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Hahaha, Pakistan's nukes would do a lot more than just set Hindustan back by 2 decades. Hindustan would be crippled beyond your wildest dreams.

If Hindustan was so able to crush Pakistan, it would have done so numerous times, such as in 2009. Instead, it ran like a mouse once Pakistan proved prepared. Even in 1971, Hindustan couldn't cripple western Pakistan. It could only defeat eastern Pakistan which was outnumbered more than 10 times over and mauled by a bloody civil war. Even then, Hindustan suffered higher casualties.

If Pakistan is a tumour, Hindustan is a rat. The rat acts all tough, but when confronted it runs back into its hiding place, only able to beat enemies which are already crippled.



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And when Pakistan will be preparing to launch Nuclear attack.. Indian defense forces will be eating Cole Bhature and farting... right...
In case of war.. the so called Secure Nuclear launch points will be the first target... Indian satellites are watching every inch of Pakistani soil these days.
 
And when Pakistan will be preparing to launch Nuclear attack.. Indian defense forces will be eating Cole Bhature and farting... right...
In case of war.. the so called Secure Nuclear launch points will be the first target... Indian satellites are watching every inch of Pakistani soil these days.
Hahaha

You actually think Hindustan can stop a nuclear attack? LOL what are you smoking?

You can watch all day, but that's all you can do. Watch. We've seen how capable you guys currently are, how you threaten to start a war but then cower down when we prove prepared.

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Hahaha

You actually think Hindustan can stop a nuclear attack? LOL what are you smoking?

You can watch all day, but that's all you can do. Watch. We've seen how capable you guys currently are, how you threaten to start a war but then cower down when we prove prepared.

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We can pre-empt it ... and nuke Pakistan in advance.. can Pakistan stop India form doing that... Answer is "NO"
 
We can pre-empt it ... and nuke Pakistan in advance.. can Pakistan stop India form doing that... Answer is "NO"
And then we will nuke you... see how this works? Our nukes can hit Hindustan in minutes.

Oh and we can always get satellite intel from China.
 
And then we will nuke you... see how this works? Our nukes can hit Hindustan in minutes.

Oh and we can always get satellite intel from China.
Exactly.. thats how it goes... so stop threatening NUKU NUKU... because both sides have in scores.. and India needs to kill only 200 Millions..unlike Pakistan that needs to target 1.25 Billion for total annihilation.

As if China gave information to you guys before this .. they don't even share weather data with you.
 
pakistan is like a nuclear suicide bomber, china is not, India can finish up pakistan for once and all, but suicidal nuclear bombing wil not only finish up pakistan tumor but also
set India back by atleast 2 decades.

2 decades are you kidding me. If Pakistan no longer exists as you put it, which I don't see India ever achieving it will take India with it.
 
Exactly.. thats how it goes... so stop threatening NUKU NUKU... because both sides have in scores.. and India needs to kill only 200 Millions..unlike Pakistan that needs to target 1.25 Billion for total annihilation.

As if China gave information to you guys before this .. they don't even share weather data with you.
We will keep threatening with nukes until Hindustan stops threatening us with wars.

A nuclear war between Hindustan and Pakistan can kill well over a billion people due to after effects. Anyway, Hindustan doesn't have the arsenal to wipe out Pakistan's population immediately through just firing missiles as you suggest, and vice versa. Hindustan and Pakistan are both too big and too populated for either side to become history. However, both countries would be crippled from a nuclear war as well as surrounding nations. Nukes just need to get rid of infrastructure to cripple a country, not the people.
 
Indian staff incompetence was clear. Though Indian tanks penetrated deep into the Sialkot salient, Chawinda could have been taken as well. Chances were missed. Pakistan's brass was equally if not more incompetent - which was why PA could not exploit some advantages. Rushing Pattons into a swampland is just plain suicide.
Post war, India reformed the officer corps from scratch - Manekshaw, Jacobs, Arora etc came into the forefront - climbing several posts of seniority. They were tactical and operational geniuses.
It was a midnight/ unexpected assault on Sialkot by Indians, now we call it (Sialkot) the graveyard of indian tanks.
Thanks for accepting the IA weaknesses in communication, in contrary Pak Army leadership was well communicated and organized, for that reason they were able to defend the motherland.
 
It was a midnight/ unexpected assault on Sialkot by Indians, now we call it (Sialkot) the graveyard of indian tanks.
Thanks for accepting the IA weaknesses in communication, in contrary Pak Army leadership was well communicated and organized, for that reason they were able to defend the motherland.
I would not say that. Very few tanks were lost in the organized pull back from Chawinda.'

It is stupid to attack without an element of surprise. Midnight assault/unexpected assaults show PA's lack of recon and tactical intel. It was PA's fault that they were unprepared.

PA leadership was ridiculous. Otherwise the superior PAF would have removed both the backdated Centurions on the ground and the IAF from the skies. Even in the end, in sqkm terms India continued to hold roughly 3 times the land Pakistan did. In spite of the fact that PA initiated hostilities (had the initiative).
 
I would not say that. Very few tanks were lost in the organized pull back from Chawinda.'

It is stupid to attack without an element of surprise. Midnight assault/unexpected assaults show PA's lack of recon and tactical intel. It was PA's fault that they were unprepared.

PA leadership was ridiculous. Otherwise the superior PAF would have removed both the backdated Centurions on the ground and the IAF from the skies. Even in the end, in sqkm terms India continued to hold roughly 3 times the land Pakistan did. In spite of the fact that PA initiated hostilities (had the initiative).

Unexpected does not mean PA was not prepared, why Indians pull backed? Because PA was well prepared and courageously encounter the enemy attack, unlike indian unorganized attacks which lacked proper planning, lack of intelligence and communication as you earlier agreed in your post.
as far as PAF concern its role was valorous and internationally recognized at world forum during 1965 war.

Details below is from Indian source, I can quote other international sources but this whole discussion is going to off topics . Try to understand the PAF abilities at that time, though I disagree with several statements against PAF in indian version.
Military & Aerospace
By Air Vice Marshal AK Tiwary
Issue Vol 22.1 Jan - Mar 2007 | Date : 24 Jul , 2015


PAF seemed to have better intelligence of our deployments, and redeployments. They also seemed to know, the time of our aircraft getting airborne from various bases. This enabled the numerically inferior PAF to utilise its resources far better. In our case, lack of accurate intelligence entailed flying that many more sorties for similar effect. There were instances of attack on airfields devoid of PAF deployment resulting in wastage of strike potential. PAF’s humane intelligence capability was ..
On the eve of 1965 war, IAF had 466 combat aircraft against 203 of the PAF.2 PAF had 16 aircraft in East Pakistan and the rest in West. Against this IAF had deployed 176 aircraft in the East to take care of the Chinese and East Pakistani threat. Thus, IAF had 290 aircraft facing West Pakistan. Numerically this gave IAF a superiority of 1.4:1 against PAF in the West and 11:1 in the East.
On 6th Sept PAF launched pre-emptive attack against four IAF air bases and three radar stations, i.e. Pathankot, Adhampur, Halwara, Jamnagar airfields and radar stations at Amritsar, Firozpur and Jamnagar. PAF’s attack over Pathankot met with great success. PAF claimed to have destroyed 7 MiG-21s, 5 Mysteres, and 2 Packet transport aircraft. IAF admitted to losing 2 MiG-21s, 6 Mysteres, 1 Packet, 1 Gnat as destroyed and damage to 2 Gnats and 1 Mystere.
These aircraft were destroyed because they were not sufficiently dispersed and camouflaged. Some of them had just landed back after operational sorties and were being refuelled.

One may like to explain it away as an unkind hand of fate. In the East, PAF attacked Kalaikunda air base. PAF claimed destroying 14 Canberra, 1 x Packet and damage to 4 Canberra and 3 Hunters.3 IAF admitted loss of 4 Canberra and 4 Vampires. This happened because Kalaikunda did
did not have any dispersal facilities.
On the morning of 7 Sept, having absorbed the PAF pre-emptive the previous day, IAF launched a total of 33 sorties spread over ten hours for this all important battle of air superiority! George K Tanham observed, “Given the importance of the target (Sargodha) the careful planning and practice, and approximately 300 aircraft available to the IAF, this attack was surprisingly small and lightly pressed.”4 The 1.4:1 superiority of the IAF in the West in fact was
was surprisingly small and lightly pressed.”4 The 1.4:1 superiority of the IAF in the West in fact was further diluted because the PAF aircraft had greater fighting capability.

This was true, especially because of its Sidewinder missile capability of Sabres and Star fighters. Though, it was known that only 25 percent Sabres were missile capable, but to every IAF pilot who would have seen a Sabre in air, it would have been prudent to consider it Sidewinder capable.
On the Indian side MiG-21s (T–74) had recently been inducted and were not yet night capable for interception. Night flying of Gnat aircraft was limited due to poor cockpit lighting. The night fighter Vampires were already obsolete. Therefore, for all practical purposes, both the air forces having gone at each other on 6th and 7th Sept, gave up any further fighter effort as they had suffered unsustainable attrition.8
The exception being a four Mystere fighters strike over Pasroor on 12 Sept by the IAF.9 During the limited air superiority battle IAF suffered an attrition rate of 20 percent whereas PAF suffered 12.5 percent attrition.10
 
Unexpected does not mean PA was not prepared, why Indians pull backed? Because PA was well prepared and courageously encounter the enemy attack, unlike indian unorganized attacks which lacked proper planning, lack of intelligence and communication as you earlier agreed in your post.
as far as PAF concern its role was valorous and internationally recognized at world forum during 1965 war.

Details below is from Indian source, I can quote other international sources but this whole discussion is going to off topics . Try to understand the PAF abilities at that time, though I disagree with several statements against PAF in indian version.
Military & Aerospace
By Air Vice Marshal AK Tiwary
Issue Vol 22.1 Jan - Mar 2007 | Date : 24 Jul , 2015


PAF seemed to have better intelligence of our deployments, and redeployments. They also seemed to know, the time of our aircraft getting airborne from various bases. This enabled the numerically inferior PAF to utilise its resources far better. In our case, lack of accurate intelligence entailed flying that many more sorties for similar effect. There were instances of attack on airfields devoid of PAF deployment resulting in wastage of strike potential. PAF’s humane intelligence capability was ..
On the eve of 1965 war, IAF had 466 combat aircraft against 203 of the PAF.2 PAF had 16 aircraft in East Pakistan and the rest in West. Against this IAF had deployed 176 aircraft in the East to take care of the Chinese and East Pakistani threat. Thus, IAF had 290 aircraft facing West Pakistan. Numerically this gave IAF a superiority of 1.4:1 against PAF in the West and 11:1 in the East.
On 6th Sept PAF launched pre-emptive attack against four IAF air bases and three radar stations, i.e. Pathankot, Adhampur, Halwara, Jamnagar airfields and radar stations at Amritsar, Firozpur and Jamnagar. PAF’s attack over Pathankot met with great success. PAF claimed to have destroyed 7 MiG-21s, 5 Mysteres, and 2 Packet transport aircraft. IAF admitted to losing 2 MiG-21s, 6 Mysteres, 1 Packet, 1 Gnat as destroyed and damage to 2 Gnats and 1 Mystere.
These aircraft were destroyed because they were not sufficiently dispersed and camouflaged. Some of them had just landed back after operational sorties and were being refuelled.

One may like to explain it away as an unkind hand of fate. In the East, PAF attacked Kalaikunda air base. PAF claimed destroying 14 Canberra, 1 x Packet and damage to 4 Canberra and 3 Hunters.3 IAF admitted loss of 4 Canberra and 4 Vampires. This happened because Kalaikunda did
did not have any dispersal facilities.
On the morning of 7 Sept, having absorbed the PAF pre-emptive the previous day, IAF launched a total of 33 sorties spread over ten hours for this all important battle of air superiority! George K Tanham observed, “Given the importance of the target (Sargodha) the careful planning and practice, and approximately 300 aircraft available to the IAF, this attack was surprisingly small and lightly pressed.”4 The 1.4:1 superiority of the IAF in the West in fact was
was surprisingly small and lightly pressed.”4 The 1.4:1 superiority of the IAF in the West in fact was further diluted because the PAF aircraft had greater fighting capability.

This was true, especially because of its Sidewinder missile capability of Sabres and Star fighters. Though, it was known that only 25 percent Sabres were missile capable, but to every IAF pilot who would have seen a Sabre in air, it would have been prudent to consider it Sidewinder capable.
On the Indian side MiG-21s (T–74) had recently been inducted and were not yet night capable for interception. Night flying of Gnat aircraft was limited due to poor cockpit lighting. The night fighter Vampires were already obsolete. Therefore, for all practical purposes, both the air forces having gone at each other on 6th and 7th Sept, gave up any further fighter effort as they had suffered unsustainable attrition.8
The exception being a four Mystere fighters strike over Pasroor on 12 Sept by the IAF.9 During the limited air superiority battle IAF suffered an attrition rate of 20 percent whereas PAF suffered 12.5 percent attrition.10
All of this is recorded.

I suggest you read more about the critical accounts of the PA deployments.

For example, the Indians did not withdraw en masse from Chawinda because of heavy losses. It was because the end of war was near and de-escalation was a necessary pre-requisite.

The Indian mistake was the IA waited too long to mount an attack. After the successful battle of Phillora, IA waited for a full week to bring its forces to the line. This was a big mistake and a very cautious way of approaching a threat. The PA made similar mistakes in Akhnoor. But they did not even gain much territory in that sector - thanks to the river and stiffening Indian resistance.
 
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