Former DG ISI My comments have been twisted

[Gautam]

may be this is the reason the US did the unilateral operation. now it makes more sense.

 

[foxbat]

ISI Chief does not mean he was Army Chief.

He was appointed by Nawaz as Army Chief but never took over his office because Army revolted against his appointment.

The problem is you don't have any information and you are relying on Wikipedia for Information.

Whereas we Pakistanis were on the ground and know exactly what happened on the ground.

Whats besides the point is that wiki says exactly what you are saying..

However, he was the ISI chief at that time and a 4 star general in Pakistan army.. Guess thats something you wont dispute.. Now if words of ISI chief of Pakistan and 4 star generals in Pakistan are not credible, then yes, you have a point

 

[Pak47]

U.S. has failed in Afghanistan and now try to spread the blame on Pakistan.

 

[foxbat]

indians are caught red handed again pushing US propaganda. Looks like US propaganda kuli job being outsourced for indians.

lol.. its Pakistani ex ISI chief speaking about Pakistan's ex president and present Army chief.. Why bring India into it.. Obsession!! any one ???

 

[Pakistanisage]

This statement is from former Chief of Pakistan Army General Ziauddin Butt.

No one can deny it.

You can't call it RAW/CIA/MOSAAD conspiracy too.

You can continue to call him Former Army Chief like an Imbecile but that does not make him a former Army Chief because he never took oath and took over as Army Chief. Instead he was Court Martialled and booted out of the Army, unceremoniously.
Capisch, Genius...

 

[Pakistanisage]

Whats besides the point is that wiki says exactly what you are saying..

However, he was the ISI chief at that time and a 4 star general in Pakistan army.. Guess thats something you wont dispute.. Now if words of ISI chief of Pakistan and 4 star generals in Pakistan are not credible, then yes, you have a point

He was Booted out of the Army and has an axe to grind against Army and ISI and is part of Nawaz Sharif group who was ousted by Pak Army. They are making up stories to get even with the Army and ISI.

Is that so hard to understand ?

 

[SMC]

He was Booted out of the Army and has an axe to grind against Army and ISI and is part of Nawaz Sharif group who was ousted by Pak Army. They are making up stories to get even with the Army and ISI.

Is that so hard to understand ?

Bharatis are a classic case of foot in mouth.

Not seeing the obvious contradiction (like on some many other different occassions) yet continuing to act like they know what they're saying.

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He was Booted out of the Army and has an axe to grind against Army and ISI and is part of Nawaz Sharif group who was ousted by Pak Army. They are making up stories to get even with the Army and ISI.

Is that so hard to understand ?

Bharatis are a classic case of foot in mouth.

Not seeing the obvious contradiction (like on some many other different occassions) yet continuing to act like they know what they're saying.

 

[foxbat]

He was Booted out of the Army and has an axe to grind against Army and ISI and is part of Nawaz Sharif group who was ousted by Pak Army. They are making up stories to get even with the Army and ISI.

Is that so hard to understand ?

So that way, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, Musharraf all have been ousted one time or the other from their positions.. So I guess, there is no one left trust worthy in Pakistani system at this time

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And how does he know this exactly? I thought the self-made logicians (i.e. the bharatis) didn't take insider information as proof, because according to them, anyone can claim to have this information. Remember that this guy isn't working for Pakistan military anymore, so his word by itself doesn't count.

No disagreement here...Its just that the ex ISI chief's words about ISI will end up carrying some credibility

The other thing is... this was said, according to the article, in October. And only the bharatis are taking attention of this.

Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 9 Issue: 47December 22, 2011 04:19 PM Age: 2 days
The Jamestown Foundation: Former Pakistan Army Chief Reveals Intelligence Bureau Harbored Bin Laden in Abbottabad

Yet again a fail for bharatis.
In their small world, the whole world knows this, but in fact no one besides them has even read this.

Rubbish non nonsensical rant as always

 

[SMC]

How old are you man?? When ISI chief talks about activities of ISI, it is considered to be an admission

When he talks about activities of RAW and CIA, they are just accusations...

Its like if you stand up and say that you are a junkie, then people will believe you because you are talking bad about yourself

If you similarly say that your neighbour is a junkie, thats just an accusation and wont be taken on face value


PS: Bold and large sized text can not introduce weight in an otherwise stupid argument .

Did you again not see the problem with your argument before blabbering nonsense?

This guy is not talking about activities that happened during his tenure. He's talking about something that happened during someone else's tenure. Thus one can't go just by his word. One has to ask questions.. how did he get to know this, who told him this? This is no different than just another accusation.

 

[SMC]

No disagreement here...Its just that the ex ISI chief's words about ISI will end up carrying some credibility

Not if he's talking about something that didn't happen during his tenure, no..

Especially if it happened long after his tenure.

Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 9 Issue: 47December 22, 2011 04:19 PM Age: 2 days
The Jamestown Foundation: Former Pakistan Army Chief Reveals Intelligence Bureau Harbored Bin Laden in Abbottabad

From your article..

auddin Butt, a former chief of the Pakistan army, told a conference on Pakistani-US ties in October that according to his knowledge, then director general of Intelligence Bureau, Brigadier (retd.) Ijaz Shah, had "kept Osama bin Laden in an Intelligence Bureau safe house in Abbottabad".

Rubbish non nonsensical rant as always

It's the reality, believe it or not. The whole world doesn't revolve around bharat.

 

[wmdisinfo]

Musharraf harboured osama and United kingdom harbours musharraf so in a sense United kingdom is complicit.and they gave musharraf more security and armed gaurds then camroon.and it was good if osama lived in pakistan because pakistan belongs to GOD as all other countries God made earth and people made borders

 

[foxbat]

Did you again not see the problem with your argument before blabbering nonsense?

This guy is not talking about activities that happened during his tenure. He's talking about something that happened during someone else's tenure. Thus one can't go just by his word. One has to ask questions.. how did he get to know this, who told him this? This is no different than just another accusation.

And you think once he moved out of ISI, all his connections and links in the organization just poofed away..

But thats besides the point.. Am not saying that his words are cast in stone like the 10 commandments.. Just that the ex ISI chief of Pakistan has blamed ex president and present COAS of Pakistan as accessories to terrorist activities..

 

[SMC]

And you think once he moved out of ISI, all his connections and links in the organization just poofed away..

I addressed this argument before as well, since I saw it coming from a mile away.

I remember bharatis claiming this is not a sound argument, since anyone can claim to have connections and links, and how do we even know if their connections and links are saying this.

But thats besides the point.. Am not saying that his words are cast in stone like the 10 commandments.. Just that the ex ISI chief of Pakistan has blamed ex president and present COAS of Pakistan as accessories to terrorist activities..

And big deal? he can really say all he wants, as long as he doesn't how he got this info, one can't really take him seriously. It all comes down to the fact that he's talking about events that occurred long after he had left Pakistan military/ISI.

 

[Bratva]

How old are you man?? When ISI chief talks about activities of ISI, it is considered to be an admission

When he talks about activities of RAW and CIA, they are just accusations...

Its like if you stand up and say that you are a junkie, then people will believe you because you are talking bad about yourself

If you similarly say that your neighbour is a junkie, thats just an accusation and wont be taken on face value


PS: Bold and large sized text can not introduce weight in an otherwise stupid argument .

thank you for admitting arundati roy speaks truth in india.

 

[third eye]

So basically the ISI both 'hid OBL' and helped track him down and helped in the US raid. ...

Rather contradictory statements, don't you think?

No contradiction at all.


If correct, it just establishes the fact the world speaks of - the ISI has always run with the hare & hunted with the hound.

Nothing new at all.