F-22 Raptor for India?

[Guynextdoor2]

Sure they'll get the Raptor, but only like this:

That's half of the 525th Fighter Squadron's F-22s deployed at Yokota Air Base.

If the necessity arises, wont it be too late? Can they be quickly sold, produced and deployed? If, with tensions already high and japan already firmly a US ally, it isn't the right conditions or time to sell japan the F-22, then when is?

Does it occur to you that the Raptor is almost 20 years old now? It is not as strategically differentiated as before. In fact the very problem with American armed forces is that the technological gap it enjoyed with the rest of the world has diminished extensively. The FBW with F 16, RAM with Raptor or Spirit etc. are no longer US preserves. Any drone the US can build, most european and chinese can build.

 

[jetray]

Sure they'll get the Raptor, but only like this:

That's half of the 525th Fighter Squadron's F-22s deployed at Yokota Air Base.

If the necessity arises, wont it be too late? Can they be quickly sold, produced and deployed? If, with tensions already high and japan already firmly a US ally, it isn't the right conditions or time to sell japan the F-22, then when is?

Well during cold war if US could sell pakistan f-16 I dont see any reason why they wont sell f-22 to India.
Given that US is looking to adopt f-35 in future , f-22 will certainly merit sale to allies. US gets to make some money and lock some stupid allies into its weapons eco-system.

Now the question we need to ask is that whether it will come with all the bells and whistles that US air force gets ? Certainly not, it will be dumbed down version and will be comparable with what is available in the market with few extras thrown in to make it attractive. Given americas penchant to impose sanctions , India should stay away from buying aircraft instead only aim for engine technology which might be a hard bargain.

Does it occur to you that the Raptor is almost 20 years old now? It is not as strategically differentiated as before. In fact the very problem with American armed forces is that the technological gap it enjoyed with the rest of the world has diminished extensively.

Exactly, its no longer elite now so why not throw it into market and make some money before the shine fades away.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

me kahin sapna to ni dekh rha

Bhaijaan....ye sapne me dekha aapne....we don't need raptors to make things just as bad for 'birder mulk'

 

[PoKeMon]

Let us eat grass and buy Raptor !!!

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Why do people forget that 'Raptorski' is entering the IAF. So why should Raptor being pitched to India be such a big surprise?

everyone knows we're building a 5th gen fleet

 

[rockstar08]

Why do people forget that 'Raptorski' is entering the IAF. So why should Raptor being pitched to India be such a big surprise?

everyone knows we're building a 5th gen fleet

damn that second pic is so sexy

 

[Srinivas]

Wait... so the CEO of Boeing is going to sell a Lockheed Martin product under the auspice of Make in India. Boeing makes subsystems for the F-22, like training equipment and parts of the wings, It's an LM airframe and design though:

Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor and was responsible for the majority of the airframe, weapon systems, and final assembly of the F-22, while program partner Boeing provided the wings, aft fuselage, avionics integration, and training systems.

Boeing can't do sh*t without LM and the US congresses approval - which has been reluctant to even provide the F-22 to Japan.

Cool, now would anyone like my neighbors car?

They can/will sell their products like F22, F22 is late nighties technology and 15 years has passed and they moved to new technologies.

India has its own 5th gen fighter program called AMCA, this is easier to maintain and comes at cheaper cost.

They are establishing R&D facilities here in India, India is a cheaper place to do research.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

i wish a more hypothetical situation analysis.
Suppose India gets Rafales in good numbers, FGFA just 60 and out of the blue with very remote probability F22 100 in numbers... Imagine IN also getting Rafale M and say F35 too.

What should be PAF/PN response?

@MastanKhan
Sir, i am sure this situation wont happen. But imagine if India signs the 3 agreements of LSA, CISMOA, BECA and gives USA abase permanently and in return gets these goodies like F22/35 and EMALs tech/ E2D Hawkeye etc etc.. all top of the line tech and extract a good price for some and some on pretext of military aid for base accommodation.

Even if its preposterous, lets suppose for a moment we firmly moved to western camp and supported by USA, France, UK and Germany... Normal cordial relationship with Russia but a much lesser extent from earlier USSR era relationship.

Such a heightened threat scenario of course will have imbalance effect but suppose all this is to make India as a puppet to take on China theme..

What do you think PAF/PN and GOP response should be? Do you think if you have free time, you could share an article on this.. It could be a good read and a good place to exchange and debate multiple points...

Thanks in advance.

 

[C130]

Why do people forget that 'Raptorski' is entering the IAF. So why should Raptor being pitched to India be such a big surprise?

everyone knows we're building a 5th gen fleet

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...-learn-that-stealth-warplanes-are-hard-to-do/

and India doesn't need the F-22 when you got AMCA in the works as well

 

[Guynextdoor2]

i wish a more hypothetical situation analysis.
Suppose India gets Rafales in good numbers, FGFA just 60 and out of the blue with very remote probability F22 100 in numbers... Imagine IN also getting Rafale M and say F35 too.

What should be PAF/PN response?

@MastanKhan
Sir, i am sure this situation wont happen. But imagine if India signs the 3 agreements of LSA, CISMOA, BECA and gives USA abase permanently and in return gets these goodies like F22/35 and EMALs tech/ E2D Hawkeye etc etc.. all top of the line tech and extract a good price for some and some on pretext of military aid for base accommodation.

Even if its preposterous, lets suppose for a moment we firmly moved to western camp and supported by USA, France, UK and Germany... Normal cordial relationship with Russia but a much lesser extent from earlier USSR era relationship.

Such a heightened threat scenario of course will have imbalance effect but suppose all this is to make India as a puppet to take on China theme..

What do you think PAF/PN and GOP response should be? Do you think if you have free time, you could share an article on this.. It could be a good read and a good place to exchange and debate multiple points...

Thanks in advance.

What do you think PAF/PN and GOP response should be?

They won't have to respond. The thing has a habit of blowing a hole the size of half the galaxy in whichever economy it ends up in. In 3 to 4 years we'd all be living on the streets and they'd be laughing their guts out.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-deba...-learn-that-stealth-warplanes-are-hard-to-do/

and India doesn't need the F-22 when you got AMCA in the works as well

Pak Fa and Raptor are the two heavy class fighters in the 5th gen fray. Arguably Pak Fa controversies have been a lot less than Raptor's. And we committed to the russians early on. Unlike the general perception, when products are great the deals are much smoother. Like the Su 30 MKI, the Pak Fa got a cleaner commitment and can see expenditures of unto $ 25 billion without any competing products considered at all. Unlike the Rafale.

And AMCA will be the mid range fighters that'll replace Rafale.

 

[Kompromat]

Boeing makes F-22 Raptor? - Hell that's a news

 

[Guynextdoor2]

@C130 any delay in Pak Fa is actually not a big problem for IAF right now. For our immediate threat requirements 5th gen jets are quite some time away. The chinese are even behind the russians with J 20. Pakistan is...well...Pakistan. So we can wait for some time.

 

[C130]

What do you think PAF/PN and GOP response should be?

They won't have to respond. The thing has a habit of blowing a hole the size of half the galaxy in whichever economy it ends up in. In 3 to 4 years we'd all be living on the streets and they'd be laughing their guts out.



Pak Fa and Raptor are the two heavy class fighters in the 5th gen fray. Arguably Pak Fa controversies have been a lot less than Raptor's. And we committed to the russians early on. Unlike the general perception, when products are great the deals are much smoother. Like the Su 30 MKI, the Pak Fa got a cleaner commitment and can see expenditures of unto $ 25 billion without any competing products considered at all. Unlike the Rafale.

And AMCA will be the mid range fighters that'll replace Rafale.

Pak Fa/FGFA is in trouble. the fact both countries are reducing orders for it proves that.

F-22 though expensive and a hangar queen would still mop the floor against any upcoming fifth gen fighter is also a fact.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Pak Fa/FGFA is in trouble. the fact both countries are reducing orders for it proves that.

F-22 though expensive and a hangar queen would still mop the floor against any upcoming fifth gen fighter is also a fact.

That's why I put the second post (below). Sure there will be delays but the Russians will do it.

Any delay in Pak Fa is actually not a big problem for IAF right now. For our immediate threat requirements 5th gen jets are quite some time away. The chinese are even behind the russians with J 20. Pakistan is...well...Pakistan. So we can wait for some time.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/f-22-raptor-for-india.420626/page-3#ixzz3z8WZxERR

 

[Hyperion]

Yes yes. Why not. With Modi-Baker ejection seats. All MADE IN INDIA!