Former Indian Pilot Reveals IAF Casualties in 1971 War !

[Windjammer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600016533425733632

According to this former IAF Wing Commander, 35/36 IAF pilots were lost during the 1971 war. Some may have been killed by local civilians, sadly this is also a possibility as emotions run high during wars between arch enemies.
The point here is that IAF admitted losing only some 40 aircraft during the conflict. Now we have a confirmation most likely under reported that 35 or more pilots were lost.
Below is an image also related to the 1971 war. It shows some 24 Sikh pilots of IAF in one POW camp alone. Now add to this Hindu, Muslims and Christian pilots who also fought for the IAF and a number would also have been shot down and kept POW in other camps. Keep also in mind the fact that according to IAF records, majority of air battles took place over India, thus those IAF pilots shot down over Indian territory make another number. All in all, these numbers bare irrefutable testimony to the PAF/PA claims of shooting down over 100 Indian aircraft during the war.....what to say of Guptas gospel truth.

Pakistan, Lyalpur camp, 12 April 1972, visit to Indian prisoners of war (POWs).
"Sikh pilots, now POWs, passed their time flying kites. Camp authorities forbade this activity. An "homme de confiance", also a POW, explains the visit of Red Cross delegates, emphasizing that he hopes the ICRC can negotiate on their behalf the return of the kites."

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pak civilians are more dangerous than the Pak military - A downed IAF pilot in 1971

Ey IAF pilots, don't even think of crossing into Pak for you're down and dead before you know it! Even Bajwa can't help you this time.....

*Pak and BD aren't the same.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Only a few manoeuvres by the PLA and all boasting and bravado of the bhakts will be relegated to the pages of history. Bhakts will be no more and the writing of their history will be out of their hands. The heavy price of inheriting British imperialism.

 

[SaadH]

Only a few manoeuvres by the PLA and all boasting and bravado of the bhakts will be relegated to the pages of history. Bhakts will be no more and the writing of their history will be out of their hands. The heavy price of inheriting British imperialism.

Pakistan's sepoy army is a much bigger inheritor of British imperialism. It lost 2/3 of its jugular vein to Indian army and later half of the country to the same nemesis. Failed to decisively defeat the Indians in any major battles and allowed India to carry out high intensity terrorist attacks throughout its territory for the past three decades with impunity.

Indians were able to carve out an independent fighting force from the colonial Army that is answerable only to elected Indian representatives, whereas Pakistan Army only takes orders from Centcom and the pentagon and especially when those orders go against the interests of Pakistan and its people.

 

[undercover JIX]

Bhagats will issue death threats and burn this desh drohi alive....how dare he speak the truth.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Pakistan's sepoy army is a much bigger inheritors of British imperialism. It lost 2/3 of its jugular vein to Indian army and later half of the country to the same nemesis. Failed to decisively defeat the Indians in any major battles and allowed India to carry out high intensity terrorist attacks throughout its territory for the past three decades with impunity.

Indians were able to carve out an independent fighting force from the colonial Army that is answerable only to elected Indian representatives, whereas Pakistan Army only takes orders from Centcom and the pentagon and especially when those orders go against the interests of Pakistan and its people.

Be sure to tell that to the PLA when they come knocking. Pakistan's borders are intact so argue tactical wins on technicality as much as your hearts content. When the PLA manoeuvres against you then you will see how unified your nation is. A nation whom the vast bulk of territory you annexed in collusion with the british (20 princely states declared they did not wish to join GoI in 1947) and now your obsession with annexing the last of those states is coming to bite you and you know full well it's a fight you can't win.

The only thing that lets you sleep at night is winning wars against Pakistan but regardless of your military history won't change the fact that you don't have the manufacturing infrastructure to take on china. Only a few manoeuvres by the PLA is all that it will take for internal splinter factions to fragment your nation and it won't be the first time in history your nation has been divided into smaller states. The Naxalites being the strongest we may very well see the capital of India being moved to Calcutta once again.


But carry on boasting about the Indian army, carry on boasting about your wins against Pakistan. Pakistan will still be here but bharatvarsh will not. When bharatvarsh is relegated to the pages of history then mark my words you won't be on here.

 

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

Indian inheritance of British imperialism in action in Myanmar:

Parallels of 1971. Let's not forget parallels of 1971 by backing the Tamil tigers in Sri Lanka to displace it's govt. Let's not forget annexing Sikkim in 1973. Backing of the napali royal family. Hallmarks of British imperialism. The annexation of all princely states was done in co operation of British army officers. A nation hanging by a shoestring. Oh, and recently 8 Indian intelligence officers apprehended by qatari security forces. But bhakts PROUDLY BOAST of carrying out terrorism against it's enemies whilst at the same time saying it's enemies are imperialist - cognitive dissonance at it's finest.


One thing I've observed is when you point out X y z about Indian armed forces strait away bhakts come and say X y z against Pakistan regardless of the nationality of the individual giving criticism against india - to further highlight my position here is US navy surface warfare officer Tom Baillie pointing how garbage Indian navy is:

US Naval Officer spent 5 days onboard an Indian Navy warship, INS Delhi

Here is an interesting AMA from a US Naval Officer who spent 5 days on Indian Navy warship, INS Delhi. AMA means AskMeAnything where a person is asked questions which he answers. IAmA US Naval Officer who spent 5 days onboard an Indian Navy warship, INS Delhi. AMA. : IAmA I am posting...

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Same thing bhakts come an accuse him of actually being Pakistani. He has a linkedin profile. Bhakts obsession with Pakistan will cost them their nation. Countless threads all over PDF and social media similar.

PLA will be marching to Delhi and the only thing pathetic bhakts will be doing to make themselves feel better is crywanking themselves over reliving battles won against Pakistan. I'm not Pakistani.

 

[VkdIndian]

It shows some 24 Sikh pilots of IAF in one POW camp alone.

What a joker this guy Windy is?
24 SIKH pilots within one camp?

Sikhs constitute less than 2% of the population. But they contribute bigger numbers to the defence forces. Even if we consider 10% of pilots being Sikhs, 24 Sikhs in one camp would mean total 240 pilots would have been captured. There is no reason to believe that the numbers are not likely to be in proportion.

Even if the numbers are reduced to 200 presuming that even higher percentage of Sikhs were shot down, you see what OP is taking about.

Windy, kuch to dekh liya kar thread kholne ke pehle?

 

[Zarvan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600016533425733632

According to this former IAF Wing Commander, 35/36 IAF pilots were lost during the 1971 war. Some may have been killed by local civilians, sadly this is also a possibility as emotions run high during wars between arch enemies.
The point here is that IAF admitted losing only some 40 aircraft during the conflict. Now we have a confirmation most likely under reported that 35 or more pilots were lost.
Below is an image also related to the 1971 war. It shows some 24 Sikh pilots of IAF in one POW camp alone. Now add to this Hindu, Muslims and Christian pilots who also fought for the IAF and a number would also have been shot down and kept POW in other camps. Keep also in mind the fact that according to IAF records, majority of air battles took place over India, thus those IAF pilots shot down over Indian territory make another number. All in all, these numbers bare irrefutable testimony to the PAF/PA claims of shooting down over 100 Indian aircraft during the war.....what to say of Guptas gospel truth.

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Pakistan, Lyalpur camp, 12 April 1972, visit to Indian prisoners of war (POWs).
"Sikh pilots, now POWs, passed their time flying kites. Camp authorities forbade this activity. An "homme de confiance", also a POW, explains the visit of Red Cross delegates, emphasizing that he hopes the ICRC can negotiate on their behalf the return of the kites."

I think it's not a very high number. The number should have been really high. This is not a good number, and I won't call it victory.

 

[ayesha.a]

What a joker this guy Windy is?
24 SIKH pilots within one camp?

Sikhs constitute less than 2% of the population. But they contribute bigger numbers to the defence forces. Even if we consider 10% of pilots being Sikhs, 24 Sikhs in one camp would mean total 240 pilots would have been captured. There is no reason to believe that the numbers are not likely to be in proportion.

Even if the numbers are reduced to 200 presuming that even higher percentage of Sikhs were shot down, you see what OP is taking about.

Windy, kuch to dekh liya kar thread kholne ke pehle?

Perhaps he does not know that the IAF does not have caste or region based regiments like the IA does.
@Windjammer : It is highly unlikely to find 24 Sikh pilots together like that.

 

[VkdIndian]

@Windjammer : It is highly unlikely to find 24 Sikh pilots together like that

Just wait and see. He will trash your observation with a superior (ill)logic.

Not his fault. Anyone with jammed wind would do the same.

 

[DabbuSardar]

What a joker this guy Windy is?
24 SIKH pilots within one camp?

Only famous sikh airforce guy I ever knew was-

During the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, he was serving with the No.18 Squadron, "The Flying Bullets" of IAF, flying the Folland Gnat fighter aircraft based at Srinagar. On 14 Decembers 1971, Srinagar airfield was attacked by six Pakistan Air Force F-86 jets of 26 Squadron from PAF Base Peshawar. Flying Officer Sekhon was on readiness duty at that time. As soon as the first aircraft attacked, Sekhon rolled for take-off as No 2 in a two-Gnat formation, with Flt. Lt. Ghumman in lead, just as the first bombs were falling on the runway. Only delayed due to dust kicked up by the preceding Gnat, Sekhon lost no time in singling out the first Sabre pair, which was re-forming after the bombing run. The Gnat Leader, Flt. Lt. Ghumman lost visual with his wingman just after take-off, remained out of the fight leaving Sekhon to handle the muddle all by himself. In the ensuing air battle, Sekhon scored a direct hit on one Sabre and set another ablaze.


Btw, the only authority on iaf vs paf during 1971 can be a third entity, its called BAF(formerly PAF, renamed due to copyright reasons).

 

[Areesh]

Only famous sikh airforce guy I ever knew was-

During the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, he was serving with the No.18 Squadron, "The Flying Bullets" of IAF, flying the Folland Gnat fighter aircraft based at Srinagar. On 14 Decembers 1971, Srinagar airfield was attacked by six Pakistan Air Force F-86 jets of 26 Squadron from PAF Base Peshawar. Flying Officer Sekhon was on readiness duty at that time. As soon as the first aircraft attacked, Sekhon rolled for take-off as No 2 in a two-Gnat formation, with Flt. Lt. Ghumman in lead, just as the first bombs were falling on the runway. Only delayed due to dust kicked up by the preceding Gnat, Sekhon lost no time in singling out the first Sabre pair, which was re-forming after the bombing run. The Gnat Leader, Flt. Lt. Ghumman lost visual with his wingman just after take-off, remained out of the fight leaving Sekhon to handle the muddle all by himself. In the ensuing air battle, Sekhon scored a direct hit on one Sabre and set another ablaze.


Btw, the only authority on iaf vs paf during 1971 can be a third entity, its called BAF(formerly PAF, renamed due to copyright reasons).

That was another lie by IAF by the way. Just like the lie that Abhinandan shot down F16 with his Mig 21

No PAF Sabre was hit or even damaged by poor Sekhon who was left alone by his leader

 

[Trango Towers]

What a joker this guy Windy is?
24 SIKH pilots within one camp?

Sikhs constitute less than 2% of the population. But they contribute bigger numbers to the defence forces. Even if we consider 10% of pilots being Sikhs, 24 Sikhs in one camp would mean total 240 pilots would have been captured. There is no reason to believe that the numbers are not likely to be in proportion.

Even if the numbers are reduced to 200 presuming that even higher percentage of Sikhs were shot down, you see what OP is taking about.

Windy, kuch to dekh liya kar thread kholne ke pehle?

If 24 is 10% of Indian pilot then 240 would be total Indian pilots in air force. Not total captured you numbnut.

What a joker

 

[DabbuSardar]

That was another lie by IAF by the way. Just like the lie that Abhinandan shot down F16 with his Mig 21

No PAF Sabre was hit or even damaged by poor Sekhon who was left alone by his leader

Everyone has their own story to tell…

Only the bangladesh air force can provide an honest account about 1971.