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[MICA]

Still be proud of it, for you are the only muslim nation to have built and made operational a fighter jet completely on your own.
It's always difficult in the start but once the basic skills are mastered then they can be manipulated in any way needed. A vivid example of China is there in front.
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not sure if Troll or .....

 

[Basel]

I will again the same thing

F 16 is a good plane but IAF is a FAR superior force

If you really want more facts here it is

IAF can defeat PAF ; EVEN without putting up a single SU 30 MKI in the battle

IAF can defeat PAF with its Mig 29 and Mirage 2000 and Mig 21 Bison

Just find out the real strength of IAF

Your Day dreaming is good for your enemies, keep it up, btw its not 90s.

Nice for advertising catchlines, technically irrelevant. With AWACS,satellite and anti aircraft missiles India should not be worried about the new shiny expensive toy. Our AWACS will monitor every single take of and landing in pakistan within 70kms from our border. But let them enjoy it just as every other airforce does.

Every western country claims that their weapon or technology is best. Only during the war we will know how good they are. Even the much touted B2 bomber boasting stealth capabilities was shot down by serbia.

Bold part of your post just shows how much knowledge and understanding you have about military issues.

Not really.

Pakistani Airforce is no longer any kind of serious threat for IAF. That ceased to be the case since the 2000's. Even if you stretch it, its a middling sized capability airforce at best.

It is the nuclear weapons that stops India, not PAF or PA.

If you have said it in 90s it would have been valid but after 2000 PAF is totaly a new modern air force and it is updated to make sure that it full fill its primary task i.e. keep Pakistani skies safe and clean and now PAF can do it as it has all assets available to do that in sky and on land.

 

[baqai]

You need a good doctor...!

why put a good doctor in such agony?

 

[Erroroverload]

Don't get so excited, take a deep breath and live in reality. It is you who is nursing imaginary PAF superiority over IAF and a scenario where 70 falcons will shoot down 100 plus flankers from the sky. You pakistanis have a fertile imagination for sure. But you never mentioned HOW it would be possible to achieve the feat. How do the two aircraft fare against each other in payload, range, speed, agility, radar and other avionics. You have not even skimmed over these issues.

You said 70 falcons now you are bringing JFT, SAM, F-7 "etc." into the equation. And PAF has Alladin's magic lamp that they won't suffer any losses even when they go against the flanker, and a 100 flankers at that? Do you even have a goddamed idea of the flanker radar's range? Do you have any idea what the term "tactics" mean? And what will the AWACS be doing, sitting around and surfing facebook?

USA has not attacked North Korea, so north korean fighters are better than USAF F-16s by that logic. India has not attacked pakistan because of nukes. Pakistan is an impoverished country with no future. A nuclear war will only release pakistan from their agony as they embrace the death and destruction. India on the other hand has a lot to loose.

what u think F16 is ,,, ah i know everything about flanker's radar ....dont you know F16 and flanker will see each other about the same time ,,,and F16 BVR's are more lethal than flanker..oh and by the way u forgot about our AWACS as well.

i think u r forgetting that about 62 crore people in india has no toilets ....ahhh ahhhh and u r talking about PAKISTAN.
SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND BUILD SOME TOILETS ....U IDIOT LITTLE INDIAN U.....
and by the way u r right ....its our NUKES who r stopping u from attacking us.
REALITY is reality ,,,it is the way it is...

 

[Last Samuri]

Interesting topic.

Been following all week.

I agree with paf members that f16 is as good as anything in the south Asian skies.

I also agree with the Indians that 350 flankers upgraded mirage2000/mig29 is far too much for 70 odd falcons to handle on their own.

paf will need help to stop a full onslaught especially the mki which has massive operational flexibility in radars, jammers, weapons and range.

the thunder is too immature too light weight to make a difference.

outnumbered the paf needs a trump card to make the decisive difference.

either 60 more block 52
or 60+ j10bs

Pakistanis are dealing with an enemy that has ten times their resources so they can carry on a war far longer.

in an arms race the Indians will bankrupt Pakistan eventually

the falcons are a usa fighter and the issue of spares and maintenance in a war or hostile tensions lasting weeks you will get no help from usa.. the americans have a huge lobby of influential Indians that will mean usa will remain as a peace maker at best.

finally with paf being a defensive force and looking to use flacons and thunders over pak airspace only... the Pakistanis have handed india the element of surprise, dictation of the tactics and size and length of the battle.

Pakistanis cant win an air war with india

but they can lose one.

if the Indians get their tactics right.

 

[Windjammer]

@Stealth

 

[Windjammer]

Interesting topic.

Been following all week.

I agree with paf members that f16 is as good as anything in the south Asian skies.

I also agree with the Indians that 350 flankers upgraded mirage2000/mig29 is far too much for 70 odd falcons to handle on their own.

paf will need help to stop a full onslaught especially the mki which has massive operational flexibility in radars, jammers, weapons and range.

the thunder is too immature too light weight to make a difference.

outnumbered the paf needs a trump card to make the decisive difference.

either 60 more block 52
or 60+ j10bs

Pakistanis are dealing with an enemy that has ten times their resources so they can carry on a war far longer.

in an arms race the Indians will bankrupt Pakistan eventually

the falcons are a usa fighter and the issue of spares and maintenance in a war or hostile tensions lasting weeks you will get no help from usa.. the americans have a huge lobby of influential Indians that will mean usa will remain as a peace maker at best.

finally with paf being a defensive force and looking to use flacons and thunders over pak airspace only... the Pakistanis have handed india the element of surprise, dictation of the tactics and size and length of the battle.

Pakistanis cant win an air war with india

but they can lose one.

if the Indians get their tactics right.

Albeit, you have the right to your opinion, but let me add this, just like PAF will not commit anything more than say six aircraft to each target, the IAF despite it's numerical superiority will not send any more than a squadron against high value targets inside Pakistan. A war between India and Pakistan will not be like a one sided affair like coalition forces attacking Iraq or the Israelis bombing Palestinians. Say India attacks with a mix bag of 20 aircraft, Pakistan will be monitoring the situation through AWACS and other ground based radars, it has modern air defences and BVR capable interceptors, even if 50% of IAF strike force is taken out that will immediately put India on the back foot.
Deploying an aircraft like the SU-30 with a huge RCS, will be risky without first assuring complete air superiority which the IAF will never achieve over the PAF.
@gambit @MastanKhan , your opinion gentlemen will be appreciated.

 

[syedali73]

Deploying an aircraft like the SU-30 with a huge RCS, will be risky without first assuring complete air superiority which the IAF will never achieve over the PAF.
@gambit @MastanKhan , your opinion gentlemen will be appreciated.

Ironically, that is exactly (besides its strike role) what this beast is designed for, to achieve air superiority.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Deploying an aircraft like the SU-30 with a huge RCS, will be risky without first assuring complete air superiority which the IAF will never achieve over the PAF.

MKI is primarily an air superiority fighter.

 

[Windjammer]

MKI is primarily an air superiority fighter.

Yes but that doesn't absolve it from it's big RCS signature.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Yes but that doesn't absolve it from it's big RCS signature.

Any and every aircraft will have a RCS signature, even the raptor has one. How is the RCS signature of MKI going to help PAF?

21st century is age of BVR combat where the concept is see first, shoot first. How is PAF going to lock down and shoot down MKIs without suffering losses?

 

[Windjammer]

Any and every aircraft will have a RCS signature, even the raptor has one. How is the RCS signature of MKI going to help PAF?

21st century is age of BVR combat where the concept is see first, shoot first. How is PAF going to lock down and shoot down MKIs without suffering losses?

You have answered your own question with the highlighted part.

 

[Indian Patriot]

You have answered your own question with the highlighted part.

MKI has something called radar which will also enable them to see PAF jets.

 

[Hellfire]

Yes but that doesn't absolve it from it's big RCS signature.

by the analogy you have given, Mig 21s with IAF and their derivatives with you, with BVR upgrades, should be kicking everyone's but$$, isn't it?

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

You have answered your own question with the highlighted part.

Big Radar Su -30 , can even watch when F-16 of PAF start their engines staying inside indian borders and lock and fire missiles...... lol