Five stabbed to death in latest Chinese knife attack

[Sugarcane]

R.I.P!!!

 

[Okemos]

Allow Ughur to move out of China, problem solves.

Tell them immigrate to Turkey and be back to their motherland.

Actually, another alternative would be to set up reservation areas for them like what U.S. did for native Americans. It's really funny a group of later comers demanded they be native to the land after they killed and converted native people centuries ago.

The old generation of the communist party were all too idealistic and delusional. They truly believed in worldwide united and set up all those "autonomous regions" in China anywhere there live some minorities. But see what we got now, so sad. In this regard, I demand Republic of China take over the mainland! lol

 

[sincity]

Yes yes, thats fine, but China is a huge country and is spread across the longitude.. I mean its like saying the Russians in Far East Russia don't look white, there they must be outsiders and invaders!

Russia occupied Japanese Land in the far east after WW2, you can't call Russian are the native on Japanese land even Japan government not physically own the land occupied by the Russian.

 

[jkroo]

What is proper word for chinese ethnic aren't you Han people

I mean the Uyghur. They are members of China family.

 

[iranigirl2]

RIP.

Uyghurs are not helping their cause, I used to have sympathy for them.. But how can any 1 support them now, when they act soo barbaric...

 

[jkroo]

是的，我知道很多维族朋友还是很善良的，我看过新闻报道的。但是，这种情况，已经影响到正常百姓的生活了，你看今天那个成都春熙路发生的事儿了吗？那些维族人就是彻彻底底的普通人，没有对任何人造成伤害，但是还是造成社会恐慌了。政府必须行动起来，一切都透明化，是什么就是什么，给无辜维族同胞一个说法，维护别的民族的利益，政府只会遮掩，等到事情闹不下去了，已经晚了。

至于给他们的待遇，我觉得，不要减少，维持现状即可，除了刀具强行管制。分裂主义就是希望通过这种事情惹怒我们，造成一种假象，汉族在压迫他们，其实不是，普通维族的生活跟我们没什么不同。现在，如果取消特殊待遇，对于政府和中国人民来说，没有什么实际上的好处，反而维族更不满，我不希望正中下怀，舆论更对我们不利。总之，现在中国很被动，中国还是缺乏处理这种事情的经验，我真希望政府能做点什么，多操心操心国家安全，民众疾苦，而不是他妈的扫黄捞政绩。

赞同你的观点，如同三聚氰胺案件，政府管理机构也有一个学习成长的过程，之后的情况只会逐渐好转。成都的事件我了解到了，甚至了解到普通维族百姓为了生活用100元一天请人烤羊肉串而不现身街头，这些事件确实伤害了维族百姓本身。

民族政策不会说改就改，但是行政管理机构的管理方式、行动效率确实有很大的提升空间，社会心理的成熟也需要一定的时间。分裂势力的存在只会让中国更强大，至于国内舆论，接下来还会整肃，也会更开放，法律法规应更细致和完善，我们静观其变，安内攘外，这个也是需要很长时间。

对本届政府我还是抱有期望的，特别在薄熙来和周永康案件之后。至于国外的舆论，我们自己心中有底就好了，满嘴火车跑多了，这些国家自己的人都不相信了，我们自己要有信心。

 

[BoQ77]

Best solution ever.

Better, leave Xinjiang for Uyghur ... Han should not immigrate to Xinjiang anymore and move out ...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually, another alternative would be to set up reservation areas for them like what U.S. did for native Americans. It's really funny a group of later comers demanded they be native to the land after they killed and converted native people centuries ago.

The old generation of the communist party were all too idealistic and delusional. They truly believed in worldwide united and set up all those "autonomous regions" in China anywhere there live some minorities. But see what we got now, so sad. In this regard, I demand Republic of China take over the mainland! lol

Only in your dream, KMT fanboy.

 

[Wholegrain]

Better, leave Xinjiang for Uyghur ... Han should not immigrate to Xinjiang anymore and move out ...

Vietnamese should leave Cham Muslim land in occupied Champa (aka South Vietnam)

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.

The Cham people are currently recognized by the Vietnamese government as minority group, even though they are indeed and in fact, indigenous. They meet all requirements by the UN standards and criteria, to be considered indigenous, however the Vietnamese government refuses to acknowledge this.

Recent human rights violations by the Vietnamese government against the Cham people:

In 2012, the local police used their power to bust into a local Mosque and took away a generator that provided electricity to over 40 families in the village of Chau Giang, and not long after that they came and kidnapped young village girls at their discretion to rape and sexually abuse them, eventually releasing them.

On 2009, a farm land owned by 13 Cham families From Vân Lâm villages was confiscated, when they tried to stand up for their ownership, they were apprehended by the police and discarded in an undisclosed remote location in the jungle.
In 2010, two young Cham college students from Thành Tín village are on vacation took a walk from their village to the city being stop and beat up to death.

In March 2013, a poor Cham college student Thành Xuân Thịnh from Phươc Nhơn village took out a loan for school, upon graduation he was unable to get a job and sought the help of staffing agency to place him in a position, so he could pay back his student loans. The agency had promised to staff him within weeks. After a few months, he was still unemployed, and when he approached the agency about a refund, they set him on fire, and he burned to death.

Cham people who have escaped Vietnam and have become U.S. citizens, have tried to return to their native land, of Vietnam to visit family and friends. Each time they return to Vietnam they are discriminated against, harassed, and even imprisoned. Mr. Nguyen V. Xung, an exchange student to Saudi Arabia in 1973 went back to Vietnam to visit his aging mother, was kept in the hotel overnight then was eventually deported out a day after that. Mr. Musa Porome, went to Vietnam in 1989 was kept at a hotel for 5 days while being interrogated by police agents and was eventually deported out of the country. Mr. Qasim Tu went to Vietnam in 2004, and was harassed and subjected to intimidation by Vietnamese secret agent over several days, and unable to visit his family. When Mrs. Man Jone tried to visit she was arrested and imprisoned under the accusations that she was trying to introduce a new religion to the community.

The Vietnamese government is currently building a nuclear power plant in a Cham village, with old and used technology from old North Korean power plants. Many people have fought against it, including Vietnamese politicians and scientists, citing the long term adverse affects it would have on the local villages and eventually extended further into the major cities of Vietnam. People that have spoken out publicly or post anything on social media sites, are immediately approached by and harassed by the Vietnam government. A prime example is when Mr. Musa Porome wrote a letter questioning the reasoning for the development of the nuclear power plant in a currently populated area, and speaking out about it. The government immediately fired back by threatening and intimidating him and his remaining family that still resides in Vietnam. They later tried to retract the statement, when he did not back down. But, he was unable to go back to Vietnam back in November 2012, for fear that they would do something to him if he went to visit.

The case of the fallen Champa

The case of the fallen Champa
Written by Suleiman Idres Bin
Monday, 12 September 2011 23:36

For quite a very long time, the world leaders have forgot Champa, and no ordinary people know anything about what has happened to Champa. By virtues of modern technologies, the history of the fallen Champa is now being revealed in the media networks and has attached worldwide attentions. The Champa’s history is the worst of all the world histories. The Champa’s enemy destroyed the whole country and everything it contained, massacred all its population, annihilated all its indigenous races and wiped out all the country’s boundaries. The Champa’s declared enemy is the north Vietnam, the Champa’s country is the so called central and South Vietnam and the Champa’s population and indigenous races are the Cham, Jarai, Radhe, Chru, Koho, Mnong Maa, Bahnar, Sedang, Cham Hroi and Stieng...Etc. The North Vietnam conquered the entire Champa’s territories and committed genocides on its whole population in order to expand land from North-Viet to south-Viet. The so-called central-Viet and south-Viet did not exist before the first half of 18th century. There is nothing left for the Champa’s survivors now but the conquered country itself which is absolutely priceless. The total number of the Champa’s living people today is estimated 1.5 million half of which live in Cambodia.

It is a phenomenon that Champa was found by its indigenous people with a multiplicity of races and tribes. All of these people today are the progeny of their Champa’s ancestors living in their own country without their own government and their rights to self determination are denied even basic human rights. Politically they are the oppressed races and socially they are isolated citizens and apartheid. All the inhabitants of highland areas, remote hills and no-man land areas throughout the country belong to the communities of the same tribe men whose living condition is dependent on weather and nature. Their basic needs, foods, clothing and shelters are relying only on what is described as self-supporting methods. Their primitive life goes on without education, healthcare and welfare to support life whatsoever. This is the kind of status and people that the newly adopted UN Declaration means to protect. In part it reads, “The Declaration emphasizes the rights of indigenous peoples to maintain and strengthen their own institutions, cultures and traditions and to pursue their development in keeping with their own needs and aspirations.”

The official name of Champa during its entire existence from 2nd century until it was conquered by north Viet and completely ceased to exist in 1832 was Kingdom of Champa. Prior to this date it had been known as Linyi since 192 C.E. The Kingdom consisted of five states with one central government. From North to South they are: Indrapura (Binh Tri Thien), Amaravati (Quang Nam, Quang Ngai), Vijaya (Binh Dinh), Khauthara (Nha Trang), and Panduranga (Phanrang, Phanri and Phanthiet). The location of Champa’s territories in its entirety is between 11th and 18th parallel line of latitude. The country coexistent bordered North Viet in the north and Kambuja (Cambodia) in the south and the west.

The north Viet was formerly known as Dai-Viet (great Viet) in the history. It was its intention and scheme that one day its neighbor champa would become its own country by all means and would be called south Viet. To carry out its policy of expansionisms successfully the Dai-Viet needed to take two courses of action. First was invasion and second was ethnic cleansing. One could not substitute the other. At all cost the Dai-Viet had committed crimes against humanity, violated the international laws, and ignored the rights of its neighbor’s country as a consequences of which Champa was erased from the Indochina’s map indefinitely.

During peaceful coexistence with all neighbors from 2nd through 9th century, Champa’s population was living in happiness and prosperity and enjoying high civilization. But from 10th century until its end, Champa always had had problems with the Dai-Viet’s aggressions. In 1036 and again in 1306 the Viet attacked Champa and the King surrendered resulting in the lost of northern lands. But from the years 1311 through 1353, Che Bong Nga, a brilliant general of Champa had defeated the Viet and recaptured successfully his lost lands. Unfortunately after his death, the Viet regain the victory over Champa. Constantly the Viet invaded the capital of Vijaya and destroyed it completely in 1471 while Champa lost a part of Khauthara in the central part in 1611. In another front the Viet infiltrated Camranh and settled there as its new border in the year 1653. It was obvious that Champa was overpowered by Viet’s manpower. Finally it was in the year 1832 when the entire Champa nation was destroyed and conquered by the Viet until today. For the Viet, the mission was accomplished with the destruction of Champa, the “killing fields” of the 19th century and the death of its whole population, the unforgettable races.

The history of Champa and its tragic story were written in many languages including Cham, Chinese, Vietnam, Khmer, Indonesian, Malay, English and French. It contained it full accounts and all the events of the last 900 years of its life. It is available in stone, and wood inscriptions and all forms of documentation of conceivable past. Everything was documented to such an extent that the world should be able to find justice and liberate Champa for its people of all generations to come, this only rightful owner.

The case of the fallen Champa is very unparallel, and it deserves a presentation in the UN assembly. It has indeed attracted much attention of the international academics such as university scholars, men of letter, writers and historians. It has been the case study for their thesis, treatise and discourse and so on. They undertake the task of writing about Champa, its people and cultures for their countries. (Part of their works are provide at the end). Today Champa appeals to all peace-loving countries of the world to support the fundamental rights and the noble cause of the fallen races so that the peaceful solution and justice could be found in the international forum.

All people of Champa are united under one leadership to continue their struggles for the independent land whether or not they have the support of the new UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples. First they resolved to liberate their country through non-violence approaches such as diplomacy, politics and economics. The needs and aspirations mentioned explicitly in the declaration mean that every indigenous people have their rights to self-determination and self-government in their own native land. In light of the UN declaration, the people of Champa demand that they be authorized to join the UN assembly for self-introduction presentation as one of the indigenous peoples of the world coming from a country whose name is King of Champa.

Whatever nation is ruling Champa today is being condemned by all the peoples of the world regardless of their differences of belief and religion. No one nation has the right to rule or colonize another nation on the basis of one being the victor and another being the vanquished. In the history of mankind, there has been no such a rule that applies to the game of sport and gamble. Colonization in those olden days existed only within time limits although it brought both advantages and disadvantages to the host country.

To achieve to autonomy in the territory populated by the native people of Champa, namely the central Vietnam, the case of Champa can be handled in the same way the UN was doing for east Timor of Indonesia about ten years ago. The number of Champa native population is twice of that of East Timor and so is the size of the country. In every respect, the case of the fallen Champa is far more feasible and favorable for the UN to pursue accomplishment in its mission than the case of East Timor, an island country newly independent. For the sake of the great diversity of the indigenous tribes and their national land, all people around the world shall not forget Champa.

Up to the present day, the Viet rulers and leaders with their national citizens, populations and governments and regimes inside Champa are all but new comers from their north lands and are all but descendants of the late Dai-Viet ancestry and Nguyen dynasties who had converted Champa into their new Vietnam since 18th century. These Viet people called Champa (Dat Nuoc) or new motherland illegitimately or in violation of all laws and norms of humanity. In fact they are both imperialists and colonialists in one of the countries of the Indo-Chinese peninsula. They call their Leader emperors Nguyen, emperor Gia, emperor Minh, and president Ngo, president Ho...Etc. who had reigned Champa in succession since their success of conquest. All of these rulers have ignored and denied the rights to self-determination of neither the racially native and indigenous population nor have they had in the least a lenient policy toward them, not to mention their other crimes against the Champa Kingdom.. These are the Viet leaders who have been suppressing all the Champa’s nationalists’ resistances and oppositions of all form.

Only and only the Champa’s people have the right to rule their own country in order to have peace and justice in our society and in our region, all foreigners do not have that right and are not entitled to absolutely. Such are the inalienable rights of every people living in the world. According to the geographic study, the almighty God has granted a country or a homeland to every people of every race in every location on the blessed earth. This has become the law of nature. All living creatures in land and sea bear witness and testimony to this eternal truth. Human being has no right to deny or change it. The territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Champa is indeed the gift from almighty God to the Champa people. Therefore, its sovereignty must belong to them at all times.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

BTW, both Martin and Wholegrain should calm down a bit, since not only both of you are Chinese, also you are both fellow Taiwan brothers.

Anyway, China will not blame those Uighurs who are willing to stick China. And as for not anti-Chinese ones, they will either be killed or jailed or deported from the countries with the acts or support of terrorism.

 

[Developereo]

Nobody is saying it's violence between races or racially motivated. All we are saying is that Uygres are insanely violent due to the favorable treatment in criminal justice system. They are allowed to carry weapons openly but others cannot, etc, etc.

I have been personally threatened by Uygre peddlers at knife's point to buy a tiny piece of cake for 300 Yuan when I visited Najing back in 2009. The police wouldn't even care and they just let those criminals running around. Now the CCP is eating what they sowed. You cannot have unequal treatment in criminal system or you are breeding violence, and also innocent Uygres will get bad reputation along with criminals.

The solution is to be tough on crime for everyone. Nobody should be given special treatment, good or bad, just because of their ethnicity.

Han Chinese are the dominant superpower. Just like the Israelis, Han Chinese decide on the solution to Uighur terrorism against Hans.

Are you really going to suggest that Native Americans have any say in American Anglo-Saxon decisions to sequester them on reservations?

So your solution is based on power, not justice.

One person stabbed others -- and the killer in this case happened to be Uyghur, so you are talking about racial stereotypes and racial punishments.

I gave you other examples where Han criminals were butchering innocents, to show you that the problem is not one of ethnicity but behavior.

The solution should also be based on behavior, not ethnicity.

 

[Developereo]

We never cut one's head off their body, we never stab right in their throat. So professional and skillful method. This is difference. You see how great hatred toward han.

What are you smoking?
Did you not read about the Han maniacs who killed even infants with knives?

 

[Edison Chen]

What are you smoking?
Did you not read about the Han maniacs who killed even infants with knives?

Don't harass me again. I hate them. Come on, call your mod and ban me, please.

 

[Developereo]

The lunatic personally attacked me out of the blue. You will have to ask the crazy guy.

You made racist comments and you deserve to be called out on it.

The fact that you don't see your own racism is to your own detriment.

 

[TheTruth]

Better, leave Xinjiang for Uyghur ... Han should not immigrate to Xinjiang anymore and move out ...

Han shouldn't travel to the region that has belonged to them for 2,000 years? How about you get the **** out of Champa?

You made racist comments and you deserve to be called out on it.

The fact that you don't see your own racism is to your own detriment.

Racism? Why aren't other Turks in China causing problems? Why do Uyghur attack everyone who isn't one of them - who is the real racist?