Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

[Frogman]

JF-17 Thunder will toast Egyptian F-16s in most of the fights. Egyptians don't have BVR's on their F-16s.

Wrong on both counts.

 

[shuttler]

The capabilities of JFT is much less than what qatar, kuwait, egypt already have so this aggressive weapon point will not work.

Those Qatar Kuwai Egypt etc aggressive weapons are nato or american made
They will not regard those aggressive weapons as reasons for rejection
Also they (us/nato) provides foreign aid to the region without getting something back.

BUT they will not accept aggressive weapons exported from China/Pakistan and they will claim these weapons will not comply with their system

 

[Turkish-Don]

It is all about politics. Nothing about the quality or marketing efforts.
The americans will block it. Just like their blocking of Turkey's purchase of our HQ-9
It is of great regrets that a successful FC-1/JF-17 is not selling to many other parts of the world.

HQ-9 sale isnt blocked currently we are still going through, there is intense pressure not to acquire it, however we will still proceed after the final negotiations with the company or whoever is selling the HQ-9 is over.

 

[shuttler]

HQ-9 sale isnt blocked currently we are still going through, there is intense pressure not to acquire it, however we will still proceed after the final negotiations with the company or whoever is selling the HQ-9 is over.

that may be just a charade
I am not optimistic about HQ-9 launching in Turkey

 

[MilSpec]

india is already strategically 'contained' in useless gigantic plains, and it is cutt-off from strategic routes and access to Central Asia by Pakistan Military.

We don't need to cut-off india from ..ehm..Bangladesh.

And Bangladesh is a poor nation, they don't deserve JF-17..I say let them have some shitty plane and train..like give them Tejas if that garbage is ready yet after 25 years of development



JF-17 Thunder will toast Egyptian F-16s in most of the fights. Egyptians don't have BVR's on their F-16s.

making fun a poor country... maturity just pours from every pore , doesn't it....

anyways, selling to BN was just a suggestion, if you want to be taken seriously, try to be a little humble... Even if BN is poor, China and Russia takes them seriously, so should pakistan

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Frankly, JF-17 should be targeted to markets that are looking for inexpensive technologies. Those with the money will undoubtedly look to western technologies. JF-17 has not been seen in active combat yet and since JF-17 is the first exportable PAF technology, it's unlikely they'll have a reliable infrastructure to support it. Countries like US, Russia, Germany, France, UK and Japan have been exporting for way too long. They have a massive ecosystem for defense exports.

So I feel we should start with the low hanging fruits - developing African counties, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia, Lebanon and Yemen

I could very well be wrong on these. Please do educate me if I am.

 

[Turkish-Don]

that may be just a charade
I am not optimistic about HQ-9 launching in Turkey

what do you mean ? so you dont (personally) want china to sell it to us? so you are against this?

 

[shuttler]

what do you mean ? so you dont (personally) want china to sell it to us? so you are against this?

Of course not
what I said is I am not seeing Turkey buying HQ-9 in the end

 

[shuttler]

Frankly, JF-17 should be targeted to markets that are looking for inexpensive technologies. Those with the money will undoubtedly look to western technologies. JF-17 has not been seen in active combat yet and since JF-17 is the first exportable PAF technology, it's unlikely they'll have a reliable infrastructure to support it. Countries like US, Russia, Germany, France, UK and Japan have been exporting for way too long. They have a massive ecosystem for defense exports.

So I feel we should start with the low hanging fruits - developing African counties, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malaysia, Lebanon and Yemen

I could very well be wrong on these. Please do educate me if I am.

There is nothing wrong in developing products which suit for the targeted market segments
Principle 101 in Marketing and Product Develpment
and the price has to be all affordable to those who need them

It may take people back to why FC-01 / JF-17 should be developed and at that time the plane is suitable for the market needs, all the Ps are in good compatible shapes

The focused market you've mentioned are perfect fit for selling the aircraft. What I've said and dont mind repeating is politics plays a big part in sales here

 

[flamer84]

Wrong on both counts.

I can't help but laugh man,sry,i've watched you debunk that "egyptian F16's don't have BVR capability" theory so many times in here in the last 6 months that i can't help but wonder how you still have patience for doing it again.

 

[MilSpec]

What did I say wrong? They need some training before getting their hands on big stuff....Give them couple of useless tejas..let them train..and then will can think of giving them superior weapons...

Disregarding you tejas pun, you clearly pointed out their poverty especially when discussing a plane which is touted to be the one of the most inexpensive 4th gen jets....

 

[Frogman]

What BVR weapons F-16s of Egypt carry?

AIM-7M/P. AIM-7M range= 50km+ AIM-7P range is unknown. BVR is 37km or beyond.

I can't help but laugh man,sry,i've watched you debunk that "egyptian F16's don't have BVR capability" theory so many times in here in the last 6 months that i can't help but wonder how you still have patience for doing it again

I have time to spare since I'm on my Christmas break. I'm here to debunk any misconception about the Egyptian Armed Forces (plus any other force) and share my limited knowledge where I can.

 

[MastanKhan]

The capabilities of JFT is much less than what qatar, kuwait, egypt already have so this aggressive weapon point will not work.

Hi,

Egypt do not have quality BVR capable aircraft or any at all for that matter.

 

[Luftwaffe]

AIM-7M/P. AIM-7M range= 50km+ AIM-7P range is unknown. BVR is 37km or beyond.

These uses semi active radar guidance, that is the missile used the radiation produced by the launching aircraft to guide it to the target. The latest generation of BVR missiles use a combination of semi active and active radar which EAF lacks good against tiny poor african nations.

 

[aliaselin]

AIM-7M/P. AIM-7M range= 50km+ AIM-7P range is unknown. BVR is 37km or beyond.



I have time to spare since I'm on my Christmas break. I'm here to debunk any misconception about the Egyptian Armed Forces (plus any other force) and share my limited knowledge where I can.

Nowadays， BVR ability also means using active radar guidance missile, not just a range >37km, wi.So if the F-16 can not use AIM-120, then it can not be regard as with BVR ability