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F-16 Becomes a Target Drone.

It just shows HOW FAR AHEAD THE USA and its best NATO allies are of Most Asian Air forces.

To think the PAF believe the F16 to be their standard bearer YET THE AMERICANS will use them has cannon training.

Incredible situation.

Inshort today the F16 is to USA wat MIG21 is to INDIANS or MIG19s/A5s to PAF



F-15s and F-16s In USAF are not even the best or the latest variants in the world. heck even PAF will get a better and a new variant of F-16 then currently in use by USAF. IDAF main front line fighter is still F-16 which is probably advance then MKI in some aspect which i dont even have to mention.
 
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This post is Pathetic Growler " F-15s and F-16s In USAF are not even the best or the latest variants in the world "

F15 Silent Eagle is the best and most improved F15 in the world.

F16 in USA all carry AESA as standards all other fighters globally supplied by USA have down graded missles & radars.

F16s are bing ditched globally even by small air forces Like Norway belguim Denmark not just USA.

F16s is yerterdays technology thats why in latest Fighter contests Globally F16s always come bottom.

DESPITE THAT FOR PAF its easily the best fightet streets ahead of any F7/MIRAGE ROSE/ THUNDER etc.
 
storm F-15SE is not even in production it is a proposed upgrade of F-15E and lots of goodies..the one you saw was prototype or mock up.

F-16 is not yet ditched need an example? israel air force.
I don't know what standards your talking about so far F-16 is not a dead technology have a look at block 50/52/60.
not all of USAF uses AESA radar as standard..they still uses F-16 block30/32/40/42
have a look at PAF F-16 block 52+ we've received no downgraded missiles or other avionic package certainly when time comes AESA would be waiting for our F-16s.
talking about coming at the bottom F-16 was chosen over F-15 by greece..F-16 was chosen by israel instead of more F-15s..technology they are as good as latest F-15s..
 
A question please kindly answer.

Who constructed Taj mahaal? I mean the labor.
And who ordered it to construct it?

Ahhh growler my old friend and an apprentice of everyone knows WHO!

Always there to talk **** about Indians but does not want to go deep down inside his own PSYCHE - calls Indians haters but look at his posts which are so full of RESPECT for others! Clearly you lack BRAINS!

Anyhow - The most advanced F-16s are the Block 60 with the UAE - As for practice targets - Yes they will be the earlier generations - SO STICK TO THE TOPIC - NO NEED FOR INDIA BASHING HERE.

The point is simple - India will not go in for the F-16 IN or as a matter of fact for the Gripen NG cos they are:

1. Single Engine Birds

2. The paskistani army operates the F-16 and it takes time to get the best out of any platform.

3. Even and F-16 Block 70/IN will not be at par with the Typhoon or the the Raphale as they have higher payloads and India is in a position to get those aircrafts along with a lot of goodies like "UNRESTRICTED USE IN WAR TIME"

4. And then of-course the label of "target practice drones" will definitely not go down well with the INDIAN public and our AF.

As for your question in this post - Ever heard about Vikramaditya - I suggest you go google his name along with Arabia and you will get some answers. Its worth a read!

:coffee:
 
This post is Pathetic Growler " F-15s and F-16s In USAF are not even the best or the latest variants in the world "

F15 Silent Eagle is the best and most improved F15 in the world.

F16 in USA all carry AESA as standards all other fighters globally supplied by USA have down graded missles & radars.

F16s are bing ditched globally even by small air forces Like Norway belguim Denmark not just USA.

F16s is yerterdays technology thats why in latest Fighter contests Globally F16s always come bottom.

DESPITE THAT FOR PAF its easily the best fightet streets ahead of any F7/MIRAGE ROSE/ THUNDER etc.

Silent Eagle is targeted for "EXPORT" market and not a single F-15 SE is in service with USAF other then prototype that they just recently launched. So South Korea and Isreal operates the best version of F-15 at the moment until USAF inducts SE which i dont see it happening.
As for F-16. Only a retard low IQ monkey like you can argue just for the sake of argument that all F-16s in USAF are equipped with AESA radars. You urgently need a brain transplant.

India's abba jaan isreal operates F-16s and they have no plan of ditching it.
 
Boeing wins deal to convert F-16s into aerial targets


By Gareth Jennings

12 March 2010



An unmanned QF-4 aerial target over White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Depleting numbers of QF-4s mean that this role will be taken on by the QF-16 from 2014 (US Air Force)


The US Air Force (USAF) has awarded Boeing a USD69.7 million contract for initial engineering, manufacturing and development work associated with the conversion of retired Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft into aerial targets.

The agreement, announced on 9 March, calls for Boeing engineers and support personnel to convert the F-16s into QF-16s for use as aerial targets by USAF fighters and weapon systems. They will be able to fly either manned or unmanned.

QF-16 design and development work will take place at Boeing's St Louis facility in Missouri. Ground and flight-testing and production will be completed at the company's facility in Cecil Field, Florida.
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Boeing wins deal to convert F-16s into aerial targets

Alas..US agreed that in this modern era of ariel combat..f-16 will be only good for target practice...:rofl::rofl: pity on falcon users..:cheers::cheers:
 
Alas..US agreed that in this modern era of ariel combat..f-16 will be only good for target practice...:rofl::rofl: pity on falcon users..:cheers::cheers:
Actually this means the users of F16 can use it without a pilot. While others are still lacking in technology.
 
Alas..US agreed that in this modern era of ariel combat..f-16 will be only good for target practice...:rofl::rofl: pity on falcon users..:cheers::cheers:

:mod::mod:BHARAT RAKSHAK ALERT!!! :mod::mod:

BYE BYE LEOBERETTA you will surely not be missed!
 
Ahhh growler my old friend and an apprentice of everyone knows WHO!

Always there to talk **** about Indians but does not want to go deep down inside his own PSYCHE - calls Indians haters but look at his posts which are so full of RESPECT for others! Clearly you lack BRAINS!

Anyhow - The most advanced F-16s are the Block 60 with the UAE - As for practice targets - Yes they will be the earlier generations - SO STICK TO THE TOPIC - NO NEED FOR INDIA BASHING HERE.

The point is simple - India will not go in for the F-16 IN or as a matter of fact for the Gripen NG cos they are:

1. Single Engine Birds

2. The paskistani army operates the F-16 and it takes time to get the best out of any platform.

3. Even and F-16 Block 70/IN will not be at par with the Typhoon or the the Raphale as they have higher payloads and India is in a position to get those aircrafts along with a lot of goodies like "UNRESTRICTED USE IN WAR TIME"

4. And then of-course the label of "target practice drones" will definitely not go down well with the INDIAN public and our AF.

As for your question in this post - Ever heard about Vikramaditya - I suggest you go google his name along with Arabia and you will get some answers. Its worth a read!

:coffee:

Being a Drone target doesn't change anything, i mean if you have the economy you can use targets made of gold, but it wont change anything.

Block 70 IN vs typhoon is still a question mark.....you can't match the serviceability rate of F-16 , or you may say that the mean time between failure is too high. Plus if you are looking for Payloads then buy pure bomber, like lancer......but if you think of a multi role fighter then the competition is tough in case of technology, between the above mentioned.
 
Being a Drone target doesn't change anything, i mean if you have the economy you can use targets made of gold, but it wont change anything.

Block 70 IN vs typhoon is still a question mark.....you can't match the serviceability rate of F-16 , or you may say that the mean time between failure is too high. Plus if you are looking for Payloads then buy pure bomber, like lancer......but if you think of a multi role fighter then the competition is tough in case of technology, between the above mentioned.

Heard of the Typhoon Tranche 3 with better A2G capabilities

The Raphale is considered to be one of the best in A2G

The theory is simple I don't think a single engine bird will come into the IAF though originally that was the requirement along with good A2G capabilities. The game has changed a lot from then.

As for "Target Practice" remark it was more for argument sake and I don't endorse that view but then again I can't speak on behalf of the Indian Armed Forces or the Indian Public but surely it will have a bearing. Also, you forgot that mastering any platform requires a lot of time in training and PAF already knows this bird so that is another big ? on the possibility of F-16 making it to the final contenders list let alone being chosen as the MRCA for India.

I still hold - F-16 Block 60 MAY be close to the Typhoon T3 and the Raphale with new engines and block 70 may just cut the lead of the latter two by some more points but in no way it will be better than the two.
 
Air Force to convert F-16s to drones, shoot them down


The Air Force will spend some $70 million to convert six aging F-16 into unmanned aircraft to be used as target practice.

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A squadron of aging U.S. Air Force fighter jets will be converted into drones that will be used for friendly fire target practice.


The Lockheed-Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon is the flagship jet of the Thunderbirds, the U.S. Air Force’s precision flying team, and is flown by the Air Force, Air Force Reserves and Air National Guard. But the fighter has been in service since 1979 and early models that are getting long in the tooth are now marching into retirement. They won’t go quietly, though. The Air Force has launched a program to convert many of these F-16s into QF-16 drones that will intentionally be shot down.

The Fighting Falcon is being turned into a clay pigeon that can streak through the sky at a speed in excess of Mach 2, or twice the speed of sound.



Boeing was awarded a $69.7 million contract from the Air Force to convert six F-16s as the first phase of the Q-16 program. Eventually as many as 126 of the sleek fighters will be converted into drones to be used as targets to test newly developed air-to-air weapons and tactics. [Read "7 Unmanned Airborne Warriors."]

The conversion is now underway at the company’s Cecil Field facility in Jacksonville, Fla. The first group of QF-16s will be turned over to the Air Force for testing in June 2012, said Bob Insinna, Boeing’s QF-16 program manager. The QF-16s will replace the current cro of QF-4 drones, which are converted versions of a Vietnam-era warhorse, the F-4 Phantom.

More agile targets

The number of usable F-4s is dwindling and the F-16s are higher performing aircraft that will provide a more realistic testing environment. The QF-16 drones will have the same performance capabilities as the F-16 fighter. The F-16, Insinna told TechNewsDaily, “is smaller, more maneuverable and more difficult to fight against.”

When the F-16s arrive at Boeing’s facility, they are stripped down to remove unneeded parts, including the fighter’s Vulcan six-barrel 20mm cannon. Because the Air Force requires that the QF-16 be able to fly in both manned and unmanned modes, Boeing will modify the flight control system, working in a teaming arrangement with BAE, the original equipment manufacturer for the F-16 flight control system.

Other modifications to the F-16 include installation of a flight termination system that can destroy the drone if it goes out of control, command telemetry systems so the drone can be controlled from the ground and a scoring system to gauge the accuracy of air-to-air missiles fired at the drone.

Transformers

Boeing will convert the six F-16s in a parallel operation that uses a cellular approach much like an assembly line to advance the aircraft through each stage of the conversion process. It will take seven months for each F-16 to be converted into a QF-16.

The final stage in the conversion process is painting parts of the QF-16 a bright orange as a visual aid to signify it is a target drone. Typically, the tail and the tips of the horizontal stabilizers and wing are painted. The orange paint is the only readily apparent visual distinction between the F-16 and its doomed QF-16 derivative.

When the QF-16 is being flown by a pilot aboard it will be used to evaluate tactics and electronic warfare and electronic countermeasures such as radar jamming. Switching over to autonomous operation is “just a flip of a switch,” said Insinna.

The QF-16 may have an active retirement, but it won’t be a long one. A drone on average has an operational lifespan of 50 to 300 hours, he said.


Air Force to convert F-16s to drones, shoot them down - CSMonitor.com
 
Most of these target practicing crafts have reached end of usable life. So they are just recycling them.
 
Conversion complete.

Boeing: On target: F-16 flies with an empty cockpit

As a pilotless F-16 roared into the sky last week at Tyndall Air Force Base, Fla., members of Boeing’s QF-16 team and the U.S. Air Force celebrated.

The flight represented the first unmanned QF-16 Full Scale Aerial Target flight. Put another way, fighter pilots now have an adversary for which to train against that prepares them like never before.

Two U.S. Air Force test pilots in a ground control station at Tydall remotely flew the QF-16, which is a retired F-16 jet modified to be an aerial target. While in the air, the QF-16 mission included a series of simulated maneuvers, reaching supersonic speeds, returning to base and landing, all without a pilot in the cockpit.

"It was a little different to see it without anyone in it, but it was a great flight all the way around,” said U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Ryan Inman, Commander, 82nd Aerial Targets Squadron. “It’s a replication of current, real world situations and aircraft platforms they can shoot as a target. Now we have a 9G capable, highly sustainable aerial target."

Prior to the QF-16, the military used a QF-4 aircraft, which was a modification of the F-4 Phantom, a Vietnam-era fighter The modified QF-16 provides pilots a target that performs closer to many jets flying today.

The QF-16s were all retired aircraft. Boeing retrieved them from Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona and restored them for flight.

Next up, live fire testing moves to Holloman Air Force Base, N.M. The military will ultimately use QF-16s for weapons testing and other aerial training.

So far, Boeing has modified six F-16s into the QF-16 configuration.
 
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