F-22 Priced at $290 Million Each for Japan

[Mig-29]

lol, you mean like India did with the Su-35?

Su-35??? ,India does not have that platform , it is Su-30mki customized version with french and Israeli avionics.

 

[Thomas]

Su-35??? ,India does not have that platform , it is Su-30mki customized version with french and Israeli avionics.

You are right....I got the 35 and 30 mixed up. Russia has however offered the 35 to India. We will see if they take it.

 

[Super Falcon]

again china will beat japan all hands up if even they get f 22

 

[tharkee]

again china will beat japan all hands up if even they get f 22

Do you know why congress killed the f22, it was wayy too advanced for any thing even the russians could throw at it, and you seriously believe china with its cheap copies of russian planes could come close....now i seriously think you are high.

 

[Thomas]

again china will beat japan all hands up if even they get f 22

Are you saying China has plans to fight Japan? Japan is more concerned with N. Korea and Russia then they are China. Do they have a reason to be concerned over China?

 

[Interceptor]

If japs get F22, then it would be easy for them to beat the crap out of N.Koreans just incase a war broke out. However, $290 million does sounds like too much money to me!

But do you get what your paying for. Complete satisfaction.

 

[zombie]

Why does Japan need F-22 when F-35 will do just fine and is available for export?

 

[applesauce]

Are you saying China has plans to fight Japan? Japan is more concerned with N. Korea and Russia then they are China. Do they have a reason to be concerned over China?

yea right now they are very concerned with north korea but you cant say they're not concern about china just listen to all their talk about tansperency, chinese military spending, blab, blab. do they have a reason? well that depends on who u ask

 

[Mig-29]

Japan hangs on to F-22 fighter hopes

Japan will continue to collect information on the U.S. F-22 fighter jet as a candidate to succeed its aging F-4EJ fighter fleet, a Defense Ministry spokesman said Friday, despite the U.S. House of Representatives’ decision to ditch funding for the aircraft. Katashi Toyota, press secretary for the ministry, said at a press conference that Tokyo ‘‘does not necessarily give up’’ on its plan to study acquisition of the F-22 fighter as one of six candidate models. The U.S. chamber passed a defense spending bill Thursday that scuttled the F-22 program.Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura said earlier in the day that Tokyo should consider ‘‘an alternative plan,’’ but Toyota said his remarks do not indicate that Japan will stop exploring the option of purchasing the F-22. ‘‘We recognize the F-22 as one of the world’s most advanced aircraft and will continue to gather information on it as well as on other candidate models,’’ Toyota said.
Tokyo has been eager to purchase the F-22, among other models, as its next-generation mainstay fighter aircraft in light of the stealth jet’s ability to evade radar detection.But export of the F-22 is currently prohibited under U.S. law, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates in April proposed halting production of the fighter jet.Under Gates’ proposal, production of the F-22 would be halted at 187 planes. The Pentagon instead wants to produce 500 of the more modern F-35 aircraft over the next five years and 2,400 over time.The five other models being studied by Japan are the F/A-18 and F-15FX of the United States, the F-35, now being developed by the United States, Britain and others, the Eurofighter, made by a consortium of European manufacturers, and the Rafale of France. Only the F-22 and F-35 are stealth fighters.Japan requested information on the six models from their manufacturers and others in March 2006 and has since obtained some information on all but the F-22. It has delayed selecting a model as the U.S. ban on F-22 exports continues.

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/07/japan-hangs-on-to-f-22-fighter-hopes.html

 

[Tang0]

It is US who introduced the world to 'stealth'. It is US who demonstrated that it is possible to operationally deploy two distinct methods of RCS reduction -- angled faceting and exploiting the 'creeping wave' effect with curved surfaces.

True, but a bit of a misrepresentation, give credit where it is due:

"Ironically, given the Soviet Union's failure to exploit stealth technology, the key breakthrough in developing a stealth airplane came from theoretical studies by Pytor Ufimtsev, the chief scientist at the Moscow Institute of Radio Engineering. Ufimtsev's conclusions, published in the West, were studied by Lockheed engineer Denys Overholser, who recognized that they enabled the systematic analysis of an aircraft's shape to assess its radar reflectivity. Overholser discussed his findings with Ben R. Rich, the chief of Lockheed's famed “Skunk Works” advanced development team."

The soviets just didn't have the computer power available to run the algorithms to find the optimized shapes. Of course, even if they did, they didn't have the precision machining or material science expertise to make the plane they designed, so it is a bit of a moot point.

If that engineer had the computer time, and the soviets more money, things might have turned out differently.

Stealth Aircraft - History of Stealth Aircraft | Encyclopedia.com: Oxford Companion to American Military History

 

[Super Falcon]

did congress pass the sell of raptor to japan

 

[eastwatch]

Japan would be better of developing its own stealth plane (which its only half-committed to). Or better yet join hands with China. Japan is warming up with her Asian brothers and sisters, only a few idiots are left in power. If only Japan realized the stupidity of her actions, the nation will prosper so much more!

I've noticed they've slowly smartening up, but too little too late it seems!

Usually, it is the Chinese who starts ringing alarm bells throughout Asia whenever Japan tries to build up its forces. I think there is little possibility that Japan and China will cooperate with each other in the matter of defence. Simply speaking, they do not have a common enemy.

 

[Developereo]

Do you know why congress killed the f22, it was wayy too advanced for any thing even the russians could throw at it,

Wrong.

F-22 was canned because the Pentagon could not justify the cost of acquiring an aircraft that had been utterly useless in Iraq and Afghanistan. The decision had ZIP to do with Russian technology.

The US military already has enough F-22 that it does not need any more of these expensive birds.

 

[Thomas]

True, but a bit of a misrepresentation, give credit where it is due:

"Ironically, given the Soviet Union's failure to exploit stealth technology, the key breakthrough in developing a stealth airplane came from theoretical studies by Pytor Ufimtsev, the chief scientist at the Moscow Institute of Radio Engineering. Ufimtsev's conclusions, published in the West, were studied by Lockheed engineer Denys Overholser, who recognized that they enabled the systematic analysis of an aircraft's shape to assess its radar reflectivity. Overholser discussed his findings with Ben R. Rich, the chief of Lockheed's famed “Skunk Works” advanced development team."

The soviets just didn't have the computer power available to run the algorithms to find the optimized shapes. Of course, even if they did, they didn't have the precision machining or material science expertise to make the plane they designed, so it is a bit of a moot point.

If that engineer had the computer time, and the soviets more money, things might have turned out differently.

Stealth Aircraft - History of Stealth Aircraft | Encyclopedia.com: Oxford Companion to American Military History

this is where my understanding of U.S. stealth technology evolved from

 

[Developereo]

Oh i didn't know that, the lack of any visible progress by Pakistan in the nuclear field compared to India till 1974 made me assume, the absence of any program. Thanks for the info. Yes Dr Abdus Salam does ring a bell, he won the Noble Prize, didn't he??

Pakistan didn't make progress on the nuke in the 60s because it was not a priority.

After India went nuclear in 1974, then Pakistan shifted its priorities and devoted more resources to the nuke program.

Remember, just because we didn't test a nuke until 1998 doesn't mean we didn't have it. There was just no point announcing it until we had to. It was only in response to India's second test that we disclosed our nuclear capabilities.