Final nod soon for Navy’s advanced stealth frigate

[Penguin]

Its Barak-8 not Barak-2 & Kolkata would posses both.

There is no such thing as Barak-2. There is Barak and Barak-8.

Barak

Barak-8 and Barak-8 ER

Barak-8 is the first, leftmost missile and Barak the last, rightmost missile in this line-up

Barak
Weight 98 kg
Length 2.175 m
Diameter 0.17 m

Barak-8
Weight 275 kg
Length 4.5 m
Diameter 0.54 m

 

[Penguin]

@ penguin

WRT the weight debate on type 45 and Kolkatta Class, since type 45 are more advanced in stealth, would it be correct to say a more stealthy shape makes a ship less weight efficient? (more covered space required for housing more stuff?)

More covered space has more .... space (not nececcarily more stuff in it). Putting metal at an angle might result in inefficiencies in covered space usage for a given volume of space, but I doubt it matters much as greater volume is enclosed. I would think most of the displacement depends on lower hull form and superstructure weight (which may or may not be higher in stealthy ships).

 

[Penguin]

I am sorry, I was referring in the context of anti-shipping capabilities present on a western naval ship and not the Navy as a whole.

I'ld rather not be on the receiving end of 8 late block Harpoons.... ships rarely operate alone, rather they form groups. Nato tends to group around a flattop of some sort, given the package superior striking range (F/A-18E or AV8B+ with Harpoon, Rafale-M plus AM-39 Exocet). Individual European ship would nowadays carry EH101 or NH-90. These can easily carry a new generation of small antiship missiles, such as the 185+ km (100 nm) Norwegian NSM (Penguin successor). Or the shoter range FASGW(H)/ANL, that UK and France are jointly working on
( France OKs Joint Missile Development with UK | Defense News | defensenews.com ).

Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission
Hornet combat radius: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission
Harier II combat radius: 300 nmi (350 mi, 556 km)

Airlaunched Harpoon Range:
AGM-84D (Block 1C): 220 km (120 nmi)
AGM-84E (Block 1E) : 93 km (50 nmi)
AGM-84F (Block 1D): : 315 km (170 nmi)
RGM/AGM-84L (Block 2): 278 km (150 nmi)
AGM-84H/K (Block 1G / Block 1J): 280 km (150 nmi)

AM39 (air-launched)- B2 Mod 2 :Range between 50 and 70 km

 

[Penguin]

But you said US frigate?

Taiwan's (ROC) Advanced Combat System variant of the Oliver Hazard Perry FFG7 class a.k.a. Cheng Kung class

http://www.amiinter.com/samples/taiwan/TW1301.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/taiwan/acs.htm

Displacement: 4,103 long tons (4,169 t) full load
Length: 453 ft (138 m)
Beam: 46.95 ft (14.31 m)
Propulsion: 2 x General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines, 41,000 shp (31 MW); 2 x Auxiliary Propulsion Units, 350 hp (.25 MW)
Speed: over 29 knots (54 km/h)
Complement: 235

Spanish Navantia F-100 frigate
Displacement: 6,400 tons full load[2]
Length: 146.7m[2]
Beam: 18.6m
Draft: 4.75m
Propulsion: CODOG
2 × General Electric LM2500 gas turbines
2 × Caterpillar 3600 diesel engines
Speed: 28.5 knots[2]
Range: 4,500 nm at 18 knots
Complement: 250 (48 officers)

ACS

F100

Both have Gibbs and Cox written all over them....

 

[saumyasupratik]

I'ld rather not be on the receiving end of 8 late block Harpoons.... ships rarely operate alone, rather they form groups. Nato tends to group around a flattop of some sort, given the package superior striking range (F/A-18E or AV8B+ with Harpoon, Rafale-M plus AM-39 Exocet). Individual European ship would nowadays carry EH101 or NH-90. These can easily carry a new generation of small antiship missiles, such as the 185+ km (100 nm) Norwegian NSM (Penguin successor). Or the shoter range FASGW(H)/ANL, that UK and France are jointly working on
( France OKs Joint Missile Development with UK | Defense News | defensenews.com ).

Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission
Hornet combat radius: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission
Harier II combat radius: 300 nmi (350 mi, 556 km)

Airlaunched Harpoon Range:
AGM-84D (Block 1C): 220 km (120 nmi)
AGM-84E (Block 1E) : 93 km (50 nmi)
AGM-84F (Block 1D): : 315 km (170 nmi)
RGM/AGM-84L (Block 2): 278 km (150 nmi)
AGM-84H/K (Block 1G / Block 1J): 280 km (150 nmi)

AM39 (air-launched)- B2 Mod 2 :Range between 50 and 70 km

You wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of 8 Brahmos as well.

Yes, my answer was regarding the P-15 V/S Type 45 and F-100 discussion being done above. The whole discussion going on above is One-on-Ones of Individual ships and not how they would be employed realistically, everyone seems to have missed out on the whole combined warfare approach most Navies have undertaken and have not taken that into consideration here.

The only big Navy with modern Vessels using the NSM is the Royal Norwegian Navy and I am not sure if they are compatible with their RNY's only NH90 is NSM compatible. Most navies are still using the older Penguins. Indian Navy Sea Kings carry Sea Eagles, not the most advanced light anti-shipping missile I agree but this capability is present in our Navy as well.

Here's a better photo of the Barak 8 and Barak 8ER, the other due to bad camera angle seems to imply they both are of the same length which is not true as the Barak 8ER has an added booster.

 

[saumyasupratik]

RGM/AGM-84L (Block 2): 278 km (150 nmi)

Both surface-launched RGM-84L and air-launched AGM-84L having same range is not possible, the air launched variant as a rule will always have the highest range if the amount of fuel is same and dimensions are similar of both the variants. The range I believe is for the air-launched AGM-84L variant.

 

[Manindra]

There is no such thing as Barak-2. There is Barak and Barak-8.

Barak

Barak-8 and Barak-8 ER

Barak-8 is the first, leftmost missile and Barak the last, rightmost missile in this line-up

Barak
Weight 98 kg
Length 2.175 m
Diameter 0.17 m

Barak-8
Weight 275 kg
Length 4.5 m
Diameter 0.54 m

Yes but some people say Barak-2 by mistake instead of Barak-8