'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief

[Robinhood Pandey]

Kargil was a brilliant plan , one that caught india with its pants down , Pakistan's hidden enemies came to india aid other wise india would not have been able to break free from the siege

 

[acetophenol]

No no only a fraction of it would have done the job.

Naah,even though their navy is not exaclty match for ours,PN with the help of PAF and shore based defences would've been a tough nut to crack.We would've needed to sweat real bad to bring'em down.

 

[Imran Khan]

friendly nation ???????????

countries can't be friend all is interests and benefits

 

[Levina]

Naah,even though their navy is not exaclty match for ours,PN with the help of PAF and shore based defences would've been a tough nut to crack.We would've needed to sweat real bad to bring'em down.

You had to burst my bubble???

I dont underestimate them.... definitely.

 

[Slayer786]

Would be nice to have an insight on what Kargil taught us that couldn't have been learned from '48, '62, '65 or '71?

Aray baba thats the problem with you guys. U never leran even after losing Azad Kashmir in 1948, then losing badly to China in 1962, then begging for a ceasefire in 1965 after claims from your generals that they will drink beer by evening in Lahore Gymkhana only to be humiliatingly turned back from the front.
Yup we thought that in 1971 you did good and finally learned your lesson, then again we capture kargil heights and you cry to USA, who orders our scaredycat PM to withdraw from all the peaks. Which we did except for one the highest peak 5353 which we still control and will never give back.
So get ready for more lessons in future.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Then it must be either Russia or US.
@acetophenol Why dont we consider US in the list???

If the excuse really was "the battery was running out" then it wasn't the US. The US wouldn't go blind without a replacement ready.

 

[Levina]

If the excuse really was "the battery was running out" then it wasn't the US. The US wouldn't go blind without a replacement ready.

Its Russia then.

 

[Indo-guy]

Its Russia then.

A Sanskrita Verse :

Vanani Dahati Vanhi , Sakha bhavati Martuaha
Sah ev Deep nashaya , Krusha kasthi Suarhuda !!!

Meaning : when wildfire sets whole forrest ablaze the wind becomes its friend ( in its act to spread conflagration) ....but the same wind blows out the flame of the lamp ....weaks have no friends .....!!!

 

[dray]

Aray baba thats the problem with you guys. U never leran even after losing Azad Kashmir in 1948, then losing badly to China in 1962, then begging for a ceasefire in 1965 after claims from your generals that they will drink beer by evening in Lahore Gymkhana only to be humiliatingly turned back from the front.
Yup we thought that in 1971 you did good and finally learned your lesson, then again we capture kargil heights and you cry to USA, who orders our scaredycat PM to withdraw from all the peaks. Which we did except for one the highest peak 5353 which we still control and will never give back.
So get ready for more lessons in future.

Though practice brings perfection, but it is getting boring now, I mean how many times we have to defeat you guys to make you understand that you can never win a war against us; we are in different leagues.

 

[acetophenol]

If the excuse really was "the battery was running out" then it wasn't the US. The US wouldn't go blind without a replacement ready.

How can you be so sure?What if the entire life of the satellite was coming to an end?

 

[My-Analogous]

Yeah his statement confused me too.
You might like this
Indian Navy celebrates its silent Kargil victory - India - DNA

And this
"Thirty Indian Naval ships parked themselves outside Karachi. Just 13 nautical miles from the harbour, in the contiguous waters. It did the trick. It conveyed to Pakistan what the warfare in Himalayas and diplomatic channels could not spell out. They started pulling out of Kargil."

Shit we miss the chance to burn them @ parking. Indian are world class in terms of Bullshits

 

[MiG-21]

You guys didn't get the sarcasm. He is saying that's the poor excuse they gave and backed out from helping us. Satellite's batteries don't drain out, they are recharged by their solar panels. A life of a satellite is measured by the fuel it carries for the regular orbital correction it has to do to stay in orbit. So that country gave that flimsy excuse and refused us help, probably Israel or France after pressure from the U.S to stop the satellite feed. While the country which gave us 4 year old maps, sounds like Russia milking us for more money.

Don't know why they didn't continue the story. Story after this is, IAF had to step in and flew their MiG-25s in a dash low altitude recon over the line of control crossing many times into the Pakistani side as the LOC is not a straight line afterall, while MiG-29s acted as escorts few kms on our side of the line of control. Dont know whether the MiG-25s speed was reduced to match that of the MiG-29 or several MiG-29s were deployed long the path of the MiG-25s recon run.

 

[Levina]

Shit we miss the chance to burn them @ parking.

Shows where you stand.

Indian are world class in terms of Bullshits

Naah I dont get provoked so easily.

 

[T90TankGuy]

'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief

Former chief of the army staff Gen Ved Prakash Malik, who led the Indian Army in the 1999 Kargil conflict, on Tuesday said the satellite pictures of Tololing area supplied to the army during the Kargil conflict by a "friendly country" were three-four years old while the moving pictures provided by another nation eventually faded as the battery of the satellite was "about to get over".

During a discussion on his latest book, India's Military Conflicts and Diplomacy: An Inside view of Decision Making, Malik said, "We had no satellite pictures of the battlefield area during the Kargil conflict. A friendly country provided us the pictures at Rs 35,000- Rs 36,000 per frame. We got the pictures of Tololing area but realised they were three-four year old. Another country agreed to provide us moving satellite pictures of the battlefield.. after few days, the pictures faded and we were told that the battery of the satellite was about to die. The three chiefs of the Armed Forces made all the noises and even met ISRO chief Kasturirangan apprsing him of the need for our own images. He promised that in three years we will have the satellite and he delivered."

During the 90-minute discussion, Malik emphasised on the need to record decision-making process to learn from mistakes while documenting military history of the nation. He criticised the policy-making process in the country and described it as "fractured and segmented".

Narrating the role of military as an extension of the political and diplomatic mandate, Malik said, "On June 3, 1999 air chief and I sought cabinet approval to go a few miles on the other side of Line of Control (LoC), but the request was put down." While that was the mandate during the conflict, he highlighted military lacks "peacetime aim".

"We are still following very antiquated system which is not allowing flawless decision-making process…our policies are fractured, segmented," he said.

Talking about lessons learnt from the Kargil conflict, Malik said, "There are no friends during a conflict as everybody wants to make money. We are importing 70 per cent defence equipment. How can we be a regional power? After so many years, we are yet to get our industry moving as there are mindset problems in our defence ministry…problem is import of technology. We require foreign collaboration. We are stuck at 26 per cent FDI. Our private sector has the money and capability."

Economist Vijay Kelkar also attended the event with Malik. Amongst others present were Air Marshal (retd) Bhushan Gokhale, S K Jain and Anant Sardeshmukh of MCCIA. The event was attended by senior retired officers of the Armed forces along with researchers and enthusiasts.

Link - 'Friendly nation' supplied outdated satellite images during Kargil conflict: ex-Army chief - Indian Express

The difference between ISRO and DRDO. the former delivers on time the later is always late

 

[acetophenol]

You guys didn't get the sarcasm. He is steraying that's the poor excuse they gave and backed out from helping us. Satellite's batteries don't drain out, they are recharged by their solar panels. A life of a satellite is measured by the fuel it carries for the regular orbital correction it has to do to stay in orbit. So that country gave that flimsy excuse and refused us help, probably Israel or France after pressure from the U.S to stop the satellite feed. While the country which gave us 4 year old maps, sounds like Russia milking us for more money.

Don't know why they didn't continue the story. Story after this is, IAF had to step in and flew their MiG-25s in a dash low altitude recon over the line of control crossing many times into the Pakistani side as the LOC is not a straight line afterall, while MiG-29s acted as escorts few kms on our side of the line of control. Dont know whether the MiG-25s speed was reduced to match that of the MiG-29 or several MiG-29s were deployed long the path of the MiG-25s recon run.

Satelite batterries do get drained out.Its the case with every rechargeble battery-problems with self discharge and calender fade.