Fearing recruitment, India restricts contacts with CIA

[Icewolf]

we know that RAW is not good, but your claim of ISI being the best is some thing that no one will accept. our agency works under the control of the civilian government elected by the people, where as ISI answers to no one and can even topple your government at its will.

That's the point... RAW has to be ordered by the govt to do work.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

how do you know they arent West Bangladeshis?

 

[Icewolf]

In my point ISI is the best organization in the world... No other spy agency can scare 1.2 billion in the world...

 

[illusion8]

no muslim member is a BS,how can he know about details of agents???

and ISI is one of the bloody best,but only in their country...i doubt at capability of ISI beyond their own country..

What has been their biggest success?

Going by the routine terrorist incidences, sectarian violence, number of separatist movements, infiltrations, OBL etc I cannot figure out where does ISI's specialty lie. They have been ineffective in curtailing all this. What other than maintaining Pakistan's internal security is their job?

 

[ashokdeiva]

That's the point... RAW has to be ordered by the govt to do work.

Raw is a government agency and follows the command and protocol, whats wrong in that, and for inteligence gathering i dont see any other state that does not follow this code for inteligence agency except Pakistan where ISI answers to any one

 

[arp2041]

That's the point... RAW has to be ordered by the govt to do work.

If RAW will start doing work than you'll certainly not like it buddy

 

[harpoon]

Raw is a government agency and follows the command and protocol, whats wrong in that, and for inteligence gathering i dont see any other state that does not follow this code for inteligence agency except Pakistan where ISI answers to any one

ISI is answerable to COAS of PA.

 

[Emmie]

Fearing that the CIA might use counter-terrorism meetings to recruit Indian intelligence operatives, New Delhi has restricted agency-to-agency contacts with Washington, says a new book.

Scholar Prem Mahadevan says that unlike the 1970s when India was a virtual socialist state, the hunger for government jobs has fallen considerably since the Indian economy opened up in 1991.

“Today, middle-ranking IB (Intelligence Bureau) and RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) officers are vulnerable to enticement by well-funded foreign intelligence agencies – a factor which has constrained counter-terrorism cooperation post 9/11.”

Mahadevan’s book, “The Politics of Counterterrorism in India” (I.B. Tauris), says the fears are not altogether unfounded.

It reveals that since 2001, there have been at least two cases of penetration of RAW by the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

“Also, at least nine RAW officers have gone abroad without leave since the agency’s creation in 1968. Most defected while posted in Western Europe or North America, in pursuit of a more comfortable lifestyle.

“Subsequent investigations revealed that they had been recruited by Western intelligence agencies prior to their defection and had functioned as agents in place for some time.”

The book says that particularly damaging was the defection of Sikander Lal Malik, a personal aide to RAW chief Rameshwar Nath Kao.

“Malik defected during the 1970s while posted to the US and is alleged to have taken extremely sensitive information with him.”

Although Indian intelligence agencies have committed blunders, the book says, they are also responsible for some spectacular successes.

Despite official sympathy for the Palestinian cause, the agencies prevented anti-Israeli attacks on Indian soil that became common in Europe in the 1970s.

And in the years after the Iranian revolution of 1979, the IB and RAW together rounded up and deported dozens of Iranian and Iraqi terrorists intent on killing each other in India.

The IB, it says, “deserves credit for its successes in neturalising the threat from foreign intelligence agencies”.

It says RAW once tapped the telephone of then Pakistan Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto “but the agency could only hear his end of the conversation and had to guess what the other party was saying”.

The book, however, says infiltrating into jehadi networks has become nearly impossible because of the very low number of Muslims in the Indian intelligence.

“The RAW does not have a single Muslim in its 10,000-strong manpower pool while the IB has a small number of Muslims.

“These operatives did a sterling job of raising new informer networks in Jammu and Kashmir during the 1990s… Despite their performance, the IB and RAW remain averse to employing Muslims, preferring to invest in technical collection.”

Contrary to public knowledge, Indian intelligence agencies have faced budget cuts, the book says.

The RAW budget was slashed by 10 percent when P.V. Narasimha Rao was prime minister, denying it two badly needed reconnaissance aircraft. Also during Rao’s term, a further 20 percent cut hit intelligence operations.

The book accuses then prime minister Morarji Desai of seriously damaging RAW because of his allergy to his predecessor Indira Gandhi, who founded the agency. Desai, it says, forced some of RAW’s “most distinguished officers” into retirement, forced it to stop hiring new recruits, cut its strength by a third, and shut down its offices in Jaipur and Chandigarh.

Because of Desai, RAW’s agent networks inside Pakistan, including those in Pakistani Kashmir, were deactivated “and were never rebuilt”.

“During a conversation with the Pakistani president in 1978, he let slip that RAW had penetrated the Pakistani nuclear plant at Kahuta. The Indian agent on-site was identified and eliminated.”

Fearing recruitment, India restricts contacts with CIA | idrw.org

What!? In secular India there is not even a single Muslim in premier spy agency! Prolly no one worthy to be in out of total 138 million population (as per 2001 census.. In 2012, Muslim population must have been more than 200 million?)

 

[Nassr]

ISI is answerable to COAS of PA.

Dead wrong. As per Pakistan's Constitution and even otherwise, ISI is responsible to the Prime minister and directly reports to him. Many in Pakistan also may not be aware of it.

 

[KingMamba]

no muslim member is a BS,how can he know about details of agents???

and ISI is one of the bloody best,but only in their country...i doubt at capability of ISI beyond their own country..

ISI is active in most if not all Muslim countries. I know they were active in Bosnia for a fact. Also they are probably active in the west albeit at a lower level. In the American drama Burn Notice they credit ISI with being the best intelligence agency in their region.

 

[Darth Vader]

May be it was too dumb to detect the mole inside.

It wasnt Raw thats why

cz Whn U dont have 1 u Cant Find 1

 

[KingMamba]

Dead wrong. As per Pakistan's Constitution and even otherwise, ISI is responsible to the Prime minister and directly reports to him. Many in Pakistan also may not be aware of it.

That is just for show bhai.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

ISI is active in most if not all Muslim countries. I know they were active in Bosnia for a fact.

pretty active.....though not outwardly active to a point it was discussed publicly

they were instrumental in training and arming the mujahideen there, among other roles. Alhamduliillah the campaign paid off.

 

[KingMamba]

What has been their biggest success?

Going by the routine terrorist incidences, sectarian violence, number of separatist movements, infiltrations, OBL etc I cannot figure out where does ISI's specialty lie. They have been ineffective in curtailing all this. What other than maintaining Pakistan's internal security is their job?

IMO their greatest success for going tit for tat against the famed KGB in the 1980s.

pretty active.....though not outwardly active to a point it was discussed publicly

they were instrumental in training and arming the mujahideen there, among other roles. Alhamduliillah the campaign paid off.

Yes I know but most do not know that is the essence of ISI whereas everyone knows that CIA is around nobody can tell for sure if ISI is involved.

 

[Icewolf]

Raw is a government agency and follows the command and protocol, whats wrong in that, and for inteligence gathering i dont see any other state that does not follow this code for inteligence agency except Pakistan where ISI answers to any one

It's a soft intelligence agency. What's the point in that?

Dead wrong. As per Pakistan's Constitution and even otherwise, ISI is responsible to the Prime minister and directly reports to him. Many in Pakistan also may not be aware of it.

I don't even think ISI reports to the PM...