hindu scriptures was part of your Madrasah education, but stop the usual Pakistani habit of acting more Arab than the Arab, More Sikh than the Sikhs....spare us Hindus from your nonesense...

 

[kingkobra]

So what's your point. Is Ganga valley civilization older than Indus valley civilization?

No lol, just serious discussion please.


peace.

i know you do not know about true vedic religion....vedic religion which follows four vedas strictly prohibits idol worship and polytheism...many westerners who thought they have learned sanskrit translated vedas but it was the most pathetic translation of vedas..

when budhists and jainis started to get stronger day by day vedic religion was in great trouble..budhists started building huge statues of budhas and idol worship started..jainas too did the same with their tirthankars even though they are atheists they build idols of tirthankars and idol worship evolved..

vedic religion was in great trouble as many were attracted to budhism and jainism...as a result so called hinduism evolved which we see today.....it has huge influence of budhism and jainism..

 

[Peshwa]

So what's your point. Is Ganga valley civilization older than Indus valley civilization?

No lol, just serious discussion please.


peace.

How about you first tell me about the "Ganga Valley Civilization"?
Im very interested in learning about this....

And secondly...Im writing a letter to the dean (Mullah) of the crappy Madrasah that you rolled out of to improve their standards of qualification/graduation....Your ignorance should be a shame for that institution that has rolled out some (RIP) "dynamic/explosive" students.....

 

[President Camacho]

I did not find a single shred of criticism coming from Pakistan when the 'good old Taliban' ruined the Bamian Buddhas that were the brightest sign of Gandhara style art. Rather, many quarters in Pakistan actually condoned and appreciated the act, for 'such depiction of human form was a representative of Paganism'.

And today, just for the heck of it, every Pakistani here is owning it up as if they personally presided over the formation of Gandhara.

Pakistan's Gandhara Civilization... yea right !

 

[great]

Pakistan was built because they thought Hindus and Muslims are two different people and have a different culture, hence cannot live together. I find it ironic and actually moronic for them to claim a Hindu civilization as their own now. Now lets see if they own up to the Vedas too. That would be hysterical.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan should do more internationally and at the University level to promote the study of the ancient and true Indus valley civilizations of modern day Pakistan. These ancient civilizations are the ancestors of the people of modern day Pakistan.

5,000 BCE - Present. Proud of the Indus Valley civilization and their achievements.

 

[MastanKhan]

How does that make a difference as Indian itself is generated from Indus??. If fighting over name then there are No mention of Pakistan in any textbooks 60-70 years ago so lets not discuss about that. Whole world knows 1947 as partition of British India as India and Pak except ofcourse people like you.

One more clarification for You, Pakistan was a land given for Muslims who want to separate state for Muslims, few migrated, few didn't, few made East Pakistan which later changed to Bangladesh. Now before 1971, If India does not have right on Indus valley civilzation then how half of Pakistan (Now B'desh) claims Gandhara/ Indus valley civilization?? Migration of people and current land does not authorize cultural heritage for respective era as land changes people come and go.

Right, India was not there but Indus was there Indus civilization was there.There were group of kingdoms were there which were called as India and that is why in 1400 AD Columbus was in search of India and not Kamboj/Gandhar. This is also evident why Red Indians/Indiana states were on name of Indians because of mistakes made by explorer. Oops no Pakistan here again same India!!

Sir,

The word indus river civilization as you are puting it is a misnomer----the civilizations relating to a river were spread maybe 5 ---10 at the most 25 miles away---the last one---I very much doubt it unless there were neighbourinbg rivers---but then as our forefathers were of extremely enterprising nature to rule and to conquer--they spread away from their center----but the true "BLUE BLUEBLOOD" would have remained in the viccinity of the land of their forefathers---and that civilization would have stayed as indus river civilization. It stayed as such for others---like those wanderer story tellers----who when they went back to their motherlands would talk about this land and only thing the people could relate to was indus river civilization and not brahmaputra or ganges civilization---which they could not comprehend or relate to.

So, for the story teller and the listener---everything from this area became indus river civilization---which truly it was not as it came out---even though the people from the region now known as india want to ride the wave of taking it as such. Ganges and brahmaputra and other civilizations are equally important to the local----but being not known and acknowledged the world wide---don't bring a lot to the table----so the people from bharat as they are, want to be related to something important and want to ride the wave that was never theirs to ride----the name---indus river civilization.

But incidently---as the land had so many invaders coming in hordes and driving the locals further down over for thousands of years---one then needs to ask the true identity of who really was what they claimed to be----but as we see that the last invasion of our lands was as recent as in the 1700 and 1800's and the conquerers stayed till 1947 and even after the big migration of people at that time, we have a problem of sorts of identity and sovereignty.

One wants revenge for the 800 years rule and subjugation---the other wants the old glory back---. Is it just like iran---what was the religion before islam---that period of glory---to whom does it belong----or even egypt----where does muslim egypt stand next to the pharaoh's egypt---. Are our problems similiar to those of these two nations---is our geography and history similiar to theirs---not at all.

So---if the rajah of gandhara was a hindu----the question to be asked is that what was his place of birth---chennai---kolkata---mumbai----peshawar or areas around it----or what----

 

[MastanKhan]

Pakistan was built because they thought Hindus and Muslims are two different people and have a different culture, hence cannot live together. I find it ironic and actually moronic for them to claim a Hindu civilization as their own now. Now lets see if they own up to the Vedas too. That would be hysterical.

The arabs are muslims now---they used to be idol worshippers----how about catholics----or the iranians---the fire worshippers--or any other group of people in europe who had a different god before christ the god---what do they have to say----.

 

[MastanKhan]

I did not find a single shred of criticism coming from Pakistan when the 'good old Taliban' ruined the Bamian Buddhas that were the brightest sign of Gandhara style art. Rather, many quarters in Pakistan actually condoned and appreciated the act, for 'such depiction of human form was a representative of Paganism'.

And today, just for the heck of it, every Pakistani here is owning it up as if they personally presided over the formation of Gandhara.

Pakistan's Gandhara Civilization... yea right !

Sir,

You are absolutely wrong at that----there was criticism from pakistan and all the muslim community----just for example----when arab became muslim---before that there were stone idols in ka'aba----prophet Mohammad didnot order the destruction of those idols out of respect for the believers----.

That act of destruction was carried out by fanatics---which are present inevery community ans society.

Now as for owning upto to gandhara civilization---so who needs to own up to it---the locals or someone from mumbai---chennai or kolkata---come on buddy---it is ours----whatever we want to make up of it----it is for us to do it---whenever we want to acknowledge it---it is upto us to chose the time and date----the place already belongs to us----it existed in our geography----.

Every nation needs to learn and acknowledge its identity in their own time and in their on space---it upsets you very much to see that happen---!!!!

 

[Shak]

यदा यदा ही धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भवति भारत, अभ्युथानम् अधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम् |

परित्राणाय साधुनाम विनाशाय च: दुष्कृताम, धर्मं संस्थापनार्थाय सम्भावामी युगे युगे ||

Approximate translation:

Whenever there is decline of Dharma (righteousness)..and rise of Adharma (unrighteousness);

To protect the virtuous..to destroy the wicked and to re-establish Dharma,

I manifest myself, through the ages


Present day gandhara descenders have forgotten there real religion. But dont worry guys lord will come and re-establish dharma ...your all 100% forefathers used to pray.