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Huddled around a fire in a bombed-out building in Aleppo, foreign jihadists say they are fighting for a radical Islamic state in Syria - whether local rebels trying to topple President Bashar al-Assad like it or not.

Among their fellow revolutionaries and civilians, these foreigners draw both respect for their iron discipline and fear that if Assad falls, they may turn on former allies to complete the struggle for an Islamic caliphate.

One Turkish fighter in the devastated Aleppo district of Karm al-Jabal expressed an unbending determination to achieve a state under Sharia Islamic law that worries many Syrians, the West and even regional backers of the anti-Assad rebellion.

"Syria...will be an Islamic and Sharia state and we will not accept anything else. Democracy and secularism are completely rejected," said the fighter, who called himself Khattab.

Sporting a shaggy beard and with an AK-47 slung over his shoulder, he warned anyone who might stand in the way. "We will fight them, even if they are among the revolutionaries or anyone else," said Khattab, who left his job as a driver to fight for two years in Afghanistan before moving to Syria six months ago.

A member of the Jundollah rebel unit, Khattab has little knowledge of Arabic - he spoke in the rubble-strewn building through a Syrian translator - and refused to be filmed or photographed for fear of being identified back in Turkey.

The government of Turkey is itself Islamist but strongly opposes the radical ideology of Khattab and the militants who are rising among the rebel groups fighting Assad in a conflict that has claimed at least 60,000 lives.

The United States designated al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, al-Nusra Front, as a terrorist organization in December after it claimed responsibility for bombings in Damascus and Aleppo.

However, many rebels and Aleppo residents say fear of the jihadists is overblown. The West is exploiting it to justify not sending desperately-needed arms to the rebels, they say, prolonging Assad's hold on power.

In Aleppo, Syria's biggest city, the radicals' influence is obvious. Many rebels drive through the shattered streets in cars emblazoned with black Islamist flags carrying religious slogans.

Accounts differ on how much radical groups coordinate with units of the mainstream rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA). Many rebels praise the skills of the jihadists - often honed in Afghanistan or Iraq - saying they are among the bravest fighters although they tend to be reclusive.

Some, however, are new recruits in the holy war in a country they call Al-Sham, recalling a greater Syria established after the Muslim conquest over 1,300 years ago.

One such is Abu al-Harith, a stocky, fair, 27-year-old from Azerbaijan who spoke at a rebel base in Karm al-Jabal, a district so damaged it seems to have suffered an earthquake.

"This is my first time to embark on a Jihad because ... there was no one worse than Bashar. Even Stalin was merciful compared with him," said the young man, who wore a ski mask and had a black badge bearing an Islamic religious slogan sewn onto his green fatigues.

FIGHTING THE FSA

Nevertheless, there is concern about the post-Assad vision of these foreign radicals - whose numbers are difficult to assess - and whose rejection of a future democratic state may sit uneasily with many Syrians fighting authoritarian rule.

Some jihadists distrust the Free Syrian Army, an army in name only composed of mostly local Sunni Muslim fighters and army defectors. Likewise they see little difference between the West and regional Islamic countries which back the FSA.

"All this talk about freedom, democracy and the secular state and a state of open freedoms like America and the European system - Islamists do not care about this talk at all," said 25-year-old Abu Muawiyah, a skinny fighter who said he was from the Aleppo countryside and translated for the foreigners.

"There are some fighting factions like the Free Syrian Army, who have links to other countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and these countries have links with the controlling pole, which is the United States," he said. "America is against anything Islamic. That is obvious to everyone."


Not all foreign fighters have a radical vision, and they are welcomed heartily by Syrian fighters. Abu Ahmed al-Libi, who fought to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi in 2011, said he came to Syria with a band of 15 Libyans eight months ago.

A large man who had an easy camaraderie with Syrian fighters in his unit, he shook hands with a female reporter - a rarity among even mainstream Islamist groups in Syria. Libi said he had trained 40 Syrians in Libya before bringing them over, and estimated the number of Libyan fighters in Syria at about 200.

DIFFERENT IDEOLOGY, SAME GOALS

While Washington has recognized the rebels' National Coalition as the sole representative of Syria, its designation of al-Nusra Front as a terrorist organization has angered many rebel leaders. They say the group, whether it espouses extremist ideology or not, is fighting the same enemy as they are.

Al-Nusra Front has a reputation for being extremely disciplined, and it is hard to find many people who will criticize it. Abu Abdo, a fighter on one of the many frontlines in Aleppo, said he had tried to join the group but was rejected because he was a smoker.

Colonel Abduljabbar Oqaidi, who heads the military revolutionary council in Aleppo province, defended al-Nusra Front. "We may differ with them on their thought," he told Reuters recently, but he rejected Washington's designation.

"They're fierce and loyal ... And at the end of the day they're fighting the regime with us. And we have not seen their extremism, they have not done anything that proves they are terrorists," he said. "Anyone fighting the regime is a mujahid and a revolutionary and we kiss their forehead," said Oqaidi, adding that their numbers were not more than 500 in Aleppo.

By contrast, support for the Free Syrian Army has eroded among some Aleppians due to some cases of looting.

"The cleanest unit on the ground, with no corruption within its ranks, is the al-Nusra Front. The group now has a popular base. Maybe their ideology is distant from the people's but they started liking al-Nusra front because they are just," said Abu Ahmed, who leads an Aleppo unit of the large al-Tawheed brigade.

"The fear surrounding the Nusra Front is down to intimidation by the media," he said. "My ideology is not the same as the Nusra Front but I have to say what I've experienced from them."

OMINOUS FUTURE?

Fears of internecine conflict remain. A commander of al-Farouq Brigades, one of Syria's largest rebel groups, was shot dead on Wednesday in what rebel sources said may have been in revenge for the killing of an al-Nusra Front leader.

Some rebels see a more ominous future. "We're scared that after the fall of the regime, they will try to impose their views on the Syrian people. Their goal is for Syria to be an Islamic state and the Free Syrian Army is the opposite of that," said a 24-year-old rebel fighter in trainers and tracksuit pants who goes by the name Saqr Idlib.

Walking through a destroyed part of the al-Sukkari district in Aleppo, the fighter puffed worriedly on a cigarette: "We're scared there'll be problems by al-Nusra Front and other groups like them after the fall of the regime."

By contrast, Abu Ahmed said he had no fear of a future conflict and his wife - who wears a headscarf but does not cover her face - chimed in: "Al-Nusra Front's ideology is Islamic and at the end of the day, we are Muslims."

While Syria's uprising has been led by Sunnis, minority Christians and members of Assad's Alawite sect - an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam - had nothing to worry about, said Adnan Abu Raad as he watched gravediggers shovel dirt in the town of Azaz near the Turkish border.

"Any boy, child or women will say we want an Islamic state only. And there is no difference between Sunni, Christian or Alawite. Just peace and security for all," Abu Raad said.

At least some people in Aleppo seem willing to tolerate even gruesome retribution by the jihadists. "Yes, they have the sword and beheading, but only for those people who deserve it," said Hadi, a bearded rebel who spoke in the corridor of a bombed-out building that served as a gateway to a frontline.

Insight: Foreign fighters seek Islamic state in post-Assad Syria | Reuters


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You're statement discredits Islam and who does this come to benefit? Syria? your just fualing more hate for Syria by all its neighbors, paint a European image that dislikes Islam and place it on Syria will only add fual to the flames, If you care for Syria stop discrediting Islam and try to pursway other Muslims not to support a war against a fellow Muslim nation, instead of pleasuring yourself by wallowing in the termoil. Allah loves the peacemaker, then to, Syrians have the right to protect their borders from invaders.

Do not be upset by this statement, instead, just take it as a word of advice from a friend, Please.

You can love Christianity, You can live by Christianity, But do not discredit our beutiful Deen right infront of us over what fake Mujahids have done.

And take note, it is Sunni Muslims who are giving their lives to protect the Religious minorities in Syria, so have some respect.

I'm being very nice about this because we both have similar view on this war, so lets not fight each other, :)
 
foreign jihadists say they are fighting for a radical Islamic state in Syria

I am not sure if that is how the "jihadis" like to describe their goal.
Can you imagine a taliban, or a Mullah saying " I want to establish a radical islamic state " ?

You know who would call an islamic state radical and you know whose propoganda is it !

Sporting a shaggy beard and with an AK-47 slung over his shoulder, he warned anyone who might stand in the way. "We will fight them, even if they are among the revolutionaries or anyone else," said Khattab, who left his job as a driver to fight for two years in Afghanistan before moving to Syria six months ago.

Tell me, how is that any different than what the government forces are doing already ?

The Ak-47 was supplied by an outside force to the rebel, and the weapons with government are supplied from outside syria.
The rebels are adament they will not stop at any thing, and so the government hell bent.

Both of them do not value human life or property, and believe in absolute use of power and bloodshed to achieve their objectives.

so what is the difference ? and who will eventually gain from all this ?

Turkey will not, Saudi arabia will not, nor will Syria.
 
You're statement discredits Islam and who does this come to benefit? Syria? your just fualing more hate for Syria by all its neighbors, paint a European image that dislikes Islam and place it on Syria will only add fual to the flames, If you care for Syria stop discrediting Islam and try to pursway other Muslims not to support a war against a fellow Muslim nation, instead of pleasuring yourself by wallowing in the termoil. Allah loves the peacemaker, then to, Syrians have the right to protect their borders from invaders.

Do not be upset by this statement, instead, just take it as a word of advice from a friend, Please.

You can love Christianity, You can live by Christianity, But do not discredit our beutiful Deen right infront of us over what fake Mujahids have done.

And take note, it is Sunni Muslims who are giving their lives to protect the Religious minorities in Syria, so have some respect.

I'm being very nice about this because we both have similar view on this war, so lets not fight each other, :)
I'm really confused? how did I even insult Muslims or Islam? And there is no way that I would insult Islam or Muslims... please see my posts in other threads about that...

and you can see at the end I said western/tukish/gcc democracy...

I'm really lost
 
I'm really confused? how did I even insult Muslims or Islam? And there is no way that I would insult Islam or Muslims... please see my posts in other threads about that...

and you can see at the end I said western/tukish/gcc democracy...

I'm really lost

Whats so bad about an Islamic state? you make it sound like its something terrible... Btw the so called rebels are not seeking an Islamic state, they care nothing about Islam, just mocking Allah and gaining the fortunes of war, you even hear about them killing each other over splitting funds. Heck they even blow up Masjids, every time I hear people talk about them, they call them Islamists, Islamist Terrorists, etc, this is not benefiting Islam, its hurting the deen and tarnishing the Image.
 
Whats so bad about an Islamic state? you make it sound like its something terrible... Btw the so called rebels are not seeking an Islamic state, they care nothing about Islam, just mocking Allah and gaining the fortunes of war, you even hear about them killing each other over splitting funds. Heck they even blow up Masjids, every time I hear people talk about them, they call them Islamists, Islamist Terrorists, etc, this is not benefiting Islam, its hurting the deen and tarnishing the Image.
There is a difference between Islamic State and Zio-Whabbi state.... Iran is an Islamic State and nothing wrong with Iran... however we look at GCC... and that's something else... those terrorists want to destroy Syria and they want to make Syria a puppet state
 
its inevitable syrian lion. Every muslim majority country has to go through an islamic phase before becoming modern democracy. The status quo is bad too. Sorry if you arre minority there.
 
its inevitable syrian lion. Every muslim majority country has to go through an islamic phase before becoming modern democracy. The status quo is bad too. Sorry if you arre minority there.
But in Syria they don't want Islamic phase... those terrorists want to destroy the country they are Zionist slaves, they want to turn Syria into a Zio-Wahabbi state...
 
But in Syria they don't want Islamic phase... those terrorists want to destroy the country they are Zionist slaves, they want to turn Syria into a Zio-Wahabbi state...

What 'you' dont want is not same as what syrians dont want. Most syrians may not like AQ ruling them, but surely they want a sunni islamic state.
In any case its more sectarian than religious, and once sunni are in power they tend to bring in wahabis and other puritans in.
Resistance is futile, cosidering sunnis are majority. God is not really that great dear.
I hope there is reconciliation and some power sharing done before its too late.
 
Whats so bad about an Islamic state? you make it sound like its something terrible... Btw the so called rebels are not seeking an Islamic state, they care nothing about Islam, just mocking Allah and gaining the fortunes of war, you even hear about them killing each other over splitting funds. Heck they even blow up Masjids, every time I hear people talk about them, they call them Islamists, Islamist Terrorists, etc, this is not benefiting Islam, its hurting the deen and tarnishing the Image.

Brother I believe he is a Christian, so his concern for an Islamic state is justified especially considering the nutcases who know nothing about Islam in the FSA. Before this civil war Syria was peaceful with all religions coexisting now these radicals have painted a religious angle to a war that is being over the throne of Damascus.
 
What 'you' dont want is not same as what syrians dont want. Most syrians may not like AQ ruling them, but surely they want a sunni islamic state.
In any case its more sectarian than religious, and once sunni are in power they tend to bring in wahabis and other puritans in.
Resistance is futile, cosidering sunnis are majority. God is not really that great dear.
Look in Syria its different... if Sunnis wanted Alasad, Alasad would have been gone already... these terrorists were put in Syria by the west for a purpose. The west saw that Alasad is not falling, since he has the people support, thus they want to put terrorists there so the west can start a war in Syria under the name of "War on Terrorism". Those same terrorists are supported by the west now...
 
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