False Flag Chemical Attack In Syria? And Syria: Not a Revolution

[DJ_Viper]

Syria / Russian forces are on right path to protect the civilian and existing government structure

The folks supplying weapons from outside are the main problem

There are times on this forum when I am speechless by seeing the sheer ignorance and lack of care of humans who suffer from time to time in various situations. Today is that time again. I am speechless to see your post.'

I've seen some seriously disturbing videos of people who had no weapons, and nothing to do with this mess, losing their twin kids, wife and the entire family to these bad weapons dropped on them because they weren't for this as@hole but also were NOT fighting anyone. He just roasted so many humans like its flies. It was disturbing enough that I couldn't sleep all night thinking about the little children who were alive one second and gone the next with pain and suffocation. And their father was holding his twins, crying to the world for justice. The father left alive, and other dead lying on the ground, had no uniforms or anything to do with the war or conflict. They were civilians....the citizens of Syria which this SOB is supposed to be protecting. Instead, he is killing them in broad day light by his own air force jets and you and a few others are ignorant enough to side with probably the most terrible thing I've seen in a few years. Sad.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Stop supplying weapons to rouge groups !

Not made in Syria Weapon

These are not necessarily roses or , cheeze puffs , these weapons end up killing civilians and targets equally

Someone is certainly providing weapons of mass destruction all right to rouge groups

 

[DJ_Viper]

Oh its Mr Viper again, the Mr know it all and the person that has had Whisky with Imran Khan.

First of all looks like you didn't even read the first line where i said "This picture sums up what i think about anything that the US or the official western media says". So to answer your retarded question about where i live, I am not in the F..kin US nor did i say that everything about the West is a lie. Secondly, its none of your god damn business where i choose to live.

Finally everything in my post is the truth and has been proved so.

Also the video clips that you are talking about, i will show you later how the previous video clips just like these ones were also staged.

Are you sure you know me? I've never claimed to have any Whiskey with any Khan . Not sure how I can respond to the rest of the post as its probably as delirious as the claim of Whiskey with someone I don't even know.

By the way, I drink all American Beer! Coors, Bud or Miller, you name it, or on and off some Wine. I thought I'd correct you about my drinking habits. Let's not derail the thread?

Russia / China / Syria / Iran 100% correct deal with it

Chinese are not our allies. But I know they won't kill children. Its not in their history. I'll give them respect where its due.

On the rest three, killing children to show bravery? And using weapons on their own citizens? That's real brave. No one outside of Syria has to deal with it. The only one's, are sadly inside Syria and their children are getting killed!

 

[Anaoshak]

From the report:
Appendix 5 deals in detail with the munitions used in the attacks. There are photos of the fragments and drawings and measurements describing the weapons in detail.

The 140mm system (M14) clearly has Cyrillic engraving suggesting that this is indeed a munition of Russian origin. The larger 330mm calibre munition is, as mentioned above, of a type used by Syrian government forces.

in some cases the inspectors were able to make an assessment of the likely trajectory of the rockets and this again seems to corroborate US claims that they came from areas controlled by government forces.

From another report from the UN https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/G17/026/63/PDF/G1702663.pdf?OpenElement

17. Throughout 2016, Syrian air forces launched air strikes using chlorine bombs in eastern Aleppo city. There is no information to support the claim that the Russian military ever used any chemical weapons in the Syrian Arab Republic. While civilians exposed to chlorine may exhibit symptoms similar to those exposed to vesicants, such as sulphur mustard, chlorine gas was identified as the most likely agent in several cases.

Oh so you read the report? That was quick. Took me a while to read it.
Then again, So it's just a coincidence that the images that you posted has BBC in them and shows up here in this article?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24130181
Come on man.

Like i said, read the report itself. You know why?
First of all you'd understand that it wasn't a truly independent and non-biased report. Which is why i told you to read about Hamish de Bretton-Gordon from that first article you wrote.


And in regards to the report as well "The UN chemical inspectors investigation described the size and structure of two rocket delivery systems used and report the direction some of the rockets likely came from. The report doesn’t ascribe blame but present evidence that is damning for Assad. " and it also does so as well for ISIS and other groups that are anti-Assad.

Is there a chance Assad has used chemical weapons? Yes. But the chance of the "Rebels" and ISIS using them is even greater. Whether it be Sarin or Chlorine/Ammonia. All you can do is wait for an independent UN investigation to be launched in regards to the recent attack so that they can see who really is to blame. Which is what was suggested at the UN, that an investigation is launched before blame is pinned of anyone, however that didn't happen and people decided to take thing into their own hands because of a false flag attack.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

More weapons not made in Syria

 

[takeitwithyou]

Oh so you read the report? That was quick. Took me a while to read it.
Then again, So it's just a coincidence that the images that you posted has BBC in them and shows up here in this article?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24130181
Come on man.

Like i said, read the report itself. You know why?
First of all you'd understand that it wasn't a truly independent and non-biased report. Which is why i told you to read about Hamish de Bretton-Gordon from that first article you wrote.


And in regards to the report as well "The UN chemical inspectors investigation described the size and structure of two rocket delivery systems used and report the direction some of the rockets likely came from. The report doesn’t ascribe blame but present evidence that is damning for Assad. " and it also does so as well for ISIS and other groups that are anti-Assad.

Is there a chance Assad has used chemical weapons? Yes. But the chance of the "Rebels" and ISIS using them is even greater. Whether it be Sarin or Chlorine/Ammonia. All you can do is wait for an independent UN investigation to be launched in regards to the recent attack so that they can see who really is to blame. Which is what was suggested at the UN, that an investigation is launched before blame is pinned of anyone, however that didn't happen and people decided to take thing into their own hands because of a false flag attack.

LOL, so two official UN sanctioned investigation are not independent, but Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a chemical weapons adviser to NGOs working in Syria is more credible.

the guy has chemical weapons in violation of chemical weapons treaty = your reaction_ so what
The guy is called out in two UN sanctioned investigations are using Chemical weapons on his people = you say, bias investigation
But someone who is an adviser to NGOs is the definitive authority
BBC posted an image from the report= omg you used article from BBC

Awesome!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Fail to see difference in death by a TOW missile or bombs vs any gas death , in end it is Syrians who die and outsiders should not be sending weapons for their "Political" liking on leader for Syrian people

 

[T-Rex]

So just yesterday so many children were killed by the Syrian forces run by this inhumane as$hole Assad. So you don't think he's killed them? There were parents who lost their little children in that attack, pleading to the UN and the US to come save the remainder of these innocent civilians on tv, social media and on various Arab and non-Arab news channels. Some recorded the Syrian military's jets dropping these bombs.

So many children couldn't even get to an age to go to school. Instead, they perished due to a dictator's wish!! What part of the world do you live on where humanity doesn't exist?? And here you are telling people how "everything is cool"!

He lives in a Shiite village where gassing children of the Syrian rebels is considered as an act of jihaad.

This picture sums up what i think about anything that the US or the official western media says

Also do you remember this testimony of the Kuwati girl that was later found to be fake.

And then the famous Colin Powell speech that also later turned out to be a lie

We also know how the US "accidentally" dropped weapons to ISIS.

This is also not the first time that the US and British media has faked Chemical attack in Syria. Just google it and you will find loads of articles and videos.

Also why would Asad drop chemical bombs on its own civilian population? what would he achieve by doing that? Who would benefit from a chemical attack on civilians in Syria?

Think logically and you will understand what is happening and who is behind all this.

Those were under different administrations. I think we should support when somebody does something right even for the wrong reason.

Syria / Russian forces are on right path to protect the civilian and existing government structure

The folks supplying weapons from outside are the main problem


Hero Syrian Forces

Real Heros protect their civialians not carrry that other flag and borrow missiles and guns from outside forces, becasue some outsider feels your leader is not good for your country

The despot is so popular yet he is petrified of free and fair elections.

 

[Anaoshak]

LOL, so two official UN sanctioned investigation are not independent, but Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a chemical weapons adviser to NGOs working in Syria is more credible.

the guy has chemical weapons in violation of chemical weapons treaty = your reaction_ so what
The guy is called out in two UN sanctioned investigations are using Chemical weapons on his people = you say, bias investigation
But someone who is an adviser to NGOs is the definitive authority
BBC posted an image from the report= omg you used article from BBC

Awesome!

What the hell are you on about?
Damn,you are more lost than one would think. I'll caps it so that you can understand...
This is the link you posted,

UN proves Assad regime dropped chemical bombs on civilians

And Hamish de Bretton-Gordon NAME IS IN THIS ARTICLE YOUUUUUU POSTED AND I WROTE THAT HE ISN'T CREDIBLE. I said Carla Del Ponte, member of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic which was set up by the UN is credible. Hamish de Bretton-Gordon is not. I suggest you actually read the articles you post instead of just posting them based on the title. And then look up the sources. Those 2 investigations you are talking about are made by the same people. It's not 2 separate groups that did them.

No, I'm saying non independent UN Sanctioned investigations are biased. Independent ones aren't.
The UN people who did the report you are reading about in the MSM, didn't even send people to the ground to collect samples. I've been suggesting you actually read the report, but you aren't and haven't. A Sheep's gonna sheep.

As i said, there are some evidence that Assad has used Chemical weapons and I'm more than happy to say i Agree but the evidence against the "Rebels and ISIS" stack a lot higher. And it's more likely that they have used it, both Clorine/Ammonia and Sarin.

He lives in a Shiite village where gassing children of the Syrian rebels is considered as an act of jihaad.



Those were under different administrations. I think we should support when somebody does something right even for the wrong reason.



The despot is so popular yet he is petrified of free and fair elections.

If i remember correctly, He actually does want free and fair elections, they even offered it and suggested it be under UN Supervision. That's one of the things that he offered and Russia and others said as well lately. However the "rebels" don't want a free and fair election and so doesn't the west. That's why they had the "Assad must go" rhetoric all this time. Because if there was a free and fair election that was UN supervised, and whoever is allowed to enter, including Assad, there is a good chance he'll win. A pretty good one actually.

I think the Syrian people should be allowed to choose whoever they want. And the other groups will have to accept it.

 

[T-Rex]

If i remember correctly, He actually does want free and fair elections, they even offered it and suggested it be under UN Supervision. That's one of the things that he offered and Russia and others said as well lately. However the "rebels" don't want a free and fair election and so doesn't the west. That's why they had the "Assad must go" rhetoric all this time. Because if there was a free and fair election that was UN supervised, and whoever is allowed to enter, including Assad, there is a good chance he'll win. A pretty good one actually.

As far as I remember he never agreed to an interim administration organizing the election and it means he never agreed to a free and fair election.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Bro you have to wait for investigations. Last time we pointed fingers on Assad for the chemical attacks earlier and it seemed that was not true.

As late as October 2016, the UN found Assad guilty of chemical attacks,
so guilty he is, regardless of outcome of any investigation of the latest attack.

 

[Anaoshak]

As far as I remember he never agreed to an interim administration organizing the election and it means he never agreed to a free and fair election.

Now you are talking about 2 different things. Yes, he hasn't agreed to an interim administration or to give up power unless the Syrian people vote for him to do so and i understand why, I wouldn't hand over power either with the types of groups acting in Syria at the moment. Which you can even tell by looking at the recent discussions done in Geneva, The government delegation sought to focus on counter-terrorism while the opposition sought to focus on political transition.

However, you said that he doesn't want free and fair elections and that he doesn't allow it. And i pointed out that he did agree to holding UN supervised elections that are to be free and fair. He did that. And if the Syrian people would vote to have him gone, he would leave. That's what he said, and I'll quote it,
"Assad said he would step aside if voted out of power in an election - something he has said in the past.

"If the Syrian people choose another president, I would not have to decide to step down, I will be out of this position," he said in the interview published on Tuesday.""
And all his allies said the same thing. It's up to the Syrian people to decide.

And that's the problem. Because he would most likely run and a lot of Syrians would vote for him and there would be a chance of him winning. And that's why they want him gone in any future type of government, rather than voting him out.

 

[T-Rex]

Now you are talking about 2 different things. Yes, he hasn't agreed to an interim administration or to give up power unless the Syrian people vote for him to do so and i understand why, I wouldn't hand over power either with the types of groups acting in Syria at the moment. Which you can even tell by looking at the recent discussions done in Geneva, The government delegation sought to focus on counter-terrorism while the opposition sought to focus on political transition.

However, you said that he doesn't want free and fair elections and that he doesn't allow it. And i pointed out that he did agree to holding UN supervised elections that are to be free and fair. He did that. And if the Syrian people would vote to have him gone, he would leave. That's what he said, and I'll quote it,
"Assad said he would step aside if voted out of power in an election - something he has said in the past.

"If the Syrian people choose another president, I would not have to decide to step down, I will be out of this position," he said in the interview published on Tuesday.""
And all his allies said the same thing. It's up to the Syrian people to decide.

And that's the problem. Because he would most likely run and a lot of Syrians would vote for him and there would be a chance of him winning. And that's why they want him gone in any future type of government, rather than voting him out.

Even you admit that the thug wanted an election under his rule. This kind of so-called elections are held in NK too. So, stop barking, will you?

 

[Anaoshak]

Even you admit that the thug wanted an election under his rule. This kind of so-called elections are held in NK too. So, stop barking, will you?

What the hell are you on about? North Korea has offered to do UN Supervised free elections and Kim has announced he would step down if the votes are against him?
No. They haven't. And you know it. I don't know if you are being a troll or if you are seriously this delusional.

Stop making so many excuses and face the reality.
Assad has offered to step down if the Syrian people vote for it, under a UN supervised election which would make it free and fair as it would be impossible to rig an election like that. He didn't say that he would supervise it, but that the UN would get to supervise it.
And people say no to that , because they know that he would likely win, even in a fair and free election.

The Syrian people should get to decide who's gonna run their country. All of the Syrian people, and not just the Jabhat Al Nusra/Al-Qaeda friendly ones. And whoever wins an election, the opposing side will have to accept it and deal with it.

 

[raptor22]

Even you admit that the thug wanted an election under his rule. This kind of so-called elections are held in NK too. So, stop barking, will you?

And still Saudi, Qatar , Jordan and many other countries in the region have no election and are ruled by kings and people have no role in them ... besides Saudi and Qatar even don't have constitution to start with let alone election ..
By the way if you really think Assad is hated by Syrians and they despise him that much then a free and fair election under UN supervised as he asked for it, as Iran asked for it for years as every sensible person would ask for it could put an end to his era once for all.