Future Pakistan-Turkish defense cooperation likely to be incremental, for now

[Signalian]

take the reports as a pinch of salt, as much as we wish Pakistan all the best, but you have to come to the ground at the end of the day````5th fighter is not a project can be done with just 'determination' or 'good wishes'```it needs an advanced, sophisticated and holistic system```

so far on this planet, there are only two industrial sphere/aggregate can do this job, the West leads by the U.S and China. thats it! not delusion or nationalistic ego can change this fact

In fact Pakistan has sent people to CAC, and CAC has made "unofficial" presentations of FC-31 project to your related parties, as the info is quite tight atm, so not much details avilable at my end`````````but from other angle, that CAC has already made an exported version of China's second type stealth jet with rough specifications, so it is very likely that "other" countries have showed great interests in this project``````

Don't worry, its not just Pakistan thats trying to develop this technical project, there are other countries too which are catching up like Japan, South Korea, Turkey and Sweden. France is going for 6th Gen.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

What we require right now is to have JF-17 more capable with a better engine, composites, Full fly by wire, AESA radar, IRST, and longer range BVR to match the ranges of the radar.

 

[Signalian]

Both of you and @rcrmj correct.

Azm is dominantly a deep customisation of FC-31 suited for PAF's needs.

Is PAC proposing a single engine already ?

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't want to derail the thread, there were many threads about Xinjiang riots . No country allows violence, extremism & terrorism. Same thing We are fighting with 75+ banned jihadi organizations & dealing with iron hands.

Look with india. Why are there riots. Kashmir, nagaland, tamils sikhs shall i go on.
Hindu terrorists in the rss shorts drinking cow piss are better are they? Fix your own house

 

[rcrmj]

Don't worry, its not just Pakistan thats trying to develop this technical project, there are other countries too which are catching up like Japan, South Korea, Turkey and Sweden. France is going for 6th Gen.

again, not ot to look down on their capability, Sweden does have good system design and integration experience and capability, and Japan has very advanced material industry ``````they can only do that with U.S's help, I mean greatly````forget about Turkey, not gonna happen in decades

Is PAC proposing a single engine already ?

dual engine```````

 

[Ultima Thule]

again, not ot to look down on their capability, Sweden does have good system design and integration experience and capability, and Japan has very advanced material industry ``````they can only do that with U.S's help, I mean greatly````forget about Turkey, not gonna happen in decades


dual engine```````

And those countries have you refer has capability to build 5th/6th gen jets alone without any help from USA because they also have research/industrial base, as for turkey their 5th gen jet will not come after 2030 @rcrmj

 

[BHarwana]

Project AZM is not the name of Pakistani 5th gen aircraft plz. Project AZM is to built the industrial capability for multiple weapons systems. FGFA of Pakistan includes 5th gen and which aircraft fall under FGFA of Pakistan is still classified.

Moving further JF-17 block 4 is not yet under consideration. Because Pakistan will move towards FGFA after block 3. The idea of block 4 will bring upgrades to block 3 and in that light Turkey is involved for upgrades needed to attract European market. A strating buyer for Turkish line of upgrades is Azerbaijan and China has already agreed to the idea. Hope this makes clear how things are moving.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

take the reports as a pinch of salt, as much as we wish Pakistan all the best, but you have to come to the ground at the end of the day````5th fighter is not a project can be done with just 'determination' or 'good wishes'```it needs an advanced, sophisticated and holistic system```

so far on this planet, there are only two industrial sphere/aggregate can do this job, the West leads by the U.S and China. thats it! not delusion or nationalistic ego can change this fact

In fact Pakistan has sent people to CAC, and CAC has made "unofficial" presentations of FC-31 project to your related parties, as the info is quite tight atm, so not much details avilable at my end`````````but from other angle, that CAC has already made an exported version of China's second type stealth jet with rough specifications, so it is very likely that "other" countries have showed great interests in this project``````

i agree its close to impossible with this kind of economy and technology we have, China is moving ahead of western countries slowly we need twin engine craft j21 is not giving us freedom like we have in JF17.

 

[jupiter2007]

What about consulting with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries on a new dual engine fighter design? It's a long shot but nothing wrong in trying.

 

[Ultima Thule]

i agree its close to impossible with this kind of economy and technology we have, China is moving ahead of western countries slowly we need twin engine craft j21 is not giving us freedom like we have in JF17.

twin engine means more maintenance and this and future era's jets will use stand off weapons so twin engine jet are useless for Pakistan but we need dedicated anti ship missile fighter jet for PN air wing @Sheikh Rauf

 

[BHarwana]

JF-17 is a modular design which is very easy to upgrade and fit better systems and this capability was kept in mind for example in future we get hold of a better RADAR just pull out the old module and fit in a new one or any other system in this regard. The excellence of Chinese engineering has been focused on this achievement. For coming future the shape of JF-17 might not change but it's capability will enhance under the hood extensively.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

twin engine means more maintenance and this and future era's jets will use stand off weapons so twin engine jet are useless for Pakistan but we need dedicated anti ship missile fighter jet for PN air wing @Sheikh Rauf

yes for now we might not need it and maintenance is high but like how india is behaving we need to have somthing goes deep in plus i believe Pakistans seabed territory is raized by 50 thousands square KMs.
defending is good but we sud also have advance attacking capability.

 

[Beast]

JF-17 is a modular design which is very easy to upgrade and fit better systems and this capability was kept in mind for example in future we get hold of a better RADAR just pull out the old module and fit in a new one or any other system in this regard. The excellence of Chinese engineering has been focused on this achievement. For coming future the shape of JF-17 might not change but it's capability will enhance under the hood extensively.

It's not as simple as u think. The compatibility and integration especially for modern combat radar and datalink.

Turkey better hands off JF-17. Without consent or agreement from either party.. No one is going to do anything.

 

[Ultima Thule]

yes for now we might not need it and maintenance is high but like how india is behaving we need to have somthing goes deep in plus i believe Pakistans seabed territory is raized by 50 thousands square KMs.
defending is good but we sud also have advance attacking capability.

Stand off cruise missiles will do same job more cheaply/effectively then the twin engine deep strike fighter jet but navy should have dedicated twin engine anti ship fighter jet that it can defend itself @Sheikh Rauf

 

[Zhukov]

Why Drag JF17 Name in every project? Its specific Pak-China Joint Fighter Project to develope the Multirole Workhorse for PAF and it did Successfully, Each block is adding to its capabilities but not its role.
We can start a new project with Turkey, Become Partner in TFX or Invite them to our Project Azm. But not JF17 project. Its already going in right Direction.
Besides, Turkey and China are not at good terms with each other so no chance of both of them in one project