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Gen Jean-Paul Paloméros, chief of staff of the French air force, is confident about the Dassault Rafale's prospects in major international competitions, and partially attributes the aircraft's previous losses in Singapore and South Korea to politics.

"I've flown in the Rafale and I know what it can do," said Paloméros, speaking to Flightglobal at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace exhibition in Malaysia late last month. "Rafale was designed since conception as a multi-role aircraft," he added.

According to Paloméros, the Rafale is well suited to handle emerging air-to-air and air-to-ground threats in the Asia-Pacific region.

"The Rafale has very high manoueverability," he said. "It will be getting an AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar and it has good weapons. It will also receive the MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile, offering extra range against any types of threats."

The AESA version of the Thales RBE2 radar will be introduced into Rafale in 2013, when French forces begin receiving the fourth block of production aircraft. The Meteor is still undergoing development, but should be deployed on the Rafale after the middle of the decade.

Paloméros is confident the Rafale will emerge triumphant in India's medium multi-role combat aircraft competition for 126 fighters, where it is on a shortlist with the Eurofighter Typhoon. Indian media reports suggest the decision is imminent, possibly before the end of 2011.

"The Indians are working on their decision," he said. "We have close contacts with India owing to the [Dassault] Mirage 2000. They are more than happy, and are upgrading these aircraft. They know French industry very well. I'm confident in this competition. They are real experts and did a great job evaluating the aircraft."

He added the Rafale is also well suited for Malaysia's 18-aircraft multi-role combat aircraft competition. A Royal Malaysian Air Force team visited France this year to conduct flight trials in the type. Paloméros said although the weather was "horrible", the visitors liked the aircraft and gained the opportunity to work with Rafale in challenging conditions.

As for the design's failure so far to win a foreign buyer, Paloméros said: "In Singapore the Rafale was in the final selection against the Boeing F-15, as was the case in South Korea's F-X I competition. The F-15 was a good choice for both countries, but its selection had a lot to do with politics as well."

He said the French air force is working hard to help pin down a Rafale sale in the United Arab Emirates, which recently stunned the defence aerospace industry by issuing a request for a proposal linked to the Eurofighter Typhoon and also spoke with Boeing and Lockheed Martin. The UAE has a long-running requirement to replace 60 Mirage 2000-9s.

"We are working very hard with the UAE. They have participated in operations over Libya alongside Rafale and they know what they want. In terms of capabilities, we are in the same room. As for negotiations, we'll see."


French air force chief confident of Rafale victory in Indian contest
 
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No one is saying that Rafale are bad fighters...
But tech may be lacking compared to its competitors..
Also, Dassault is very strict when it comes to price negotiation so it may be the factor which would have affected them in the previous competition...
 
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France Us r costlier only Rus weapons r cheaper in compare. What soever best must have to win.
 
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Our final word to the finalists should be
Rafale : Make us partner
Eurofighter : Reduce cost and make the spare part manufacturing facilities here .

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France Us r costlier only Rus weapons r cheaper in compare. What soever best must have to win.
The best multirole aircraft was F18
 
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Gen Jean-Paul Paloméros, chief of staff of the French air force, is confident about the Dassault Rafale's prospects in major international competitions, and partially attributes the aircraft's previous losses in Singapore and South Korea to politics.

What about the UAE order? Why is that stalled?? Politics too??

In terms of technology EF is definately a better deal. For the sake of national security one shouldn't be looking at the $ figure
 
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syed.

money is irrelevant in mmrca its tot and political decsion
 
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syed.

money is irrelevant in mmrca its tot and political decsion

If you want either one of two, to supply you TOT, flying training and 126 twin engine European jets, with AESA & weapons in 8-10 $billion... i'm afraid you have to wait till next Christmas.
 
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We don't want that. It has been made clear that the deal will be 15-20 billion. And we are prepared to pay it - thats what storm force meant, and you didnt seem to understand. Nobody is expecting it to be less than 15 billion now.
 
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I got an idea....

cancel:

mirage upgrades

mig 29 upgrades

mig 27 upgrades

jaguar upgrades

and use all of that money to buy more MMRCAS off the shelf and have more built more at HAL

Just an idea
 
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No one is saying that Rafale are bad fighters...
But tech may be lacking compared to its competitors..

How so?

Currently RBE 2 PESA vs Captor M puls doppler radar, passive IR MAWS vs active puls doppler MAWS, advanced recon pod vs recce lite possibly in futur.

RBE 2 AESA, ready developed, more radar modes, most likely tracks more targets, will get GaN modules earlier and even the future potential with side arrays and jamming capability is higher. The only problem it "might" have (no official confirmation of TR module number, no complains from Indian, Swiss, or Brazilan air force that directly compared it) is the size.

SPECTRA EWS, ahead of DASS when it comes to, sensor fusion, passive detection, targeting and even beeing detectable.

FSO, which is the only integrated electro optical system available and which provides clear advantages in long range visual identification, while it's IR channel might not be as good as PIRATE.


Wrt techs, the EF is only slightly ahead in terms of engine techs and HMS which is already integrated, otherwise the techs are actually behind.

What about the UAE order? Why is that stalled?? Politics too??

The UAE has understood that this is a great chance to get everything out of the French they asked for and most of it has nothing to do with Rafale itself, like more landing rights of Emirati airlines in France for example. A fighter procurement has often way more requirements than the technical terms of the air forces and that most people see. They will buy Rafale for sure, but they have no need to hurry and as long the French gets no export order, the UAE will continue to negotiate more and more and more.
 
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I got an idea....

cancel:

mirage upgrades

mig 29 upgrades

mig 27 upgrades

jaguar upgrades

and use all of that money to buy more MMRCAS off the shelf and have more built more at HAL

Just an idea

not a good idea.... the upgradation of these fighters are most important.... because these will be act as backbone of our AF for a decade....
and MMRCA complete induction will take a decade for sure
 
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