France-Egypt Plane Deal Blocked by US, Fearing Spread of Missile Tech - Expert

[Khagan1923]

Being buried alive ????

Why nobody stops this imposter ?



I read the article nothing there except Turkish airlines flying to Tel-Aviv from Istanbul....



This news looks fabricated. There is no Turkish name such as " Malek Kiyeh", i can't even guess to which nationality that name belongs to.

Some people here live in their own world my friend. No reason to talk sense to them. They will pull shit out of their *** and portray it as a fact.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

What screw-ups? All 240 F-16s that Egypt received since 1982 and associated weaponry was the result of the Camp David Accords agreement and peace with Israel. The US (along with Israel) didn't want the transfer of AMRAAMs because of 2 reasons: 1) It wouldn't keep Israel's military advantage and 2) Egypt wouldn't sign the CISMOA treaty which is an essential component to receiving weapons like the AIM-120 and JDAMs. If you want to say that not signing the treaty was an Egyptian screw-up, that's fine. They obviously had their reasons not to sign it since it gave the US certain open access to Egyptian military that Egypt wasn't comfortable with.

Operating such huge number of jets without BVR capability, which in case of war with Israel will make them flying ducks, no one will say, it was a wise decision. Why even bother with F16s at first place when Egypt knew they will not have the required punch? There are plenty Russian, European and even Chinese options available.

Not true. These cruise missiles won't be the make-or-break aspect in a war with Israel. Besides, a war with Israel is not the overriding factor to Egypt's weapon's procurement policy. Egypt is also getting lethal weapons with the MiG-35s.

Standoff weapons are now integral part of warfare, infact the first one to be deployed at the start of hostilities. They gave the overwhelming advantage. If not Israel then who? Some rag tags in Sennai ? State do not prepare on rhetoric but the capabilities around and in the region.

Well, we can appreciate that, but the likelihood of working out the issue and getting the SCALPs is much greater than the chances of integrating any other cruise missile from any other source.

Just don't put your eggs in one basket.

 

[-SINAN-]

Some people here live in their own world my friend. No reason to talk sense to them. They will pull shit out of their *** and portray it as a fact.

The problem is; he is not even Turkish but Pakistani. Yet, he continues to talk on the behalf of us.

PKk/PYD/YPG...
And, revenge for Israil induced coups of 28th Feb and 15th July are being taken...

You are absolutely making no sense.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

That's for Egyptian Business not the Egyptian military, dimwit.

Listen peice of shit, sometime this is how it works, the AID is used elsewhere to free up local resources for weapons procurement.

Again for the economy dummy, not the Military.

Egypt has a GDP of over 500 billion dollars, you seriously think we can't afford our own weapons, on the contrary it's the exact opposite. No Saudi or Gulf Money was ever donated to the Egyptian Army for the purchase of those weapons. End of story.

If you got a problem with Egypt because of Morsi's overthrow than go to an American or Israeli forum and rant about us over there, otherwise Egyptians won't tolerate idiots who abuse Islam to become Tyrants like the Muslim Brotherhood who also abuse the Palestinian situation to make Egyptians servants to corrupt idiots.

Do you think you are important that we will give a flying fk is to what is going in your country? You can take your dump next to nile and wipe you arse with leaves, we care less. You can revive you civilization or screw each other to oblivion, it will not make an iota of difference to us.

Damn this forum is being crawled by fking kids these days.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

This is real non-sense from someone pretending to come from one of the oldest civilizations..First that is controversial, since Egypt's monuments have shown to be more than 12 000 years old (let's not get into that!)..Second.. all your post revolves around envy and Jealousy .. because at the end of it it goes back to non-sense again asking Egypt to buy the Ra'ad missile from Pakistan while not thinking about integration on Egyptian systems.. and worst yet, your claim about the shiny "useless" toys that everyone is dying to have, brings up your jealousy up front to be seen clearly.... you know where you can put up your baseless paternalistic suggestions..you are trying to insult other's intelligence..

Thrust of the argument..is that Egypt is a capable nation beyond what you can imagine..And Saudi Arabia has given aid or loans to every Muslim country who needed it in dire circumstances.. Egypt was going through serious turmoil, nothing less than a revolution and a counter-revolution in few years.. Egypt has always had some of the best weapons out there.. even the F-16 already have the BVR missiles.. just not the Amraaams.. so get get you facts right before spewing ignorance ant trying to demean a very powerful nation in the ME..Did Saudi aid to Pakistan and others in Billions free up their military budgets!? Or was it to help sustain their economy?.. Read about the financing of the Pakistani nuclear program and the financing of the aftermath of the tests.. and you might get some Idea on Saudi Arabia's support when and where it is needed the most for most Muslim countries.. Egypt is no exception, as long as its economy was suffering.. now not anymore.. plus huge reserves of gas to be exported.. just this year alone Egypt has freed its economy from $3.5 billion imports of gas .. this is to pay loans (not much left.. and all long term ones) .. but gives and idea on how much Egypt can pour in in its military budget, which in reality is separated from the civilian budget and grows on its own.. I hope that you realise that the West won't give you easily everything you ask for just because you have the money to pay for it.. but in this case the 50 Scalp-EG deal has passed through..the complication came from the delivery time.. and besides that the UAE has 600 of them.. if Egypt needs some it can always get them from there..as simple as that.. the Arabs have always backed each other in war.. so no need to cry about small stuff like this.. but for sure they will be released to Egypt.. it is a matter of short time..So do not jump up and down asking to buy Ra'ad who in fact without the possibility of integration will just be a useless shiny toy in Egypt's arsenal..

Why would I pretend sunshine? I am the son of Indus. Born and bread. Nothing controversial about who is the gran daddy of all. So next time, be careful who you are trying to do you d|ck measuring contest with when it comes to civilization.


Why I would be jealous? Whats there to be jealous? How come a suggestion of negotiating with Pakistan for Raad turned into this non sense? Integration is a child play for us. As I said, if we can integrate Raad with our really old 60s and 70s Mirages, mating this system with newer airframes is no issue. Raad is fully autonomous system which only needs the aircraft to carry it within the striking range and after that, its fire and forget. Infact, you will be extremely lucky if Pakistan agrees to let you have it as this missile system form the backbone of Pakistan air force nuclear strike doctrine.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

the AID is used elsewhere to free u

Yeah... No. That's not how aid works at all.

Do you think you are important

When did I bring up how important my country is? I didn't, so I will lay the blame for this on your over active imagination.

we care less.

Who elected you Emperor of Pakistan? Also... why are you so emotional? I defended my country against a Bullshit and unfair claim while you on the other hand have spent your entire time on this thread insulting Egypt and it's people and act like I'm in the wrong?

Damn this forum is being crawled by fking kids these days.

Ah, the classic... call someone a child to attempt to demean them and avoid refuting their argument by using insults.

You keep telling yourself that every time someone actually bothers to refute your insults, I'm sure it will fix your broken ego.

 

[The SC]

Why would I pretend sunshine? I am the son of Indus. Born and bread. Nothing controversial about who is the gran daddy of all. So next time, be careful who you are trying to do you d|ck measuring contest with when it comes to civilization.


Why I would be jealous? Whats there to be jealous? How come a suggestion of negotiating with Pakistan for Raad turned into this non sense? Integration is a child play for us. As I said, if we can integrate Raad with our really old 60s and 70s Mirages, mating this system with newer airframes is no issue. Raad is fully autonomous system which only needs the aircraft to carry it within the striking range and after that, its fire and forget. Infact, you will be extremely lucky if Pakistan agrees to let you have it as this missile system form the backbone of Pakistan air force nuclear strike doctrine.

You be careful with your arrogance and apparent ignorance of history.. as well as the Ra'ad integration.. Will France allow that on the Rafale, or will the US allow that on the F-16? not talking about if Pakistan can or can not integrate it!.. do you understand this?
Don't be too arrogant again .. China, Russia, South Korea and even Greece can provide a capable cruise missile to Egypt anytime..The issue here is that Egypt has already signed the contract for the Scalp-EG and it was approved.. This is purely a Rafale thing..As far as the Ra'ad is concerned.. I hope it can be exported first of all.. due to its range, And I am sure that it might come in a package when the JF-17 will be made in Egypt or KSA..

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Why would I pretend sunshine? I am the son of Indus. Born and bread. Nothing controversial about who is the gran daddy of all. So next time, be careful who you are trying to do you d|ck measuring contest with when it comes to civilization.


Why I would be jealous? Whats there to be jealous? How come a suggestion of negotiating with Pakistan for Raad turned into this non sense? Integration is a child play for us. As I said, if we can integrate Raad with our really old 60s and 70s Mirages, mating this system with newer airframes is no issue. Raad is fully autonomous system which only needs the aircraft to carry it within the striking range and after that, its fire and forget. Infact, you will be extremely lucky if Pakistan agrees to let you have it as this missile system form the backbone of Pakistan air force nuclear strike doctrine.

Born and bread & civilization

 

[Gomig-21]

Like your mafia boss betrayal is in your gene and you're so proud of it.

The problem is; he is not even Turkish but Pakistani. Yet, he continues to talk on the behalf of us.

Seriously? This @HAKIKAT is not even Turkish and is actually Pakistani?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

You be careful with your arrogance and apparent ignorance of history.. as well as the Ra'ad integration.. Will France allow that on the Rafale, or will the US allow that on the F-16? not talking about if Pakistan can or can not integrate it!.. do you understand this?
Don't be too arrogant again .. China, Russia, South Korea and even Greece can provide a capable cruise missile to Egypt anytime..The issue here is that Egypt has already signed the contract for the Scalp-EG and it was approved.. This is purely a Rafale thing..As far as the Ra'ad is concerned.. I hope it can be exported first of all.. due to its range, And I am sure that it might come in a package when the JF-17 will be made in Egypt or KSA..

Don't talk about history, I know what I am talking about.


Obviously I don't know what kind of contract you have signed with French, but if as "customers" you have put restrictions on your self to integrate other weapon systems on jets that belongs to you, then good luck!

Honestly speaking, Pakistan needs to start exporting its weapons to states that are around Israel. A tit for tat, with Israel reckless support to India and supplying weapons to our number one enemy. Egypt can be biggest market of Pakistani weapons with this background, specially those which are not available from elsewhere.

 

[SipahSalar]

Why I would be jealous? Whats there to be jealous? How come a suggestion of negotiating with Pakistan for Raad turned into this non sense? Integration is a child play for us. As I said, if we can integrate Raad with our really old 60s and 70s Mirages, mating this system with newer airframes is no issue. Raad is fully autonomous system which only needs the aircraft to carry it within the striking range and after that, its fire and forget. Infact, you will be extremely lucky if Pakistan agrees to let you have it as this missile system form the backbone of Pakistan air force nuclear strike doctrine.

This is a good post on why there are problems integrating Ra'ad on Pakistani Planes.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/anatomy-of-the-hatf-viii-raad-air-launched-cruise-missile.436702/

The missile is too big and its likely it may not be integrated on other planes until a smaller version is made or some other design changes are made as suggested in that post.

On top of that, SCALP has certain advantages that Ra'ad does not offer. For example, it carries special munitions designed to penetrate and destroy hardened bunkers. Since Egypt plans on using SCALP for conventional roles, it certainly makes sense for them to go for SCALP missiles.

 

[-SINAN-]

Seriously? This @HAKIKAT is not even Turkish and is actually Pakistani?

Yeap and he posts everywhere on the forum like he is actually Turkish.

 

[SipahSalar]

Yeap and he posts everywhere on the forum like he is actually Turkish.

Yeah, i think he is Pakistani too. Never seen him talk in Turkish.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

This is a good post on why there are problems integrating Ra'ad on Pakistani Planes.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/anatomy-of-the-hatf-viii-raad-air-launched-cruise-missile.436702/

The missile is too big and its likely it may not be integrated on other planes until a smaller version is made or some other design changes are made as suggested in that post.

On top of that, SCALP has certain advantages that Ra'ad does not offer. For example, it carries special munitions designed to penetrate and destroy hardened bunkers. Since Egypt plans on using SCALP for conventional roles, it certainly makes sense for them to go for SCALP missiles.

That's a bogus post about Raad integration . That's all I can say.

 

[SipahSalar]

That's a bogus post about Raad integration . That's all I can say.

It doesn't become bogus by just saying so, if you have a counter point then do mention it.