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Honourable President and Honourable Prime Minister,
It is with a heavy heart, that I write this open letter to you at a time when our beloved country and people are facing severe challenges and threats to our shared heritage.
I have served in the Armed Forces of India - joining soon after Independence as a 14 year old, to end up 45 years later Chief of the Indian Navy [1990 to 1993] I have witnessed many transitions in India - from the horrors of partition in 1947 to the very different world of digital connectivity that we see today.
I also write to you as one who was brought up in the Hindu faith. However, the Hinduism I knew and experienced was gentle, inclusive, and filled with extraordinary diversity. My religion taught me values of love and respect for all beings. My brand of Hinduism was not filled with the kind of violence, intolerance represented by the current brand of "Hindutva" that seems to be fanning the flames of division and fear across the country.
Today, as a veteran in my eighties, I am forced to hang my head in shame as I witness a series of incidents and assaults on our fellow citizens, especially minorities and Dalits. Our armed forces which I have had the honour to serve for 45 years, have been an exemplar of India's secular ethos. Be it in ships and submarines, or in planes and battle formations, we do not discriminate on the basis of caste or religion - we train, we fight, we live, we eat and we die together.
So why are we bearing witness to increasing attacks on minorities across the country, ever since the present government came to power in May 2014? It appears that certain communities are being singled out for special attention - for instance Muslims. Today a Muslim has to prove his or her loyalty, and they are being repeatedly put in a situation where their places of worship are under attack, as indeed their eating habits, and other basic freedoms. The instances of completely unacceptable and unilateral mob behaviour leading to many deaths as well as direct insinuations being made by senior leaders, are too numerous and well known to be repeated.
There seems to be a systematic and well orchestrated attempt to impose a majoritarian single point agenda of creating a Hindu Rashtra in India - led by the RSS and their network of groups, which is disturbing to say the least. This in turn has resulted in a dangerous pattern of mob behaviour including intimidating and lynching people merely on the basis of rumours - in total disregard for the established rule of law. In many cases those responsible for implementing the law, have themselves displayed blatant partisan tendencies and behaviour.
Most shocking of all is the fact there has been no unambiguous condemnation of such actions and behaviour by those at the helm of affairs in the country. Sadly, time and time again, the response of the government seems to indicate an almost studied, but certainly not benign, indifference. The co-ordinated response of those in government seems to be to downplay the serious and vicious nature of these allegations and attacks - by terming them 'sad' and 'unfortunate' - whereas there should be outrage and a demonstrated will to ensure that this society will not tolerate such behaviour. That there are MPs, Cabinet ministers and elected Chief Ministers who are in the forefront of these comments and actions, leads one to believe that the ruling party and its satellite organisations are working to a plan.
I do not need to point out to the top leadership today, that this is playing with fire in a nation where minorities - especially Muslims and Christians, as also Dalits and adivasis, are already feeling discriminated and marginalised. Instead of treating this amazing diversity as our strength, today we are being seen by the international community as increasingly insular, parochial, intolerant, racist and even fascist. The violence visited upon vulnerable sections reinforces the image of India as an imperfect democracy where all forms of dissent are discouraged and human rights trampled upon with impunity.
The Prime Minister and his ministers in the government are sworn in by the President of India, and they take an oath pledging to uphold the Indian Constitution. Their failure to do so, as evidenced in the foregoing, is a serious matter and does not augur well either for national security or national integrity. The Central and State Governments must act swiftly, unequivocally condemn all such incidents and ensure that justice will be done and the guilty are punished. Such action alone will have a salutary deterrent effect on all those, be they fringe or mainstream, who are speaking and acting in many voices that are totally against and inimical to, our traditional ethos and the syncretic culture of our country and its people.

India represents a unique blend of peoples and cultures which have evolved over 5000 plus years in a constantly changing and dynamic process. This diversity and unique nature of our society and people can probably never be replicated anywhere on this earth - and for this reason alone, the concept of a single religious identity or mono culture represents an insult to this ancient civilisational heritage.
Honourable Mr President, Honourable Mr Prime Minister, you have both sworn to honour the right of every single citizen to freedom of speech, worship, association as brilliantly articulated in the Indian Constitution. As a former serviceman and a veteran, like you, I too have promised to uphold the same constitution. It is our bounden duty that the elected Government of this nation must honour the rights of every citizen of this land as amply spelled out in the Preamble of the Constitution and further elaborated in the Directive Principles of state policy. As Supreme Commander and the Chief Executive - this is what you must ensure and implement by all the powers vested in you by the people of India.
If we do not stem the rot now - it might be too late. Indeed we the people of India look to you to take all steps necessary to restore faith in our democracy and in the promise of bringing dignity, fraternity and equality to each of our citizens.

Admiral L. Ramdas

"Forced to hang my head in shame": Former Navy chief writes open letter to President Mukherjee, PM Modi - The Times of India
 
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I do share his views and people who know me on the forum know pretty well i am no liberal sickular/secular or whatever u call it.I am no pakistani agent or sympathizer of a particular community.

And i am no modi hater,in fact my whole family including me voted for modi and will vote again for bjp if elction is held tomorrow.

However there is something really wrong in the mentality of some people in bjp and there has been a sudden change in society,i feel it every single day.

Congress is bad for india's future but it was much more inclusive imho.I will still choose bjp as i am a born sikh and an atheist now so am not bothered by these things at a personal level but if i was a muslim,i would never vote for bjp for sure.
 
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Doesn't his Daughter represent Ford Foundation in India? I am sure daughter asked daddy dear to hang his head for some foreign funds.

Bullshit.Its not about this person man.
Society sacchi change ho gayi aa..........for good or bad i do not know.

But i feel the change.......
 
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Bullshit.Its not about this person man.
Society sacchi change ho gayi aa..........for good or bad i do not know.

But i feel the change.......

other political parties are fighting for existence you will hear them crying in TV studios and through op eds. Is it not true that Admiral Ramdass worked as internal Lokpal of AAP?
 
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other political parties are fighting for existence you will hear them crying throw TV studios and through op eds. Is it not true that Admiral Ramdass worked as internal Lokpal of AAP?

Thats totally irrelevant,,are u trying to question the credentials of a man who was indian navy chief??
My point is we are moving towards a totally intolerant society and u very well know what i mean.Due to our respective religions we have no problem on a personal level and infact should feel superior in this atmosphere.

But what about other communities who are being viewed by a microscope?I mean ppl are afraid they will be killed just on a false and stupid suspicion.Thats not a good thing at all.

All this has made bjp's position much stronger and i see bjp winning 2-3 national elections on a row even if it performs badly(i am saying if,even though performance has been way better than congress) as people just do not care about actual issues anymore.Its just culture bla bla,hindu pandits,beef,pork........mandir -masjid-gurudwara-church!!

I mean wtf is this?
 
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I think there needs to be some serious impartial analysis of data to determine whether attacks have increased after May 2014 or its just a perception being created by media as its so honest and impartial.

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Oh btw did I forgot to tell that the honorable admiral served as the internal lokpal of AAP. :-)
 
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Times have changed. Even if God comes and tells me to hang my head in shame, I won't. :tup: Admiral Ramdas is entitled to his own view/s.

I think there needs to be some serious impartial analysis of data to determine whether attacks have increased after May 2014 or its just a perception being created by media as its so honest and impartial.

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Oh btw did I forgot to tell that the honorable admiral served as the internal lokpal of AAP. :-)
Think India has become more communal under Modi? The numbers will disappoint you | Newslaundry

Have attacks on minorities increased under Modi's government? - Quora

Shows that the Armed Forces are also not immune to the self hating rot. :agree:
 
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Honourable President and Honourable Prime Minister,
It is with a heavy heart, that I write this open letter to you at a time when our beloved country and people are facing severe challenges and threats to our shared heritage.
I have served in the Armed Forces of India - joining soon after Independence as a 14 year old, to end up 45 years later Chief of the Indian Navy [1990 to 1993] I have witnessed many transitions in India - from the horrors of partition in 1947 to the very different world of digital connectivity that we see today.
I also write to you as one who was brought up in the Hindu faith. However, the Hinduism I knew and experienced was gentle, inclusive, and filled with extraordinary diversity. My religion taught me values of love and respect for all beings. My brand of Hinduism was not filled with the kind of violence, intolerance represented by the current brand of "Hindutva" that seems to be fanning the flames of division and fear across the country.
Today, as a veteran in my eighties, I am forced to hang my head in shame as I witness a series of incidents and assaults on our fellow citizens, especially minorities and Dalits. Our armed forces which I have had the honour to serve for 45 years, have been an exemplar of India's secular ethos. Be it in ships and submarines, or in planes and battle formations, we do not discriminate on the basis of caste or religion - we train, we fight, we live, we eat and we die together.
So why are we bearing witness to increasing attacks on minorities across the country, ever since the present government came to power in May 2014? It appears that certain communities are being singled out for special attention - for instance Muslims. Today a Muslim has to prove his or her loyalty, and they are being repeatedly put in a situation where their places of worship are under attack, as indeed their eating habits, and other basic freedoms. The instances of completely unacceptable and unilateral mob behaviour leading to many deaths as well as direct insinuations being made by senior leaders, are too numerous and well known to be repeated.
There seems to be a systematic and well orchestrated attempt to impose a majoritarian single point agenda of creating a Hindu Rashtra in India - led by the RSS and their network of groups, which is disturbing to say the least. This in turn has resulted in a dangerous pattern of mob behaviour including intimidating and lynching people merely on the basis of rumours - in total disregard for the established rule of law. In many cases those responsible for implementing the law, have themselves displayed blatant partisan tendencies and behaviour.
Most shocking of all is the fact there has been no unambiguous condemnation of such actions and behaviour by those at the helm of affairs in the country. Sadly, time and time again, the response of the government seems to indicate an almost studied, but certainly not benign, indifference. The co-ordinated response of those in government seems to be to downplay the serious and vicious nature of these allegations and attacks - by terming them 'sad' and 'unfortunate' - whereas there should be outrage and a demonstrated will to ensure that this society will not tolerate such behaviour. That there are MPs, Cabinet ministers and elected Chief Ministers who are in the forefront of these comments and actions, leads one to believe that the ruling party and its satellite organisations are working to a plan.
I do not need to point out to the top leadership today, that this is playing with fire in a nation where minorities - especially Muslims and Christians, as also Dalits and adivasis, are already feeling discriminated and marginalised. Instead of treating this amazing diversity as our strength, today we are being seen by the international community as increasingly insular, parochial, intolerant, racist and even fascist. The violence visited upon vulnerable sections reinforces the image of India as an imperfect democracy where all forms of dissent are discouraged and human rights trampled upon with impunity.
The Prime Minister and his ministers in the government are sworn in by the President of India, and they take an oath pledging to uphold the Indian Constitution. Their failure to do so, as evidenced in the foregoing, is a serious matter and does not augur well either for national security or national integrity. The Central and State Governments must act swiftly, unequivocally condemn all such incidents and ensure that justice will be done and the guilty are punished. Such action alone will have a salutary deterrent effect on all those, be they fringe or mainstream, who are speaking and acting in many voices that are totally against and inimical to, our traditional ethos and the syncretic culture of our country and its people.
India represents a unique blend of peoples and cultures which have evolved over 5000 plus years in a constantly changing and dynamic process. This diversity and unique nature of our society and people can probably never be replicated anywhere on this earth - and for this reason alone, the concept of a single religious identity or mono culture represents an insult to this ancient civilisational heritage.
Honourable Mr President, Honourable Mr Prime Minister, you have both sworn to honour the right of every single citizen to freedom of speech, worship, association as brilliantly articulated in the Indian Constitution. As a former serviceman and a veteran, like you, I too have promised to uphold the same constitution. It is our bounden duty that the elected Government of this nation must honour the rights of every citizen of this land as amply spelled out in the Preamble of the Constitution and further elaborated in the Directive Principles of state policy. As Supreme Commander and the Chief Executive - this is what you must ensure and implement by all the powers vested in you by the people of India.
If we do not stem the rot now - it might be too late. Indeed we the people of India look to you to take all steps necessary to restore faith in our democracy and in the promise of bringing dignity, fraternity and equality to each of our citizens.
Admiral L. Ramdas

"Forced to hang my head in shame": Former Navy chief writes open letter to President Mukherjee, PM Modi - The Times of India
A political oriented View.maybe thats why author is Should hang is head in shame
 
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I mean wtf is this?
Self correction. The strong moral guardians* (who imposed Nehruvian secularism with forced killings/disappearances) are absent (due to being dead by old age). So the people are reclaiming what belongs to them. :agree:

* Before you jump, let me assure you that I can give you examples.

Thats totally irrelevant,,are u trying to question the credentials of a man who was indian navy chief??
Na. He is not raising. I am. :agree: If Marshall Ney was court martialled and shot, if General Vlasov was executed etc, ... you know... there's precedence. :agree:
 
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Self correction. The strong moral guardians* (who imposed Nehruvian secularism with forced killings/disappearances) are absent (due to being dead by old age). So the people are reclaiming what belongs to them. :agree:

* Before you jump, let me assure you that I can give you examples.
Be Ready for 23rd jan 2016
 
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Thats totally irrelevant,,are u trying to question the credentials of a man who was indian navy chief??
My point is we are moving towards a totally intolerant society and u very well know what i mean.Due to our respective religions we have no problem on a personal level and infact should feel superior in this atmosphere.

But what about other communities who are being viewed by a microscope?I mean ppl are afraid they will be killed just on a false and stupid suspicion.Thats not a good thing at all.

All this has made bjp's position much stronger and i see bjp winning 2-3 national elections on a row even if it performs badly(i am saying if,even though performance has been way better than congress) as people just do not care about actual issues anymore.Its just culture bla bla,hindu pandits,beef,pork........mandir -masjid-gurudwara-church!!

I mean wtf is this?

Here is another former Indian Navy Chief crying foul over fake Church attacks in Delhi.


I agree with your last point, we need our political discourse to mature and concentrate on relevant issues instead beef, hindu muslim, castism but in a country with such huge diversity as ours unfortunately such issues will find some takers.
 
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I agree with your last point, we need our political discourse to mature and concentrate on relevant issues instead beef, hindu muslim, castism but in a country with such huge diversity as ours unfortunately such issues will find some takers.

Thats my only prayer here man.
I know its a fault of all sides but its time we mature.
 
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Nice to hear one sane voice in India rest everybody in mood of killing innocents people over eating their liking even small children burnt alive for being untouchables.
 
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