French air force chief confident of Rafale victory in Indian contest

[jha]

Washington pousse New Delhi à annuler l'appel d'offres opposant le Rafale et l'Eurofighter au profit de son F-35, de source proche d'EADS.

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[SyedF]

India's MMRCA decision will influence UAE and Brazil's buying decision.

I don't know about Brazil, but It wont effect the UAE's decision. With it's current specs, they have already said no.

The engines are insufficient and the radar is not even up to the Blk 60 that they have, so the exorbitant price tag doesn't make sense

 

[Tin Man]

the Blk 60 that they have, so the exorbitant price tag doesn't make sense

Actually, it does. Some of the technology offered to governments are tailor made to specified requirements........and their nature, usually remains classified.

 

[SyedF]

Some of the technology offered to governments are tailor made to specified requirements........and their nature, usually remains classified.

This is another reason the Rafale failed with the UAE, the customization they wanted, didn't justify the price the french gave them. It wasnt worth it. The french were being arrogant as usual because of the "Black Shaheen" issue.

IF India goes for the Rafale, it won't be because of its performance or capability

 

[Black Widow]

Bring the price and cost down, We will buy it..

 

[Storm Force]

SYED F

If IAF buys rafale it won't be because of its performance or capability

So the IAF who have tested these plabnes for 12 months.

IAF who will one day fight F16 FC20 & FLANKERS with MMRCA

the goi who will spend $20 billion

WILL IGNORE PERFORMANCE & CAPABILITY

"YEAH OK IF YOU SAY SO"

 

[SyedF]

SYED F

If IAF buys rafale it won't be because of its performance or capability

So the IAF who have tested these plabnes for 12 months.

IAF who will one day fight F16 FC20 & FLANKERS with MMRCA

the goi who will spend $20 billion

WILL IGNORE PERFORMANCE & CAPABILITY

"YEAH OK IF YOU SAY SO"

Try and understand what I'm saying instead of being blind sided by your bias, in terms of TOT, existing capability, future upgrade options, $ for $, EF is a much better deal.

Secondly, not just the Indian subcontinent but nearly everywhere across the globe, political considerations & kickbacks, outweigh logic & common sense.

 

[sancho]

The engines are insufficient and the radar is not even up to the Blk 60 that they have, so the exorbitant price tag doesn't make sense

Old claims and the ATLC exercise and the performance in Afghanistan as well as Libya showed the opposite. Since Paris Airshow even UAE officials now state that they agreed to the technical parameters offered by Dassault. The only issue left is the cost and it's a usual negotiationtactic of them to fuel the media with pointless rumors to put pressure on Dassault.

in terms of TOT, existing capability, future upgrade options, $ for $, EF is a much better deal.

Plain wrong!

- currently and the versions offered in MMRCA, Rafale is more capable than EF until we fund several upgrads
- the future potential of EF is highly dependent on funding of EF partners, but since non of them will buy the T3B and will upgrade their older version only during MLU, the future potenial is clearly limited
Also the "EF 2020", which was shown by EF consortium PR puts it capabilitywise only on the same level that the Rafale F3+ offers by the end of this year, while Dassault and French government already cleared development of a new Rafale demonstrator with reduced RCS features (airframe shapings, weapon pods, maybe cranked tailfins). Combined with possible upgrades like AESA side arrays, GaN modules, increased thrust, CFTs...and the capability to control the nEUROn UCAVs, the French show pretty clear where which direction Rafale will take in future
- EF was rejected in nearly all evaluations, because it's too costly to procure and operate. Swiss evaluation was the last that found out that Rafale is more cost-effective and even with the reduced price for India, EF turned out at least 5% more expensive than Rafale. So you clearly get a more capable fighter for less money when you pick the Rafale!

Secondly, not just the Indian subcontinent but nearly everywhere across the globe, political considerations & kickbacks, outweigh logic & common sense.

That's true though, but you claimed wrong things about performance/capability and not about political considerations isn't it? So if Rafale is chosen, it is clearly because of performance considerations, future potential, cost-effectiveness, good experience of Indian forces...while if EF will be chosen, it will be mainly because of industrial and political considerations.

 

[SyedF]

Old claims and the ATLC exercise and the performance in Afghanistan as well as Libya showed the opposite. Since Paris Airshow even UAE officials now state that they agreed to the technical parameters offered by Dassault. The only issue left is the cost and it's a usual negotiationtactic of them to fuel the media with pointless rumors to put pressure on Dassault.



Plain wrong!

- currently and the versions offered in MMRCA, Rafale is more capable than EF until we fund several upgrads
- the future potential of EF is highly dependent on funding of EF partners, but since non of them will buy the T3B and will upgrade their older version only during MLU, the future potenial is clearly limited
Also the "EF 2020", which was shown by EF consortium PR puts it capabilitywise only on the same level that the Rafale F3+ offers by the end of this year, while Dassault and French government already cleared development of a new Rafale demonstrator with reduced RCS features (airframe shapings, weapon pods, maybe cranked tailfins). Combined with possible upgrades like AESA side arrays, GaN modules, increased thrust, CFTs...and the capability to control the nEUROn UCAVs, the French show pretty clear where which direction Rafale will take in future
- EF was rejected in nearly all evaluations, because it's too costly to procure and operate. Swiss evaluation was the last that found out that Rafale is more cost-effective and even with the reduced price for India, EF turned out at least 5% more expensive than Rafale. So you clearly get a more capable fighter for less money when you pick the Rafale!




That's true though, but you claimed wrong things about performance/capability and not about political considerations isn't it? So if Rafale is chosen, it is clearly because of performance considerations, future potential, cost-effectiveness, good experience of Indian forces...while if EF will be chosen, it will be mainly because of industrial and political considerations.

I hope and pray you buy the Rafale, you deserve it!!