France starts ban on full-face veil

[Shatterpoint]

Awesome news and I for one am 200% behind the new laws, these Muslims come to our country and live off us like leaches and then try and force their **** down our throat, and then one day wake up and want to blow us up, if they don't like it then they can go back to their **** hole countries where they came from, very simple

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

you can't say it never happened,anti social elements would have been using it for smuggling,prostitution, robbery etc

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there are a few incidents which are reported, there could be many such small incidents which were not reported, there could be many more where police didn't even find out. any way commonsense says hiding face is not good for public safety, it will only give a loophole to anti social elements, so prevention is better than cure.

You tried hard to bring these news from sources never heard before but its wrong to assume that those who wear veil don't go through security checks at airport or don't keep any identification with them or police cannot ask for any identification or cannot stop them for any safety /security concerns

You don't need to hide face for prostitution which is legal in Europe and also smuggling drugs can be stop by having strong security checks at air port and sea ports. If it was easy to commit these crimes simply by using veil then every criminal would have done it againa nd again in countries like saudia arabia but again question is people can also hide explosive stuffs under their coat or jacket so should we also ban long coat or jacket for safety of public..why only hiding face is threat for public?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Awesome news and I for one am 200% behind the new laws, these Muslims come to our country and live off us like leaches and then try and force their **** down our throat, and then one day wake up and want to blow us up, if they don't like it then they can go back to their **** hole countries where they came from, very simple

I think you are drunk

Who forced religion/culture down to your throat or who forced your gf to wear veil?

white french women are free to be semi naked on streets and others are also free to dress as they wish . French is nationality and there are many french Muslims out there

yea those who cannot stand again hate and bigotry they should leave the country but people visit these countries for religious/cultural freedom in these countries because most of these countries claim to be multicultural society but some bigots like you feel insecure with diversity

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

You tried hard to bring these news from sources never heard before but its wrong to assume that those who wear veil don't go through security checks at airport or don't keep any identification with them or police cannot ask for any identification or cannot stop them for any safety /security concerns

You don't need to hide face for prostitution which is legal in Europe and also smuggling drugs can be stop by having strong security checks at air port and sea ports. If it was easy to commit these crimes simply by using veil then every criminal would have done it againa nd again in countries like saudia arabia but again question is people can also hide explosive stuffs under their coat or jacket so should we also ban long coat or jacket for safety of public..why only hiding face is threat for public?

hiding face is a threat, because it gives the anti social the advantage of anonymity, in my state there is rule which prevents using window tint for vehicles, because of the same reason.
one could ask can't the police check the vehicles but that is not practical all the time, same is the case here, police can't go behind people to check the faces, banning full face cover saves lot of work for police,and people also recognise who is who and that also helps to public safety, in case something wrong happens CCTV Cameras can be checked to identify people if their face is not covered.
now can a long coat be used to hide explosives, yes and if required that also can be banned, but it's a call which is to be made according to the threat perception,practicality, inconvenience caused to people, and wisdom of law makers, you can't argue that it's a hypocrisy that they didn't ban big coats but only face cover.

 

[sur]

Canada banned it at citizenship ceremonies... only. & I agree with it. It should be banned where-ever identification is important.

But am against banning head-scarf in France... not the face cover.

Covering face is banned in Hajj - THE MOST religious of all holy islamic rituals...

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[Audio]

equality : if a woman is free to flash her water melon in public then she should also be free to cover herself no matter if it make us nervous or uncomfortable

or you also having french sharia in France just like Taliban..the only difference may be one was forcing women to wear it while french Sharia was forcing them to take it off. It's all about denial of personal choices

Except nudity is not allowed in public, only in specially designated beach areas. You get a fine at least and probably a mandatory visit to the psychiatrist if you get caught a few times.
As for the second part....

What sort of equality? For you but you are oppressing my religion and it is not equal on my part!

You can wear small items, just like everyone else. That equality.

 

[Dubious]

You can wear small items, just like everyone else. That equality.

@Audio I wear full clothing, headscarf I am yet to meet anyone say anything to me!

 

[Audio]

@Audio I wear full clothing, headscarf I am yet to meet anyone say anything to me!

Are you representative of the French government or do you work in a gov. position in France? If not....not sure why we are having this conversation, small items and equality remark i made were in direct connection to French law.

 

[Dubious]

Are you representative of the French government or do you work in a gov. position in France? If not....not sure why we are having this conversation, small items and equality remark i made were in direct connection to French law.

@Audio I am not even talking about France...They are twisted and hypocrites! I am talking about ALL THE EU countries I have visited! France thinks behaving like this it is going to get attention...Paranoid people only behave in such a way! The rest of EU has no prob what so ever with face veil...I mean even in UK and USA they have people walking in face veil....EQUAL RIGHTS TO PRACTICE RELIGION ....THAT is freedom which the countries are proud of...Not oppressing some religion and calling themselves fathers of freedom!

If that is the case France = Mullahs of Asia

 

[ZYXW]

Are you representative of the French government or do you work in a gov. position in France? If not....not sure why we are having this conversation, small items and equality remark i made were in direct connection to French law.

Funny bc I had to represent France at my Model UN conference last year. Before that I never understood why France had this, but then when I HAD to justify it, it started making more sense. So the ideology behind it is that religion is kept to yourself.....so it's like people don't look at you as muslim, but rather as french first.....nationalism and unity...that's what I got out of it when I looked it up and could see the reasoning.

BUT....I believe in free will....no government has the right to do something like this.....the government should have no right to tell its people what they can wear and what they can't. But then again, if the french ppl want it, so be it; had this been in the US, everyone would have made sure hell breaks loose and the law is changed immediately....just my opinion!! Shorter cloths doesn't mean more freedom!

 

[QMAN]

@Audio I am not even talking about France...They are twisted and hypocrites! I am talking about ALL THE EU countries I have visited! France thinks behaving like this it is going to get attention...Paranoid people only behave in such a way! The rest of EU has no prob what so ever with face veil...I mean even in UK and USA they have people walking in face veil....EQUAL RIGHTS TO PRACTICE RELIGION ....THAT is freedom which the countries are proud of...Not oppressing some religion and calling themselves fathers of freedom!

If that is the case France = Mullahs of Asia

All EU , US , west countries have problem with Vail , they debate always . They have problem with Islam itself , it's only and most radicalized community in Europe . Islam creating many problems in Europe , German Chancellor said "Multiculturalism failed in Germany " as well as British PM.

Denmark Islamic problem is well known , Norway , Belgium all are facing problem.

Organization Like EDL born in UK only to oppose "Islam" , SIOA etc in USA .

Muslim start fighting with local community where they go create "no go areas" , hate-trade for non-Muslims.........etc

 

[Audio]

@Audio I am not even talking about France...They are twisted and hypocrites! I am talking about ALL THE EU countries I have visited! France thinks behaving like this it is going to get attention...Paranoid people only behave in such a way! The rest of EU has no prob what so ever with face veil...I mean even in UK and USA they have people walking in face veil....EQUAL RIGHTS TO PRACTICE RELIGION ....THAT is freedom which the countries are proud of...Not oppressing some religion and calling themselves fathers of freedom!

If that is the case France = Mullahs of Asia

See, here's the deal, the state has higher authority then religion. Probably one of the definitions of a secular state. And it does not matter if individuals think this takes away from their freedoms.

It is not only France, iirc Belgium already has a ban on veils, and the Nederlands gov. is considering it if they remain in power after election.

Personally, i think you are making a big deal out of it. Women can wear the scarf and display their modesty. If they cannot make a simple concession like that.....what im trying to say is, there is no relationship where one side only takes and not gives anything. No working relationship anyhow.

BUT....I believe in free will....no government has the right to do something like this.....the government should have no right to tell its people what they can wear and what they can't. But then again, if the french ppl want it, so be it; had this been in the US, everyone would have made sure hell breaks loose and the law is changed immediately....just my opinion!! Shorter cloths doesn't mean more freedom!

Look it's pretty simple, every entity has the right to choose who or what represents them. And it has freedoms of it's own. If gov. of France decides women in burqa aren't apropriate to send on UN conferences what can you do about it? Don't they have a free choice of who to send?
Besides, if any Muslim feels this encroaches on his freedom, he is free to decline the invite to whatever venue they might have sent him/her. Similarly, they would probably not have sent a person with "short cloths".

Freedom is a broad term not fully understood by many, namely most are blissfully ignorant of the fact that their freedom ends where someone else's begins. People think freedom is a one way street, a gravy train that keeps on giving. It's not.

Hope this explains it OK. I'm actually not in the mood to have a religious conversation and a mountain pile of infractions, so.....there's a good chance i wont comment on this anymore.

 

[Vinod2070]

It is a symbolic step in the right direction.

It is not against any religion, just trying to uphold the country's cultural values of dignity of women.

 

[Amaa'n]

All EU , US , west countries have problem with Vail , they debate always . They have problem with Islam itself , it's only and most radicalized community in Europe . Islam creating many problems in Europe , German Chancellor said "Multiculturalism failed in Germany " as well as British PM.

Denmark Islamic problem is well known , Norway , Belgium all are facing problem.

Organization Like EDL born in UK only to oppose "Islam" , SIOA etc in USA .

Muslim start fighting with local community where they go create "no go areas" , hate-trade for non-Muslims.........etc

Ahhh! My friend from u.k, hows the weatherup there? Mind me asking which city you from?

I cant say much about other countries, but u .k is the one i can talk about, do you know what type/kind of people are in EDL? What its the strength of this party? The party has no knowledge on any religion, so please dont bring it up here

 

[QMAN]

Ahhh! My friend from u.k, hows the weatherup there? Mind me asking which city you from?

I cant say much about other countries, but u .k is the one i can talk about, do you know what type/kind of people are in EDL? What its the strength of this pay? The party has no knowledge on any religion, so please say it here

London .


All Types of People EDL have , About Religion you should watch their leader debating.

like they use

strong Point-- Highest number of sex crime in UK done by small Muslim minority particularity child sex crime , with Huge contribution from Pakistani in recent years.