First Block 2 JF-17s under construction in Pakistan

[FunkyGen]

We already have our own 5th gen fighter program named TF-X within coop with Swedish SAAB. currently BAe, Rolls Royce, P&W are called on to offer suitable engines for TF-X. Its likely that either Eurofighter's EJ-2000 or F-35's PW F-135 will be chosen.

Ugh.... for the last time he is Nishan101....!
And yeah, thanks for the brotherly gesture!

 

[Kompromat]

Are you sure Sir?
Global Website - E-CAPTOR Eurofighter E-Scan Radar

So the Typhoon E-Scan radar is called CAESAR, which stands for CAPTOR EASA Radar. So E-Scan should be EASA.

I could be wrong, though the CAPTOR scans in active mode which makes it an AESA radar. According to @pshamim the KLJ7-VII is a passive scan radar on a swashplate which scans electronically (DBS) and it is not an AESA radar. We will know for sure when the images come out.

 

[Bilal.]

Escan is the inbetween of Machanically scanned array and Active Electronically scanned arrays. The dish doesn't move, but relies on digital beam steering instead.

Oh so it's a PESA?!

 

[Bratva]

Oh so it's a PESA?!

No. It's a pulse doppler radar. PESA means, there is an array of T/R units on radar. You could see KLJ-7 pics to see if there are T/R units on it or not.

 

[Bilal.]

No. It's a pulse doppler radar. PESA means, there is an array of T/R units on radar. You could see KLJ-7 pics to see if there are T/R units on it or not.

This description fits PESA: "Aeronaut said: ↑
Escan is the inbetween of Machanically scanned array and Active Electronically scanned arrays. The dish doesn't move, but relies on digital beam steering instead."

Plus PESA/AESA are also pulse dopplers if I am not mistaking.

 

[trident2010]

Great news. Can't wait to see blk 3

 

[Abingdonboy]

What's the logic behind not having a two-seater version? How does the PAF get around this in terms of training for the new inexperienced pilots?

 

[acetophenol]

What's the logic behind not having a two-seater version? How does the PAF get around this in terms of training for the new inexperienced pilots?

Simulators are enough according to them. Also,F-22s also doesn't have a two seater either.

 

[Viper0011.]

Escan is the inbetween of Machanically scanned array and Active Electronically scanned arrays. The dish doesn't move, but relies on digital beam steering instead.

How many modules are we talking Aero? I'd love to find out the number and the GHZ frequency range.

 

[Kompromat]

How many modules are we talking Aero? I'd love to find out the number and the GHZ frequency range.

So far we do not know - we have seen a dish which looks like a swashplate, thats all. In time we will find out details about it, most likely when Block-II is inducted.

@farhan_9909 | Can you pls find that image of KLJ-7VII ?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Simulators are enough according to them. Also,F-22s also doesn't have a two seater either.

I'm aware the F-22 doesn't have a twin seat variant but it is hardly fair to compare the JF-17 to the F-22. Firstly the F-22 is arguably the most advanced fighter on the world, a two seat variant wasn't felt needed because the systems on board meant having a WSO was felt to be redundant as the computers would act as a virtual WSO and those flying the F-22 would already have extensive flying experience on other fighters who had 2 seat variants (F-15/16) as the F-22 is the top end of the USAF fleet. However the Thunder is the low end of the PAF fleet and new pilots from their trainer a/c will go straight onto the Thunder. Simulators can do a lot but not everything, just seems like a rather silly way of saving money- all other 4/4.5 gen a/c have 2 seat trainer variants that are also very useful for strike missions.

 

[Bratva]

I'm aware the F-22 doesn't have a twin seat variant but it is hardly fair to compare the JF-17 to the F-22. Firstly the F-22 is arguably the most advanced fighter on the world, a two seat variant wasn't felt needed because the systems on board meant having a WSO was felt to be redundant as the computers would act as a virtual WSO and those flying the F-22 would already have extensive flying experience on other fighters who had 2 seat variants (F-15/16) as the F-22 is the top end of the USAF fleet. However the Thunder is the low end of the PAF fleet and new pilots from their trainer a/c will go straight onto the Thunder. Simulators can do a lot but not everything, just seems like a rather silly way of saving money- all other 4/4.5 gen a/c have 2 seat trainer variants that are also very useful for strike missions.

Pay attention to those bold lines. Why do you assume JF-17 pilots are rookie and they are not from F-16, F-7pg or Mirage squadrons with considerable flying experience or pilots would not be trained on dual seater F-16 before flying JF-17? That's what F-22 does verbatim


You are wrong about F-22 pilots being seasoned. Initially they were, but in recent years, they are picking pilots directly after they pass out from academy. Last or year before, two pilots who were the brightest bunch to pass from academy were directly assigned to F-22 raptors.



January 28, 2008 (by Jonas Hogg) - Opportunities to train on the F-22 Raptor are highly competitive, and pilots picked to fly the world's premier fighter have been chosen from the ranks after logging years on other airframes -- until now.

Four first lieutenants currently at Luke Air Force Base, Ariz., have been selected as the first "green" Raptor pilots. First lieutenants Austin Skelley, Ryan Shelhorse, Marcus McGinn and Dan Dickinson already have learned fighter fundamentals at Randolph AFB, Texas, and are undergoing further, advanced flight training in two-seat F-16 Fighting Falcons at Luke.

The four that are currently at Luke are going to be what we call an SGTO, Small Group Tryout," Colonel Krumm said. "We're really going to take a good hard look at what the course is and how they respond and how they perform during the time that they're here. We think we've probably got a 95-percent solution. But we know there's probably some things we need to tweak and correct."

The four pilot trainees are undergoing the Raptor Lead-in Course at Luke, where they will familiarize themselves with the F-16. The F-16, like the F-22, has the main control on the pilot's right-hand side as opposed to between the legs as in the F-15. The pilots are learning fighter basics such as air-to-air refueling, night flying and high gravity maneuvers and responses.

"(There is) a lot of experience here from a fighter perspective and an intelligence perspective that's very transferable to the F-22," said Brig. Gen. Noel T. Jones, the 56th Fighter Wing commander.

Eight F-16 flights will be completed during the lead-in course before the students leave for Tyndall.

As the first F-22 basic course, the group will help take an important step toward Air Force-wide integration of the Raptor. In addition to the training squadron at Tyndall, there are only three active F-22 squadrons: the 27th and 94th at Langley AFB, Va., and the 90th at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska.

Tyndall squadron prepares for 'pipeline' Raptor pilots


HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE, N.M., July 30, 2013 – After three years of rigorous training, 25-year-old Air Force 1st Lt. Andrew Van Timmeren, a pilot with the 7th Fighter Squadron here, finally got to climb into the cockpit of an F-22 Raptor -- the world’s most advanced fighter jet -- and take it for a spin.

Air Force 1st Lt. Stephen Renner, another 7th Fighter Squadron pilot, said that when he walked out to an F-22 for the first time, he had to do a “gut check.”

“I knew I was prepared because of my amazing training, but I did feel anxious to fly the F-22 on my own the first time,” he said.

Renner graduated from the Air Force Academy with a degree in astronautical engineering in 2010. The Piedmont, Calif., native said he has wanted to be a pilot for as long as he can remember.

“It has been a long road, but entirely worth it,” he said. “Flying the F-22 is a far-fetched dream come true.”

Van Timmeren and Renner both graduated at the top of their undergraduate pilot training classes. “We were pretty lucky to get F-22 drops, because it doesn’t happen often,” Renner said.

Both lieutenants have spent the past three years enduring the Air Force’s intense pilot training program, which includes hundreds of hours of simulator and training aircraft flying, water survival, austere land survival, and medical evaluations.

The training also includes three flights in an F-16 Fighting Falcon to prove could the pilots can withstand 9 G’s of gravitational force, land a fighter aircraft and complete aerial refueling, Van Timmeren said.

“Flying is a bug I was born with,” he added. “I was just blessed to be able to realize it, and to chase my dream.

Defense.gov News Article: Face of Defense: Pilots’ ‘Pipe Dream’ Comes True in F-22 Cockpit

 

[shaheenmissile]

The newer radar is same as chinese AWACS being used by Pakistan. Beam is electronically steered in one dimension and mechanically in the other.

 

[farhan_9909]

So far we do not know - we have seen a dish which looks like a swashplate, thats all. In time we will find out details about it, most likely when Block-II is inducted.

@farhan_9909 | Can you pls find that image of KLJ-7VII ?



So far we do not know - we have seen a dish which looks like a swashplate, thats all. In time we will find out details about it, most likely when Block-II is inducted.

@farhan_9909 | Can you pls find that image of KLJ-7VII ?

 

[Gryphon]

First Block 2 JF-17s under construction in Pakistan

Alan Warnes, Islamabad - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 June 2014

Production of the first two of 50 Block 2 JF-17s on order by the Pakistan Air Force is now well under way at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra. Source: Alan Warnes

Production of the first two of 50 Block 2 JF-17s on order by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is now well under way at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, with the first expected to fly by the end of the year.

The Block 2 JF-17 has several capability increases over the Block 1s, but the main boost to the PAF as well as to export potential is the installation of an air-to-air refuelling system. One aircraft has been fitted with a refuelling probe, which protrudes from the right side of the fuselage just behind the cockpit, sitting forward of the pilot's position. It is being used for flight trials.

However, this modification will not appear in Block 2 aircraft until midway through the production at the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory (AMF), probably in early 2016, PAF officials said. Coupled with software enhancements, other new features include an upgrade to the avionics system that works around China's Nanjing KLJ-7 radar.

A detail of the refuelling probe on one of the first two Block 2 JF-17s. (Alan Warnes)

As a result, the Block 2s can add the Chinese-designed C-802 anti-ship missile and SD-10A beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile to the Block 1s' existing armoury, which includes Mk 82/84 dumb bombs and the PL-5-EII short-range air-to-air missile. All the Block 1s will eventually be upgraded with the Block 2 improvements.

With an urgent need to export JF-17s, a two-seater will be built in the Block 2 time frame. The PAF had always said that a two-seater is not urgent, but Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt now admits that a dual seater is a necessity. "We realise that it is required, because the air forces interested in buying JF-17 want one," he said.

PAF pilots currently converting to JF-17 are accumulating around 25 hours on a JF-17 simulator operational at Kamra, where one of the two operational squadrons is based. Nearly all the Block 1s have now been delivered to the PAF, which has a current requirement for 150 to replace the ageing F-7P and Mirage III/Vs.

Related article: Myanmar looks to acquire JF-17 aircraft

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First Block 2 JF-17s under construction in Pakistan - IHS Jane's 360


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