France-Egypt Plane Deal Blocked by US, Fearing Spread of Missile Tech - Expert

[T-Rex]

Imagine my shock that I didn't even know I was the culprit until you mentioned it!

Like your mafia boss betrayal is in your gene and you're so proud of it. BTW, how is the rare art collection of your boss going on? The Machiavellian prince of the KSA is apparently the winner in this competition.

 

[The SC]

In Turkey, pro-Israelis are being put into prison or being buried alive, and the Muslims are in power!!! But, the opposite is occurring in Egypt!!! That's the difference...

Turkey and Israel’s deep trade ties expose the emptiness of Erdogan’s rhetoric over Jerusalem

https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/...of-erdogan-s-rhetoric-over-jerusalem-1.689532
'We love Israelis': Turkish businesses embrace normalization

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/205126

 

[Zhukov]

So welcome to Su-35 in Egyptian Airforce along with existing order of Mig35
And Su-57 in next 10 years

 

[The SC]

https://www.thenational.ae/business/us-and-saudi-6-billion-aid-pledge-boosts-egypt-s-shares-1.364636

US and Saudi $6 billion aid pledge boosts Egypt's shares



I am not interested in any other weapons but considering 6 billion is huge amount, which if not directly used to buy weapons, can help Egypt to allocate its own resources towards military procurement.

Anyway, without getting side-tracked, I do hope Egpyt get the right armaments for its jets and avoid the debacle that were the non BVR F16s it bought.

The article is dated May 22, 2011

It said:

"CAIRO // Egypt's shares rallied to a one-month high as the US and Saudi Arabia pledged a total of $6 billion (Dh22bn) in support for the North African country recovering from the aftermath of a popular uprising that ousted its president."

Where did you see aid.. those might have been loans too.. Remember the IMF loan of $12 billion not long ago.. why Saudi Arabia didn't cover that? if it was financing everything Egyptian, like some are pretending here..

Jealousy and envy are very prominent in this thread again..Egypt was one of the cradles of Human civilisation..and was always independent..That is the nation that has defeated in modern times a fully US backed Usrael on the battlefield, in the air and in the sea.. get your acts together and think before writing nonsense posts..

Saudi Arabia has helper every Muslim nation that needed help.. no one can deny it.. Heck, it even helped the Christian Haiti with $10 billion dollars when it was hit very badly with a catastrophe..

As for Morsi himself.. I had no bad feelings about him..until I saw him grabbing his crouch in public to adjust his Tes****** in his pants in front of international audience and cameras during an official visit to the white house.. anyone can google the video if he wants..Then I thought, this is no statesman and no diplomat.. I was appalled by his move.. mostly because he was educated in the US and has worked there for a while.. the higher circles governing the world are too sophisticated for gestures like that.. A few months later he was toppled..

Another example of bad behaviour was president of Venezuela Hugo Chafez (Whom I liked a bit ..until..), when in a meeting with Obama in the white house _again_, went to The latter while he was still sitting and talked to him near his ear and padded him on the shoulder before leaving the meeting at the end of it..And guess what.. a few months latter, he was diagnosed with a cancer, and after some more few month of suffering he died..

Strange things happen if one misbehaves out of the international diplomatic box!!!

So welcome to Su-35 in Egyptian Airforce along with existing order of Mig35
And Su-57 in next 10 years

Yes definitely.. 29 SU-35 _or other_ were officially announced on Egyptian television.. but they Just said SU-??.. along with the other military deals; Mig-35, KA-52.. and so on.. most people think it is the SU-35..
As for the SU-57, it is possible to sign a deal for it in the next 5 years.. to be operational by 2025.. meaning in 7 years..

 

[OldTwilight]

Not surprising. Egypt should go with Pakistan and develop technology with China.

That is the only way out. That is the only alternative choice.

Rafale is Superior in all field in competition to J-17 ....

 

[Nahid]

i think egypt should invest SU-57 rather then SU-35.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

The article is dated May 22, 2011

It said:

"CAIRO // Egypt's shares rallied to a one-month high as the US and Saudi Arabia pledged a total of $6 billion (Dh22bn) in support for the North African country recovering from the aftermath of a popular uprising that ousted its president."

Where did you see aid.. those might have been loans too.. Remember the IMF loan of $12 billion not long ago.. why Saudi Arabia didn't cover that? if it was financing everything Egyptian, like some are pretending here..

Jealousy and envy are very prominent in this thread again..Egypt was one of the cradles of Human civilisation..and was always independent..That is the nation that has defeated in modern times a fully US backed Usrael on the battlefield, in the air and in the sea.. get your acts together and think before writing nonsense posts..

Saudi Arabia has helper every Muslim nation that needed help.. no one can deny it.. Heck, it even helped the Christian Haiti with $10 billion dollars when it was hit very badly with a catastrophe..

As for Morsi himself.. I had no bad feelings about him..until I saw him grabbing his crouch in public to adjust his Tes****** in his pants in front of international audience and cameras during an official visit to the white house.. anyone can google the video if he wants..Then I thought, this is no statesman and no diplomat.. I was appalled by his move.. mostly because he was educated in the US and has worked there for a while.. the higher circles governing the world are too sophisticated for gestures like that.. A few months later he was toppled..

Another example of bad behaviour was president of Venezuela Hugo Chafez (Whom I liked a bit ..until..), when in a meeting with Obama in the white house _again_, went to The latter while he was still sitting and talked to him near his ear and padded him on the shoulder before leaving the meeting at the end of it..And guess what.. a few months latter, he was diagnosed with a cancer, and after some more few month of suffering he died..

Strange things happen if one misbehaves out of the international diplomatic box!!!


Yes definitely.. 29 SU-35 _or other_ were officially announced on Egyptian television.. but they Just said SU-??,, along with the other military deals; Mig-35, KA-52.. and so on.. most people think it is the SU-35..
As for the SU-57, it is possible to sign a deal for it in the next 5 years.. to be operational by 2025.. meaning in 7 years..

http://www.africanews.com/2016/08/18/egypt-secures-2bn-saudi-aid-minister//

Egypt secures $2bn Saudi aid - Minister


18/08/2016


Would this do?


Point is, the Saudi money, if not directly used for weapon purchase will free Egypt own resources to buy the weapons it needs.


As for your jealously and envy non sense, I can assure you, and speaking behalf of Pakistanis only, NO ONE give a sh|t about you having your own civilization. You know why, because its maybe important to other nations or races but not for us. Because we, the people of Indus have our own civilization, infact the world first, we are elite when it comes to civilizations. So don't bring this non sense infront of us please.

Thrust of the argument was that there is a history of screw ups when it comes to Egypt buying weapons and not getting the right armament along with it. And this particular missile deal going belly up is yet another such case. Your shinny toys will be of no use if they are not equipped with right weapons systems specially against Israel. That's why people are suggesting that Egypt needs to start negotiating with Pakistan for its Raad standoff weapon system. Its purely rational advice, no need to lose your marbles over it.

 

[The SC]

http://www.africanews.com/2016/08/18/egypt-secures-2bn-saudi-aid-minister//

Egypt secures $2bn Saudi aid - Minister


18/08/2016


Would this do?


Point is, the Saudi money, if not directly used for weapon purchase will free Egypt own resources to buy the weapons it needs.


As for your jealously and envy non sense, I can assure you, and speaking behalf of Pakistanis only, NO ONE give a sh|t about you having your own civilization. You know why, because its maybe important to other nations or races but not for us. Because we, the people of Indus have our own civilization, infact the world first, we are elite when it comes to civilizations. So don't bring this non sense infront of us please.

Thrust of the argument was that there is a history of screw ups when it comes to Egypt buying weapons and not getting the right armament along with it. And this particular missile deal going belly up is yet another such case. Your shinny toys will be of no use if they are not equipped with right weapons systems specially against Israel. That's why people are suggesting that Egypt needs to start negotiating with Pakistan for its Raad standoff weapon system. Its purely rational advice, no need to lose your marbles over it.

This is real non-sense from someone pretending to come from one of the oldest civilizations..First that is controversial, since Egypt's monuments have shown to be more than 12 000 years old (let's not get into that!)..Second.. all your post revolves around envy and Jealousy .. because at the end of it it goes back to non-sense again asking Egypt to buy the Ra'ad missile from Pakistan while not thinking about integration on Egyptian systems.. and worst yet, your claim about the shiny "useless" toys that everyone is dying to have, brings up your jealousy up front to be seen clearly.... you know where you can put up your baseless paternalistic suggestions..you are trying to insult other's intelligence..

Thrust of the argument..is that Egypt is a capable nation beyond what you can imagine..And Saudi Arabia has given aid or loans to every Muslim country who needed it in dire circumstances.. Egypt was going through serious turmoil, nothing less than a revolution and a counter-revolution in few years.. Egypt has always had some of the best weapons out there.. even the F-16 already have the BVR missiles.. just not the Amraaams.. so get get you facts right before spewing ignorance ant trying to demean a very powerful nation in the ME..Did Saudi aid to Pakistan and others in Billions free up their military budgets!? Or was it to help sustain their economy?.. Read about the financing of the Pakistani nuclear program and the financing of the aftermath of the tests.. and you might get some Idea on Saudi Arabia's support when and where it is needed the most for most Muslim countries.. Egypt is no exception, as long as its economy was suffering.. now not anymore.. plus huge reserves of gas to be exported.. just this year alone Egypt has freed its economy from $3.5 billion imports of gas .. this is to pay loans (not much left.. and all long term ones) .. but gives and idea on how much Egypt can pour in in its military budget, which in reality is separated from the civilian budget and grows on its own.. I hope that you realise that the West won't give you easily everything you ask for just because you have the money to pay for it.. but in this case the 50 Scalp-EG deal has passed through..the complication came from the delivery time.. and besides that the UAE has 600 of them.. if Egypt needs some it can always get them from there..as simple as that.. the Arabs have always backed each other in war.. so no need to cry about small stuff like this.. but for sure they will be released to Egypt.. it is a matter of short time..So do not jump up and down asking to buy Ra'ad who in fact without the possibility of integration will just be a useless shiny toy in Egypt's arsenal..

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Who pays the piper calls the shots.

The U.S is holding it's part of the bargain to us to recognize Israel and hold Relations with Israel as per the camp David agreement . They aren't "paying us" they are holding their part of the bargain, 30 years later and people think America is doing this out of the kindness of it's heart... it isn't.

US and Saudi $6 billion aid pledge boosts Egypt's shares

That's for Egyptian Business not the Egyptian military, dimwit.

Egypt secures $2bn Saudi aid - Minister

Again for the economy dummy, not the Military.

Egypt has a GDP of over 500 billion dollars, you seriously think we can't afford our own weapons, on the contrary it's the exact opposite. No Saudi or Gulf Money was ever donated to the Egyptian Army for the purchase of those weapons. End of story.

If you got a problem with Egypt because of Morsi's overthrow than go to an American or Israeli forum and rant about us over there, otherwise Egyptians won't tolerate idiots who abuse Islam to become Tyrants like the Muslim Brotherhood who also abuse the Palestinian situation to make Egyptians servants to corrupt idiots.

 

[The SC]

i think egypt should invest SU-57 rather then SU-35.

That is a possibility.. because the official Egyptian TV station just said SU-XX and did not mention which SU it is..Apart from being announced with the other military deals where the names are clearly shown..So, 29 SU-57 (or a combination with SU-35s) might be a possibility..because if Egypt has to wait 5 years for SU-35 to be delivered.. why not wait a year or 2 more for the SU-57 and the price is not that high..since a $110 million will get you a fully equipped SU-57 with spare parts, weapons and training _still much less expansive than a Typhoon with a basic price of $120 million_.. (SU-35S is around $60 million off the shelf with basic configuration)

 

[Indus Pakistan]

America is doing this out of the kindness of it's heart

Where did I say that?

 

[Gomig-21]

Point is, the Saudi money, if not directly used for weapon purchase will free Egypt own resources to buy the weapons it needs.

In a sense there is some truth to that, I would agree with you but it's not substantial. The Saudi money was provided during a time where economic chaos was happening in Egypt, post revolution, and the major problem was Egypt's foreign reserves had dropped to just over $10 billion. With such a pathetically low number, what happens then is your central bank cannot operate on credit and the economy freezes. The next step that Sisi needed to do was to secure a $10 billion loan from the IMF and in order to get that loan approved, there needed to be a back-up (some sort of collateral) and that was where the Saudi money came in and helped considerably. Now the foreign reserves are up to $37 billion and growing and economic growth is at 4.6% which is incredible considering what Egypt was facing.

Thrust of the argument was that there is a history of screw ups when it comes to Egypt buying weapons and not getting the right armament along with it.

What screw-ups? All 240 F-16s that Egypt received since 1982 and associated weaponry was the result of the Camp David Accords agreement and peace with Israel. The US (along with Israel) didn't want the transfer of AMRAAMs because of 2 reasons: 1) It wouldn't keep Israel's military advantage and 2) Egypt wouldn't sign the CISMOA treaty which is an essential component to receiving weapons like the AIM-120 and JDAMs. If you want to say that not signing the treaty was an Egyptian screw-up, that's fine. They obviously had their reasons not to sign it since it gave the US certain open access to Egyptian military that Egypt wasn't comfortable with.

And this particular missile deal going belly up is yet another such case.

We don't know if it's gone belly up yet. It could get resolved and the onus is on France, not Egypt, since the contract is signed and they need to deliver in order to honor it. Plus this is one weapon aspect in the cruise missiles. The MICA AMRAAMs are all set and delivered so are the PGMs and pods. Hopefully the Meteor will follow when it's ready.

Your shinny toys will be of no use if they are not equipped with right weapons systems specially against Israel.

Not true. These cruise missiles won't be the make-or-break aspect in a war with Israel. Besides, a war with Israel is not the overriding factor to Egypt's weapon's procurement policy. Egypt is also getting lethal weapons with the MiG-35s.

That's why people are suggesting that Egypt needs to start negotiating with Pakistan for its Raad standoff weapon system. Its purely rational advice.

Well, we can appreciate that, but the likelihood of working out the issue and getting the SCALPs is much greater than the chances of integrating any other cruise missile from any other source.

 

[MBT 3000]

Well Egypt is ruled by zionist puppet

 

[-SINAN-]

In Turkey, pro-Israelis are being put into prison or being buried alive

Being buried alive ????

Why nobody stops this imposter ?

Turkey and Israel’s deep trade ties expose the emptiness of Erdogan’s rhetoric over Jerusalem

https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/...of-erdogan-s-rhetoric-over-jerusalem-1.689532

I read the article nothing there except Turkish airlines flying to Tel-Aviv from Istanbul....

'We love Israelis': Turkish businesses embrace normalization

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/205126

This news looks fabricated. There is no Turkish name such as " Malek Kiyeh", i can't even guess to which nationality that name belongs to.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Being buried alive ????

Why nobody stops this imposter ?



I read the article nothing there except Turkish airlines flying to Tel-Aviv from Istanbul....



This news looks fabricated. There is no Turkish name such as " Malek Kiyeh", i can't even guess to which nationality that name belongs to.

PKk/PYD/YPG...
And, revenge for Israil induced coups of 28th Feb and 15th July are being taken...