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Flanker diplomacy: Win-win for India in Asia

and against it,I'm posting few more news source..

Indo-Indonesia Relation.....................


Three separate security agreements were concluded between their air forces, navies, and armies in 1956, 1958, and 1960, respectively. The air force bilateral agreement envisaged exchange and training of pilots and the sale, loan, and exchange of aircraft spares. The naval agreement provided for cross attachment of naval officers, training exercises, and bilateral visits. Following these agreements, India provided military assistance to Indonesia’s counterinsurgency campaign in the 1950s and both countries conducted their first joint naval exercises in July 1960.


Suharto’s ouster from power in 1998 brought democracy and a more nuanced foreign policy to Indonesia. The post-Suharto period saw a rejuvenated foreign policy bent on cultivating cordial ties with all countries, particularly major regional powers like India which had embarked on a Look East policy by then. The 2005 India-Indonesia Strategic Partnership Agreement was a milestone in Indo-Indonesian bilateral relations. It is not only a resurrection of defense cooperation established during the Sukarno years, it also signaled a positive turn in Jakarta’s perceptions of New Delhi.

In a reprise of defense cooperation during the Sukarno era, Indonesia has resumed defence engagement with India across all branches of the armed forces. The maritime security cooperation is perhaps the most significant, as both countries share a common boundary as littorals of the Indian Ocean. Such cooperation includes coordinated patrols, joint bilateral or multilateral exercises, as well as humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. Cooperation between the air forces is also being discussed, with the recent progress including India’s support and training for the Indonesian Air Force’s Sukhoi fighter jets and pilots. Army-to-army cooperation primarily revolves around counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency. For example, in March 2012, Indian and Indonesian armies conducted their first-ever joint training exercise codenamed “Garuda Shakti” at the Indian Army’s elite Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS) in Mizoram.

What is new in the agreement is defense science and technology cooperation. New Delhi’s maturing defense technology and industry offers an attractive opportunity for Jakarta to develop its defense self-reliance.

However, New Delhi seems reluctant to enter into a technology transfer scheme with Indonesia, as evidenced by Jakarta’s failure to procure the Brahmos supersonic missiles. :undecided:


The Unfulfilled Promise of Indonesia-India Defense Ties | The Diplomat


Indonesia, India take further steps to strengthen relationship | The Jakarta Post

I've even heard that they permanently based some armor in India for training purpose.Indonesia did a lot of "Anti Indian" activities when Suharto was in power.but its 2013,not 1965s anymore.

Yup...there is a space cooperation between India and Indonesia currently.. we thanks Indian for that cooperation....:yahoo:
 
Yup...there is a space cooperation between India and Indonesia currently.. we thanks Indian for that cooperation....:yahoo:


welcome buddy...

by the way..foound official Indian Govt's statement on Indo-Indonesia Defence relation.....

Press Information Bureau English Releases

as for space co-op......


Greater cooperation can be expected between the countries in the area of space too. The joint statement said, “Leaders acknowledged the increasing intensity of collaboration between the Indian Space Research Organisation and the National Institute of Aeronautics and Space of Indonesia.”

ISRO might help Indonesia with its launch vehicles to put Indonesian satellites into space. The statement said Indonesia welcomed India’s offer of further upgradation of the Biak Telemetry, Tracking and Command Station to receive data from its OceanSat and ResourceSat satellites that have applications in hydrography, weather forecasting, disaster management, crop forecasting and resource mapping.

India, Indonesia pledge to take strategic relation to next level - Rediff.com India News
 
I'll not make mockery out of india here but I am wondering why can't hindustan upgrade Mirage 2000s indigenously applying the whole LCA I/II "formula" saving $2B+.

Same reason why China can't upgrade your F-16s.
 
DID adds: “Indonesia isn’t looking to antagonise China, but China’s aggressive claims in the South China Sea are contrasting poorly with India’s support for freedom of navigation, and for multilateral resolution of the disputes under international law. The result is an important Indonesian tilt toward more cooperation with India, which fits very well with India’s own strategic priorities.”

So much for military strenght is the only way to influence others, good work! Btw, I wonder what Australia thinks about this, they already have issues with Indonesia having Flankers. Increased training, secure maintenance and even more capable upgrades later, in the line of MKI could be on the list and should make them more nervous.
 
I'll not make mockery out of india here but I am wondering why can't hindustan upgrade Mirage 2000s indigenously applying the whole LCA I/II "formula" saving $2B+.

I guess it's more to do with the contractual obligations & paucity of time rather than inability of HAL/DRDO. Unlike the Ruskies, the French do place many restrictions on equipment modifications/configurations.
 
Good News...
But we must sell our products too..
Actually..we are only selling 'services' as most of us Indians do worldover...
We must sell military hardwares to be profitable and for a long term relationship..

First you need to have a product to sell and the only one we have right now is the Dhruv. But being a production and maintenance hub for foreign arms and techs is a good development. Once because foreign defence companies will increase investments in India, but also because the Indian industry will get more and more capable in a shorter time.
 
I guess it's more to do with the contractual obligations & paucity of time rather than inability of HAL/DRDO. Unlike the Ruskies, the French do place many restrictions on equipment modifications/configurations.

Just curious, how do you know its not due to the inability of HAL, DRDO? I think its both contractual obligations and HAL and DRDO is also incapable. LCA is pretty much a Mirage 2000 upgrade in design plus some up to date components. Its obsolete at the time of induction so India is only buying 24 for the sake of supporting Indian defense industry. Its statement is that it will buy more at MKII. I'm certain if DRDO has MKII ready, Indian AF will buy more than just 24. But I'm not sure if they would buy more than 24 10 years from now.

And if India can have MKII ready in 10 years, it would be a big achievement.
 
Just curious, how do you know its not due to the inability of HAL, DRDO? I think its both contractual obligations and HAL and DRDO is also incapable. LCA is pretty much a Mirage 2000 upgrade in design plus some up to date components. Its obsolete at the time of induction so India is only buying 24 for the sake of supporting Indian defense industry. Its statement is that it will buy more at MKII. I'm certain if DRDO has MKII ready, Indian AF will buy more than just 24. But I'm not sure if they would buy more than 24 10 years from now.

And if India can have MKII ready in 10 years, it would be a big achievement.

I would have initiated a fair conversation if you weren't such a troll. Sorry, but I won't get into futile arguments with you.

But here's a Hint: What do you think are the upgrades that Mirage 2000's need to get them to dash 5 standard?
 
I would have initiated a fair conversation if you weren't such a troll. Sorry, but I won't get into futile arguments with you.

But here's a Hint: What do you think are the upgrades that Mirage 2000's need to get them to dash 5 standard?

A very good decision ...... :tup:
 
What I am really loving about this flanker diplomacy is that we are co operating with enemies of each other.

At one side we are co operating with Malaysia and Indonesia and at another side with their enemy (potential) Singapore.

Singapore Air Force is using Kalaikunda AFB in W.Bengal for training their fighter pilots as they lack airspace back home.

This also gives them opportunity to simulate combat tactics with IAF Flankers. This way they simulate against their enemy jets (Indonesian and Malay flankers).

In return India simulates against F-16 (Singaporean) and gain experience to be prepared against PAF F-16's.

True Baniya.
 

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